r/benshapiro • u/AnakinSkycocker5726 Facts don’t care about your feelings • 22d ago
Daniel Penny NOT GUILTY Daily Wire
https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-daniel-penny-found-not-guilty10
u/Zonero174 22d ago
Not guilty but still punished. Everyone knows now if you defend someone with force at the very least you will be rewarded with a months long court case and reputation assassination.
He's achieved a won battle in a lost war.
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u/Nemisis82 21d ago
Actual punishment would be jail time. So really, no punishment.
reputation assassination.
Probably for the best.
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u/AceMcLoud27 3d ago
You gotta wonder how bad his training was though. The worst possible way to resolve the situation.
Also kills any notion of a "biased jury" in the trump trial.
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u/AnakinSkycocker5726 Facts don’t care about your feelings 3d ago
You gotta wonder how bad his training was though. The worst possible way to resolve the situation.
He might have saved several lives. I’d say his training was pretty good. I don’t think the guy died because of the hold based on the evidence.
Also kills any notion of a “biased jury” in the trump trial.
Completely different. Trump was the president. Penny was a regular guy. This incident was never political nor should people have looked at it as such. The controversy is due to a culture war going on in this country that rewards bad people and punishes good ones.
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u/AceMcLoud27 3d ago
Please don't tell me you're one of those still whining about a biased trial in felon trump's case?
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u/AnakinSkycocker5726 Facts don’t care about your feelings 3d ago
I was merely responding to your comment. I’m certainly not whining. He’s going to get those charges dismissed on appeal. The jury instructions were atrocious.
And he’s president.
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u/AceMcLoud27 3d ago
Pathetic but I already knew the answer would be yes.
Check my comments, I wrote something about your facts/feeling byline earlier.
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u/AnakinSkycocker5726 Facts don’t care about your feelings 3d ago
You seem very upset. Why don’t you relax?
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u/Nemisis82 21d ago
Damn, I guess killing homeless people in NYC is legal now!
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u/AnakinSkycocker5726 Facts don’t care about your feelings 21d ago
Jordan Neely was a vicious, evil man who prayed on the vulnerable. He punched an elderly woman in the face and fractured the orbit of her eye. Then he got on a subway and threatened to kill women and children. The City of New York had ample opportunity to institutionalize this man. They didn’t, and he threatened people and might have killed someone too.
Daniel Penny was a hero. Am I glad Jordan Neely is dead? No. Id rather him be in prison. But I have zero sympathy for him or his family (who failed to help him and seek to profit from his death). The world is safer without him on the streets. He was not a victim. He was a criminal
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u/Nemisis82 21d ago
He punched an elderly woman in the face and fractured the orbit of her eye.
Seems like he should be in jail, not dead.
Then he got on a subway and threatened to kill women and children.
Threats of violence do not warrant death where I come from. Only action. But maybe you think words warrant a death sentence.
The City of New York had ample opportunity to institutionalize this man.
Agreed, seems like a failure.
might have killed someone too.
"Might" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
Am I glad Jordan Neely is dead? No.
Doesn't seem like it.
who failed to help him
How do you know this? Have you ever had to deal with mental illness and addiction before? It's not easy.
The world is safer without him on the streets.
The world is less safe now that vigilante justice was just given a green light.
He was a criminal
This does not warrant death.
I am certain you have this same sentiment for Brian Thompson.
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u/AnakinSkycocker5726 Facts don’t care about your feelings 21d ago
I said I’d rather him be in jail. And yes threatening people’s lives is assault and can be charged as making terrorist threats. Multiple people testified that they were in fear of Neely. It’s clear that Penny wasn’t trying to kill him. He clearly did it on accident. He certainly doesn’t deserve to be prosecuted for it. And the jury agreed.
And no Brian Thompson did not deserve to be killed in the street by a shooter who targeted him. He wasn’t threatening anyone’s lives. He was a law abiding citizen, unlike Neely. What a stupid and false comparison.
You seem to be under the impression that people who politically agree with you deserve to live and people who disagree deserve to die. You are a despicable human being, and a perfect illustration of why the left is evil.
