r/benshapiro • u/flyawayblue2024 • Jul 29 '22
TikTok idiots claiming Ben is alt right Ben Shapiro
More idiots on tik tok saying Ben is alt right and claiming that if you watch his videos you have begun your “descent” 🙄
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u/123Ark321 Jul 29 '22
As always, if you even think about watching one of Ben’s videos you’ve already “fallen”.
More like you’ve opened your mind to other possibilities.
The left really likes to control information. And if you gain it, you’re evil.
Fuck this guy.
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Jul 29 '22
Yeah I’m on the left more than the right and I watch Ben videos because I want to inform myself on both sides of any issue. Not doing this doesn’t make you alt-right, it just makes you a selective listener
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u/123Ark321 Jul 29 '22
That last bit doesn’t make sense the way it’s written.
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Jul 30 '22
Pretty sure it was understandable, though..
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u/123Ark321 Jul 30 '22
Honestly, I don’t know. I’ve read it and it didn’t make sense, came back read it again, it made sense, read it again later, and it stopped making sense.
I don’t know what it is, but his comment is like a paradox to me.
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Jul 30 '22 edited Jul 30 '22
They used a double negative on accident (when they only needed one) and then accidentally contradicted themselves. The content of the first sentence that doesn't have errors can help you guess what they meant in the second. They meant that watching Ben Shapiro doesn't make you alt+right, and thinking that it does makes you a selective listener. So it could be rewritten to:
Doing this (watching Ben Shapiro) doesn't make you alt-right, but not doing it makes you a selective listener.
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u/123Ark321 Jul 30 '22
Thank you. And I feel like selective listener isn’t the right word.
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Jul 30 '22
Edited my comment to be more clear 😅
Maybe not 🤷🏻♀️ I'm guessing it's referring to selective hearing but with media you choose to turn on rather than who/what you tune out in person.
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u/123Ark321 Jul 30 '22
I think I get it. This feels like one of those times people should just use two sentences.
Watching Ben Shapiro doesn’t make you alt-right.
Not watching Ben Shapiro makes you a selective listener.
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u/Tinctorus Jul 29 '22
I really enjoy watching Ben because he gives the most intelligent arguments and has the best logic of any big name political guys
Plus there's nothing better than watching him put some cocky college kid in their place, they get a bit of new info when they get to college and they think they have all of life's answers
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Jul 29 '22
Yeah he loves to debate people that don’t actually know how to debate. It’s almost exclusively who he debates
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u/Tinctorus Jul 29 '22
😂😂😂 No that's the furthest from the truth, but he does talk alot at universities that ask him and he will debate people who want to
But he doesn't exclusively debate idiots
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Jul 29 '22
There's a Youtube algorithm that recommends content based on who you watch. It can be really annoying at times.
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u/whatscovid Jul 30 '22
That's why I'm here but I gotta say though, my man's Ben lacks serious empathy. (fan boy trigger engaged)
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Jul 29 '22
The thing about it is that Ben gets a lot of attention drawn to him regardless. They think he's a gateway into far right radicalism.
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u/flyawayblue2024 Jul 29 '22
The whole video talks about the “alt right pipeline” and how he got there in an hour by Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate TikTok‘s 🙄
I agree andrew tate is terrible but alt right definitely not
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u/Tinctorus Jul 29 '22
They don't care how they get to call us racists & bigots as long as they get to call us racists & bigots
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u/Tinctorus Jul 29 '22
Since they think this Jewish man is part of an anti semetic group I wonder how many black men he thinks are on the klan...
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Jul 29 '22
It’s not about thought. It’s about YouTube algorithms. So, if you get one of the videos served to you, then you’ve already taken measurable actions online that has identified you as someone who should be served Ben Shapiro content
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Jul 29 '22
He’s Jewish. Did they miss that part?
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u/flyawayblue2024 Jul 29 '22
Comment section is even worse it’s full of people agreeing with this nonsense. And some people claiming that Ben can still be alt right while also being the most attacked person by the alt right
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u/Tinctorus Jul 29 '22
It's terrible to try and have a discussion or argument on that app, 150 character limit makes any type of long winded answer into a multi part novel with 16 posts
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u/nag_some_candy Jul 30 '22
You can be jewish and alt right. It's more about his reactionary views than his religion
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Jul 30 '22
Alt right individuals all hate Jews. I know this may be surprising but part of being an alt right (nazi) is not likening Jews.
