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White House Lashes Out At Republicans Over Student Loan Cancellation; Conservatives Fire Back | The Daily Wire, Aug 26th, 2022 - Attempting to paint Congress Republicans as hypocrites because they took out Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) loans during the COVID pandemic, which were later forgiven. Daily Wire

https://www.dailywire.com/news/white-house-lashes-out-at-republicans-over-student-loan-cancellation-conservatives-fire-back
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u/Eauji87 Aug 27 '22

You’re just bitter because there are people out there looking for a shot at hope and you can’t stand to see them getting the same small breaks afforded to literally every millionaire.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '22

I’m not bitter and certainly not because of your projected talking points that show you don’t even comprehend the positions others have. That only serves you poorly not me. It’s always good to at least understand what others think even if you don’t agree.

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u/Eauji87 Aug 27 '22

This whole side argument is riddled with statements that are polar opposite of the truth. The truth Is student debt forgiveness is only shaving of a fraction of most people’s incurred debt. Folks are still paying the majority of their debt. The majority folks debt are forgiven after 20 years of consecutive payments anyway so, again this forgiveness is a small bit of relief. If you have a problem with it, it’s probably because you’re worried about other people’s business instead of minding your own. If literal billionaires can get bailed out because their own negligence, and folks who don’t actually need PPP loans like Kanye West can get forgiveness, then educated, middle-class Americans can too.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '22

How is the percentage relevant? It’s not. It’s a $10k-$20k handout regardless of their total balance. How many of those were going to pay off their loans with no problem, I.e they don’t “need” It? You know why I care? I am paying for this handout since I pay more than my fair share of taxes. Not to mention I paid a portion of my grad school, am paying for a kid’s college and I’m not forcing you or anyone else to pay my bills. Also, this is very bad policy with far more downsides than upside to society. In fact, more than most policy, the balance of bad effects to good is very heavily titled to bad since there’s very little societal good.

You know how I get relief if I can’t pay my bills - which I do - bankruptcy. Now, right now that is not possible, but instead of creating a moral hazard, handing out money to people making far above US median income, penalizing responsible people who paid their loans or worked their way through school to avoid loans, not to mention encouraging more of the same tuition and fee inflation, why not work to amend bankruptcy law to give an option to those actually in distress without all of the above negatives? Easy: handouts placate the “free stuff” radical base and buys some votes. Let’s hope it puts off more among swing voters if this even survives a court challenge. Don’t spend your windfall yet folks…the court may strike this down.

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u/Eauji87 Aug 27 '22

Double standard, corporations can act unethical and spend “YOUR” tax dollars to get bailed out without much fuss from conservatives, but not those in the middle class. The fact that you see the bankruptcy issues is a step in the right direction and you see that the student loans are by nature predatory. You have no say in how others spend their dollars and they’re not your tax dollars, they’re everyone’s.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '22 edited Aug 27 '22

I don’t even know what your anti-corporate rant means. Is that just canned rhetoric? And yes what’s wrong with bankruptcy? Doesn’t it allow for elevation of real distress? Is that now how other overwhelmed borrowed seek debt relief? Why are student loans different?

We don’t have a say? What do you think elections are for? What about the law? It’s funny how the left demonizes those who pay most taxes but are desperate for a piece of what they earned and then defies these high EARNers to highlight the selfishness and greed of those who want something they did not earn, not to mention their attack on personal responsibility. You don’t seem to have any hesitation on demanding some of others money which truly isn’t yours so why would you decry complaints of those who pay most taxes and more stake in the federal treasury than you do? Such hypocrisy. There’s your double standard. Plus you have no apparent shame as you thrust your hand out instead of living up to your obligations like so many others who took out loans. This is the classic leeching off society in full living color.

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u/Eauji87 Sep 21 '22

Corporate welfare subsidized companies use the largest portion of “your” tax dollars, so maybe you should recognize where you aim your anger.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

“Corporate welfare” is a political talking point that is long on rhetoric and short in analysis.

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u/Eauji87 Sep 22 '22

In fact, corporate welfare is subsidizing the top companies at the moment. Amazon, Walmart. You and I both pay for Bezos’ boat. No analysis necessary.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Again very generic terms that cbs twisted to suit a political agenda. Not interested in that whatsoever. The government isn’t just cutting Bezos checks. And yes, I do contribute to his boat as a customer of the amazing business he’s made. Good for him. He’s improved our lives far more than the government has improved them.

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u/Eauji87 Sep 22 '22

Whether you’re interested or not doesn’t matter. You don’t get to be the judge of ethics when it comes to where we spend our taxes. If Bezos can subsidize his glamorous affair, middle-class professionals have a valid argument to justify slight financial relief. No nagging required.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

I can offer my thoughts irresponsible spending of our tax dollars all I want. And millions of us will speak on that in November. Sorry, but your left wing utopia where you get to silence all dissent and get your way on everything doesn’t exist. Now go ply you broadly generic rhetoric with someone who doesn’t require analysis and specificity, ie someone else.

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u/Eauji87 Sep 22 '22
  1. No one is attempting to silence anyone.
  2. You asked for analysis, now that’s a bad thing. Make up your mind.
  3. You assume once again that I subscribe to the left without understanding the facts. It’s called empathy, brother. And the world could use more of it.

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u/Eauji87 Sep 22 '22

I don’t ever remember citing CBS. Another assumption on your part

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

CBS is typo for can. And I wonder if you knew that but are just resorting to undercover grammar cop when II can’t offer more than broad politicized generalizations. That’s a fairly standard MO for those who spew politicized talking points.

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u/Eauji87 Sep 22 '22

The IRONY! The man who takes the MOST partisan stand at the moment is throwing stones.

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u/Eauji87 Sep 21 '22

Fallacies all around. My point was simply that tax dollars used for debt forgiveness encourages more spending in the economy. Especially towards real estate, as opposed to sinking it into a company like Sallie Mae who mishandles their operations. Additionally, I never demanded anything, the current government officials just understand the nuanced student debt dilemma.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

If they won’t pay their student loans we better hope they don’t buy real estate. As they sit around unable or unwilling to pay their mortgage, having been taught that Uncle Sam will take care of their finances, they could default and drag down home values for others.

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u/Eauji87 Sep 22 '22

You’re making a ton of assumptions and not so many relevant claims or analysis. If someone is paying for both at the moment currently, then this argument wouldn’t hold ANY water.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

If someone was paying for both right now there goes your argument for a handout.

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u/Eauji87 Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Not necessarily, it could also be an incentive to spend more money and stimulate the economy in other sectors besides real estate and the private sector. In fact, I know quite a few people where this is their reality. Side note: Your use of the term “handout” is problematic at best. If you’ve taken the stance against subsidies, why are you OK with corporate welfare?

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u/Eauji87 Sep 22 '22

If folks truly believe that rising tides lifts all ships, we wouldn’t be debating this at the moment.

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u/Eauji87 Sep 22 '22

Trickledown economics don’t work like they sell it.