r/benshapiro • u/American_Streamer "Here's the reality" • Sep 16 '22

@andrewklavan: "Hm. @TheDemocrats did everything to stop Trump from securing the border. Now they're whining that there are illegals moving into their neighborhoods instead of Flyover country. Are Dem voters not disgusted by the hypocrisy and lies? Do they enjoy being treated like idiots?" Other Daily Wire Members

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u/American_Streamer "Here's the reality" Sep 16 '22

It was indeed the big failure of the Trump administration to waste the opportunity of the first years. But I suspect that the old GOP establishment was just so shocked that he got elected and that they did everything to obstruct him to make real changes. Today, it would be different, as the old GOP neocons are in the minority by now. That's the reason they are all so very afraid of Trump running and winning again, because he now definitely knows how to act swiftly and effectively. I still don't really trust DeSantis to be as transformative as President as Trump would be. If there is too much praise for a candidate from the "old" GOP people, it's kind of fishy, as they might hope to go back to the Pre-Trump status quo. But I still don't really know DeSantis - who knows, maybe he'll really become the "better Trump" if he runs and wins. Fact is that if the GOP goes back to the old, non-populist ways, it will be the doom of the party, leading to its voters to flock to an alternative party or a GOP spin-off etc. Don't count on disappointed GOP voters to just give up on voting at all. They will need a vent, if they are betrayed again, and even a brand new party in the Trumpian spirit will be able to capitalize on this - if the original Donald article isn't available.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '22

Trump didn’t waste his first two years in office, Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan thwarted his efforts! McConnell is just as beholden to the Chinese government as Biden is. Both are compromised. Both have sold Americans out!

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '22

This. This this.

Funny how short people's memories are.

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u/American_Streamer "Here's the reality" Sep 16 '22

Yes, I agree.

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u/DarthRaider523 Sep 16 '22

Trump was offered $20 billion for the wall by Democrats and he refused. Trump has no buy himself to blame for his failure.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/democrats-schumer-trump-border-wall-daca/551288/

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u/Tuhljin Sep 16 '22

What's next, "Republicans are against reducing inflation cuz they are against Biden's inflation reduction act"? "It's in the name, don'tchaknow! That must be what it does!" Maybe "Republicans are against veterans' health care!" because they oppose a bill that also does some very evil accounting tricks that will hurt the country.

Both of those are real, recent examples, and I bet you bought that slop too. The only question is whether it was out of pure gullibility or if you're complicit, thought no doubt that, in general, it's a lot of both.

No honest person with a brain could look at those bills and make your argument.

Edit: But I'm reminded again about who you are. We already knew you are beyond merely dishonest or a troll. You're the guy who gloats about the murder of political opponents.

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u/DarthRaider523 Sep 16 '22

What's next, "Republicans are against reducing inflation cuz they are against Biden's inflation reduction act”?

If you really believe government debt is the primary driver of inflation, you would conclude that Republicans are against reducing inflation because Trump added $7.8 trillion to the debt, which is third-most for a president compared to size of the economy, and most for any president not starting a war.

https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump/amp

"Republicans are against veterans' health care!" because they oppose a bill that also does some very evil accounting tricks that will hurt the country.

There were no evil accounting tricks. If you disagree, feel free to point out the evil budgeting moves, the specific amounts, and what they were spent on. Considering that Republican Senators like Cruz said the same thing but couldn’t point to any spending not being used on veteran healthcare, it sure looks like a bullshit point. Prove me wrong if you can though.

Edit: But I'm reminded again about who you are. We already knew you are beyond merely dishonest or a troll. You're the guy who gloats about the murder of political opponents.

Oh, are you still whining about Babbit? I don’t gloat, but I’m not going to feel sorry for someone killed while trying to storm the Capitol to disrupt a democratic transfer of power by attacking politicians. Do you think you should always feel bad when violent political opponents die? Did you cry when Osama was killed?

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '22

It was Schumer himself that pulled the offer back, due to scathing backlash from his constituents. See here.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/schumer-pulls-back-offer-of-25-billion-for-trumps-wall-as-immigration-fight-continuse Your argument is a straw man. The offer was a gimmick and was never serious. As for your J6 assessment, don’t you listen to your own president? Aren’t you paying attention? He said that we need F15’s to take on the government. The people who went inside the capital on January 6th were “UNARMED”. So it’s ludicrous to continue to believe that “democracy” was in jeopardy. Ashley Babbit was killed by an incompetent bastard, who either randomly discharged his weapon through a window, because he didn’t care, or he intentionally shot an unarmed woman because he wished to kill trump supporters. He is not a hero! He was reckless, and had previously left his sidearm in the bathroom. He should be sued for wrongful death, and held responsible in a civil court.

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u/PabstBlueRobert Sep 16 '22

In the minority? Mcconnell is the GOP Minority Leader in the Senate. Mccarthy is the soon to be Speaker of the House. Every time I see these guys on Fox it's just a swarm of comments about RINOs. And Trump is doing what exactly? Being investigated on a range of things and playing golf and tweeting on Truth Social?

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u/DarthRaider523 Sep 16 '22

But I suspect that the old GOP establishment was just so shocked that he got elected and that they did everything to obstruct him to make real changes. Today, it would be different, as the old GOP neocons are in the minority by now. That's the reason they are all so very afraid of Trump running and winning again, because he now definitely knows how to act swiftly and effectively.

Reminder that Trump was offered $20 billion for his wall by Democrats and he refused. The only person who obstructed Trump on the wall was himself. He had an opportunity to get what he wanted and he blinked. Literally the opposite of swift and effective.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/democrats-schumer-trump-border-wall-daca/551288/

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u/Tuhljin Sep 16 '22

The only person who obstructed Trump on the wall was himself.

No one is stupid enough to believe this, not even you.

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u/DarthRaider523 Sep 16 '22

Trump was offered $20 Billion from Democrats for a wall he estimated at 8-12 Billion. Republicans would have voted for it. Trump said no then later tried to get a similar deal. Who else is to blame if not Trump?