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u/nag_some_candy Jul 30 '22
Thats just not true.
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Jul 30 '22
So you don’t know what alt right means? Let me get the definition for ya.
In the U.S., a reactionary wing of the political (n. 7), rejecting traditional conservatism and taking extremist positions as regarding multiculturalism, nationalism, feminism, etc.
See this is called a definition. It defines what words mean.
Taking a position against “multiculturalism” is a direct attack on people like Ben Shapiro because he is Jewish. The alt right does not like anybody that’s not white and Christian.
You are objectively wrong.
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u/nag_some_candy Jul 30 '22
Well the definition of alt right has changed a bit. Do you notice how popular certain black people are among the alt right? Candace Owens for example. She and Ben Shapiro agree on a lot of things. The alt right in general doesn't like jews, I agree, but that doesn't mean exceptions can't be made. The nazis did this as well, sparing certain people even though they were against their race/religion/sexuality.
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Jul 30 '22
No it has not. You think it has changed. It was just recently defined in 2010ish. You’re trying to make a definition to fit a narrative.
Candace owens is not alt right. The political left doesn’t understand definitions or terminology and wants to redefine words so things sound worse than they actually are. It is factually incorrect. Alt right mean ones thing and one thing only and if you talk to real alt right dick heads they will explicitly tell you that.
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u/Aggravating_Wear_838 Jul 30 '22
Right wing grifters have success with this tactic all the time. Have you not seen Dave Rubin, Blaire White, Jesse Lee Peterson and Milo Yiannopoulos?
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Jul 30 '22
Great doesn’t mean they are alt right. Just because they say things pandering to that audience doesn’t mean they are alt right. I have some friends who have family members did serious time that are pretty racist ass holes. They will all tell you they do not give a shit about what these people say they are not alt right or true white nationalists. Therefore they are not alt right.
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Jul 29 '22
Ben Shapiro is one of the alt right's most prominent right wing critics. They've targeted him for his Jewish faith.
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u/aquahawk0905 Jul 29 '22
At this point the only real arguement for him being alt right is that's it's relative to their idea of right and left. Considering Biden...if he were actually alive... is center for them with Bernie and the Squad being left for them.... yeah even JFK would be considered a right wing nut job.
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Jul 29 '22
Indeed. The alt right is further right than Shapiro ideologically. It was founded as an explicit rejection of mainstream conservatism that Shapiro represents. Their compass is out of whack.
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u/flyawayblue2024 Jul 29 '22
Hell at this point even left-leaning people who are civil towards Ben and moderates are called alt right. They call Elon Musk and Joe Rogan alt right
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Jul 29 '22
I am not a big fan of Joe Rogan myself, but I doubt he’s alt right. He’s just more of a conservative.
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u/jaffakree83 Jul 29 '22
I ran into some alt right folks once, and they are really, REALLY not big fans of the jews.
And if someone thinks Ben is a fan of them, they've clearly never heard him speak.
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u/Tanthiel Jul 29 '22
I mean, if all you know about Ben Shapiro is the content posted on this subreddit, you might be excused for having that opinion.
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u/peak82 Jul 29 '22
It's easier to paint your opponents as something they aren't than it is to actually content with their arguments.
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u/Tinctorus Jul 29 '22
It leaves the burden of proof on you to prove you're not what they say you are...
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u/peak82 Jul 30 '22
Not at all. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. If you make an argument, it isn't my responsibility to prove that it's incorrect unless you've actually included a sound argument that your argument is correct. If there is no basis for your argument, I don't have to prove that it's baseless to call bullshit.
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u/Tinctorus Jul 30 '22
I dunno it just feels like on here and life you have to defend your name when someone calls you that
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u/peak82 Jul 30 '22
Sometimes it might feel like that, but should it be that way? It may be respectable to defend your name, but does that mean that the burden of proof should be on the person being accused, especially when the accusation is made on a flimsy basis?
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u/Tinctorus Jul 30 '22
Oh I agree with you, just saying how it is, nobody should have to defend themselves over baseless claims
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u/Prestom07 Jul 29 '22
I thought this sub was supporting him?