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u/Nemisis82 21d ago
And yes threatening people’s lives is assault and can be charged as making terrorist threats
And that doesn't warrant a death sentence. While you'd rather he be in jail, he's not. He's dead and you're celebrating that as a victory and calling his killer a hero.
Multiple people testified that they were in fear of Neely.
Being in fear doesn't warrant death.
It’s clear that Penny wasn’t trying to kill him.
Yet...Neely is dead. After having been choked out for 6 minutes, 1 of those completely limp.
And no Brian Thompson did not deserve to be killed in the street by a shooter who targeted him.
Of course.
You seem to be under the impression that people who politically agree with you deserve to live and people who disagree deserve to die.
Why would you assume I believe this? I am against the death penalty and do not think either should have happened. I assumed you'd have consistency in your beliefs. Thompson has participated in (and likely caused vastly more social harm than Neely. Yet, you don't think Luigi is a hero.
why the left is evil.
I am not the one celebrating the extrajudicial killing of a human being.
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u/AnakinSkycocker5726 Facts don’t care about your feelings 21d ago edited 21d ago
You would be correct in your analysis of the Penny/Neely situation had Neely not gotten on a subway train and overtly told a bunch of people that he would kill them. You’re omitting something very important here, as if there is no such thing as self defense.
You weren’t there. But there are many eye witnesses that believed this man was going to hurt someone. Penny was exercising self defense and good samaritanism. At the time, people thought they were in danger. Penny placed him in a submission hold, not a chokehold.
Now there are questions as to whether Penny should have released earlier etc. however I don’t believe that he or anyone who was helping him (by the way those people were not prosecuted) believed he was dying. Second there appears to be a dispute as to whether the hold actually killed him or whether he died due to his excessive drug use. It’s been put in front of a jury in the most left jurisdiction in the country and they acquitted. That’s the way the system works.
I’m a trial attorney. Though I do not practice criminal law, I do have criminal law experience. The reason for Penny’s involvement in the first place is extremely important when determining if he is guilty of murder. And you’re ignoring very key facts here.
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u/Nemisis82 21d ago
and overtly told a bunch of people that he would kill them. You’re omitting something very important here, as if there is no such thing as self defense.
If someone says "I want to kill you", does that give you the right to immediately pull out a gun and shoot them dead?
At the time, people thought they were in danger. Penny placed him in a submission hold, not a chokehold.
He died of a chokehold, are you kidding me? We all saw the video. The medical examiner ruled the same way.
I don’t believe that he or anyone who was helping him (by the way those people were not prosecuted) believed he was dying
Well, he did die.
most left jurisdiction in the country and they acquitted.
I don't think it is, but that doesn't stop people from having wrong views. Left or right.
That’s the way the system works.
Totally aware. I'm saying it's wrong. Morally and for our society.
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u/AnakinSkycocker5726 Facts don’t care about your feelings 21d ago
If someone says “I want to kill you”, does that give you the right to immediately pull out a gun and shoot them dead?
No, and that’s not what Penny did. However it might give a person the right to draw under certain circumstances. Words alone are not enough.
He died of a chokehold, are you kidding me? We all saw the video. The medical examiner ruled the same way.
He ruled it that way only after the watching the video, not by inspecting the body. And there was an expert witness who stated there were no signs of strangulation.
Well, he did die.
Of course. But my point is that there were others there who thought he was merely incapacitated. Adrenaline was rushing, people were scared, felt like they were in danger. He didn’t mean to kill the guy.
I don’t think it is, but that doesn’t stop people from having wrong views. Left or right.
Self defense and preventing imminent serious bodily harm or death to a third party is a defense to both murder and manslaughter.
Totally aware. I’m saying it’s wrong. Morally and for our society.
The system or the jury decision?
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u/Away_Temperature_124 19d ago
Next time you run a stop sign and put peoples lives at risk, you should be strangled.
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u/AnakinSkycocker5726 Facts don’t care about your feelings 19d ago
That is the stupidest analogy I’ve ever heard. Try again
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u/Away_Temperature_124 19d ago
Okay skycocker.
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u/AnakinSkycocker5726 Facts don’t care about your feelings 19d ago
How is a minor traffic violation the same as getting on a subway car full of people and threatening to kill everyone?
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u/SuburbanSisyphus 22d ago
NYC jury well done!