Daniel Penny NOT GUILTY

[u/AnakinSkycocker5726]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-daniel-penny-found-not-guilty

[u/Nemisis82]

He punched an elderly woman in the face and fractured the orbit of her eye.

Seems like he should be in jail, not dead.

Then he got on a subway and threatened to kill women and children.

Threats of violence do not warrant death where I come from. Only action. But maybe you think words warrant a death sentence.

The City of New York had ample opportunity to institutionalize this man.

Agreed, seems like a failure.

might have killed someone too.

"Might" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

Am I glad Jordan Neely is dead? No.

Doesn't seem like it.

who failed to help him

How do you know this? Have you ever had to deal with mental illness and addiction before? It's not easy.

The world is safer without him on the streets.

The world is less safe now that vigilante justice was just given a green light.

He was a criminal

This does not warrant death.

I am certain you have this same sentiment for Brian Thompson.

[u/AnakinSkycocker5726 → u/Nemisis82]

I said I’d rather him be in jail. And yes threatening people’s lives is assault and can be charged as making terrorist threats. Multiple people testified that they were in fear of Neely. It’s clear that Penny wasn’t trying to kill him. He clearly did it on accident. He certainly doesn’t deserve to be prosecuted for it. And the jury agreed.

And no Brian Thompson did not deserve to be killed in the street by a shooter who targeted him. He wasn’t threatening anyone’s lives. He was a law abiding citizen, unlike Neely. What a stupid and false comparison.

You seem to be under the impression that people who politically agree with you deserve to live and people who disagree deserve to die. You are a despicable human being, and a perfect illustration of why the left is evil.

[u/Nemisis82 → u/AnakinSkycocker5726]

And yes threatening people’s lives is assault and can be charged as making terrorist threats

And that doesn't warrant a death sentence. While you'd rather he be in jail, he's not. He's dead and you're celebrating that as a victory and calling his killer a hero.

Multiple people testified that they were in fear of Neely.

Being in fear doesn't warrant death.

It’s clear that Penny wasn’t trying to kill him.

Yet...Neely is dead. After having been choked out for 6 minutes, 1 of those completely limp.

And no Brian Thompson did not deserve to be killed in the street by a shooter who targeted him.

Of course.

You seem to be under the impression that people who politically agree with you deserve to live and people who disagree deserve to die.

Why would you assume I believe this? I am against the death penalty and do not think either should have happened. I assumed you'd have consistency in your beliefs. Thompson has participated in (and likely caused vastly more social harm than Neely. Yet, you don't think Luigi is a hero.

why the left is evil.

I am not the one celebrating the extrajudicial killing of a human being.

[u/AnakinSkycocker5726 → u/Nemisis82]

You would be correct in your analysis of the Penny/Neely situation had Neely not gotten on a subway train and overtly told a bunch of people that he would kill them. You’re omitting something very important here, as if there is no such thing as self defense.

You weren’t there. But there are many eye witnesses that believed this man was going to hurt someone. Penny was exercising self defense and good samaritanism. At the time, people thought they were in danger. Penny placed him in a submission hold, not a chokehold.

Now there are questions as to whether Penny should have released earlier etc. however I don’t believe that he or anyone who was helping him (by the way those people were not prosecuted) believed he was dying. Second there appears to be a dispute as to whether the hold actually killed him or whether he died due to his excessive drug use. It’s been put in front of a jury in the most left jurisdiction in the country and they acquitted. That’s the way the system works.

I’m a trial attorney. Though I do not practice criminal law, I do have criminal law experience. The reason for Penny’s involvement in the first place is extremely important when determining if he is guilty of murder. And you’re ignoring very key facts here.

[u/Nemisis82 → u/AnakinSkycocker5726]

and overtly told a bunch of people that he would kill them. You’re omitting something very important here, as if there is no such thing as self defense.

If someone says "I want to kill you", does that give you the right to immediately pull out a gun and shoot them dead?

At the time, people thought they were in danger. Penny placed him in a submission hold, not a chokehold.

He died of a chokehold, are you kidding me? We all saw the video. The medical examiner ruled the same way.

I don’t believe that he or anyone who was helping him (by the way those people were not prosecuted) believed he was dying

Well, he did die.

most left jurisdiction in the country and they acquitted.

I don't think it is, but that doesn't stop people from having wrong views. Left or right.

That’s the way the system works.

Totally aware. I'm saying it's wrong. Morally and for our society.

[u/AnakinSkycocker5726 → u/Nemisis82]

If someone says “I want to kill you”, does that give you the right to immediately pull out a gun and shoot them dead?

No, and that’s not what Penny did. However it might give a person the right to draw under certain circumstances. Words alone are not enough.

He died of a chokehold, are you kidding me? We all saw the video. The medical examiner ruled the same way.

He ruled it that way only after the watching the video, not by inspecting the body. And there was an expert witness who stated there were no signs of strangulation.

Well, he did die.

Of course. But my point is that there were others there who thought he was merely incapacitated. Adrenaline was rushing, people were scared, felt like they were in danger. He didn’t mean to kill the guy.

I don’t think it is, but that doesn’t stop people from having wrong views. Left or right.

Self defense and preventing imminent serious bodily harm or death to a third party is a defense to both murder and manslaughter.

Totally aware. I’m saying it’s wrong. Morally and for our society.

The system or the jury decision?