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u/flyawayblue2024 Jul 29 '22
it’s is. showing and talking about how the delusional the left is for calling him alt right
this videos was so dumb i had to share
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u/TAC82RollTide Jul 29 '22
Yep. The most Jewish Jew who has ever Jew'd since Moses is an alt-right nazi. 🙄🤦♂️
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u/Brian_Si Jul 29 '22
The media has been on a hardcore propaganda drive for decades. It started with calling conservatives Neo-Cons!, then it switched to calling them Alt-Right!, and then it became Extremist Right-Wing Neo-Nazi White Supremacists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The left does not believe in finding a middle ground. The left wants to impose their sick, diseased, degenerate marxist theology on the world. And they will attack anyone who refuses to get on their knees and worship their holy messiah Karl Marx.
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u/Tanthiel Jul 29 '22 edited Jul 29 '22
Actually, the first people that were called neoconservatives were anti-communist Democrats. Hillary Clinton is technically a neocon. Neocon doesn't mean party.
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u/Tinctorus Jul 29 '22
Don't you dare mention the left jumping parties or ideals changing, they don't like facts
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u/Tinctorus Jul 29 '22
In south Florida today a guy with the last name "Rodriguez" was in a shooting with the cops and the news said this is "caused by white supremacists" how the fuck...
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u/Tinctorus Jul 29 '22
How are you gonna be so stupid as to think this man would be alt right, considering how anti semetic and flat out racist the alt right is I don't see a Jewish man joining up...
These idiots don't seem to understand there's a big difference between being on the right and being alt right
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u/archangel5198 Jul 30 '22
They name anyone to the right of Alexandria Occasional Cortex as "alt right"
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u/Cratzurr Jul 29 '22
So are we just to take your word for it without you linking a video?
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u/flyawayblue2024 Jul 29 '22
Well it is linked in the picture description. might be hard to see because of overlapping text. I also included his username so you could look at account yourself.
But since you didn’t bother to look at the description i’ll link it again here https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRDbWH7y/?k=1
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u/Cratzurr Jul 30 '22
I have literally never seen anybody put a source link in the discription of an image. And it was on only the last one to
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Jul 29 '22
Your post literally said “you can argue whether or not he’s alt right”.
Aka: it’s up for debate.
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u/flyawayblue2024 Jul 29 '22
From the context of the video it’s pretty clear he thinks ben is alt right. He says bens in the beginning of the alt right pipeline 🙄
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Jul 30 '22
Ben is in the beginning of the alt-right pipeline. But if he’s already-right himself if you for debate.
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u/flyawayblue2024 Jul 30 '22
So by that logic all left leaning people support antifa and other extremists groups. Maybe they support communist north korea or soviet russia.
It’s utterly moronic to pretend there is no difference between mainstream conservatism and the alt right. They do not lead into one another. The vast majority of conservatives hate the alt right
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Jul 30 '22 edited Jul 30 '22
The alt-right pipeline is a real thing that you can study.
The pipeline people go down to end up at things like anarchism or communism or anti fascism are real things too.
Ben happens to be at the beginning of the alt-right pipeline because of the way he presents his politics and his rise to fame. It’s sort of like how a lot of leftists went from Jon Stewart to breadtube to getting actively involved in IRL leftist orgs.
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u/flyawayblue2024 Jul 29 '22
Well first he denounces the alt right fairly often, he often speaks out against racist and anti semetic groups that attack him. The same groups that made him the largest target of white supremacist groups on the alt right.
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u/flyawayblue2024 Jul 30 '22
lmao please keeping sharing your delusions it’s quite entertaining
Well i would say he disagrees with their view that the whole civil rights movement and MLK are fraudulent. And by definitions being anti white supremacist and Jewish makes you non alt right. Their main talking point is against Jewish people
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Jul 30 '22
"delusions"
I literally said, that by viewing this subreddit, it would be logical to assume that Ben Shapiro is alt right, and I asked for clarification.
but okay.
Well i would say he disagrees with their view that the whole civil rights movement and MLK are fraudulent. And by definitions being anti white supremacist and Jewish makes you non alt right. Their main talking point is against Jewish people
I mean you are clarifying what I asked while being snarky about it.
But every single answer you have given is that literally the only ideological difference between Ben Shapiro and the definition of alt right is that Ben is not racist like the overt racism that literally defines the difference between him and the alt right, by your statements.
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u/flyawayblue2024 Jul 30 '22
ah yes you said so; therefore, it must be true.
i would staying disagreeing with and being attacked by a group would mean you are not part of it.
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u/understand_world Jul 30 '22
[M] How do you define alt-right and what do you see specifically as bad about them? For 99% of people I feel, alt-right is bad not for clear reasons but because it’s a proxy for fascist or racist.
To claim Ben is alt-right there first has to be a clear definition of what alt-right is. Not saying those don’t exist, but I feel most people who call out others as being alt-Right aren’t focused on what the problem with it really is.
Case in point, the Ben Shapiro bot gives out some supposedly damning quotes showing why Ben is bad news, and a few of them are just him arguing we should have free market capitalism.
Which is not to say there’s no danger in pipelines, but more that for some people it’s all too easy to imagine a person is already there. Alt-right, as “bigot” is in the eye of the beholder and for some the bar is lower than others.
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u/understand_world Jul 30 '22
[M] I guess I struggle with this, because on one hand you have people who are race realist, ultra-nationalist, anti-democracy, unabashed will-to-power, our way or the high way moralists.
And then on the other hand you have:
(in the US) a right-wing ideological movement characterized by a rejection of mainstream politics and by the use of online media to disseminate provocative content, often expressing opposition to racial, religious, or gender equality.
On the surface, I feel I'm all for racial, religious, and gender equality (as well as gender expression). But I find in practice in different places, that bar can be set differently.
When it's set too high (how high is too high?) I think it can be reasonable to do some questioning. When no questioning is allowed, it seems in my mind to broaden the definition of "alt-right" to me.
Based on context, I feel "alt-right" could describe people who would want to take away all my rights personally. Yet if one squints, it could literally describe anyone who might lean right-wing.
Those aren't (or at least I hope they aren't) exactly the same thing.
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u/ImSadUrSoDumb Jul 29 '22
Tiktok idiots claim anyone who disagrees with extremist left is "alt right". I don't think people like this understand what difference between conservatives & "alt right" is thanks to Biden admin & media blurring lines.
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u/Transylvania- Jul 29 '22
Alt?
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u/Daltons_wall Jul 30 '22
The political extremes. So alt right = fascists and nazis and alt left = communists and anarchists
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u/Jerko21 "Here's the reality" Jul 30 '22
Ask anyone who calls Ben "alt-right" what behavior/ideology they constitute as being "alt-right" and they will all give you different answers. Jordan Peterson did an interview where he had to ask for clarification on who the interviewer would define as "alt-right" and she literally said anyone who gets their information/news from alternative media, such as Breitbart or DW.... Leftists are just irredeemabley ignorant.
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u/Pure-Macaroon-3163 Jul 30 '22
Alt right to them is anyone that isnt an old rino that the late night talk shows depict in their characterizations of them. Or at the very least it works to convince young people to avoid a more moderm version of the old rino version. Keeps the bubble walls up. Several steps ahead they are
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u/Undead-Maggot Jul 30 '22
What even is the alt right anymore? They seem to slap that label on anyone, even those slightly right of far left, yes, even some lefty’s get called alt right, that’s how overused it is and shows how willing they are to abolish political opposition
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u/labbond Jul 30 '22
They figure if they say he’s nazi like that they will gain power and everyone else will jump in (with cancel culture) and he will back off. Media Bullying and labels, your right
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u/Keeretiscool Jul 30 '22
Please get out of your parents living room, throw the darn microphone away, and go outside
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u/KwerkyCat Jul 30 '22
Bruh is he using a joke pic of him flexing to prove he’s like toxic-masculinity or smth
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u/OGPushbroom2 Jul 30 '22
Politics always needs a boogeyman….you just have to choose which is the real boogeyman.
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u/President-EIect Jul 31 '22
Why is it that woke and socialist get thrown around to include the most moderate of people but Alt Right doesn't include people who speak at Turning Point rallies or pushing alt right talking points
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u/RadicalCentrist95 Jul 29 '22
Anyone who gets their information about society and politics from TikTok is not a serious person.
I dont care if the creator leans left or right, this applies equally.