r/benshapiro • u/narcabusesurvivor18 • Oct 29 '24

Ben Shapiro vs. Sam Harris on Trump Ben Shapiro

https://youtu.be/cTnV5RfhIjk?feature=shared

To me, what sticks out in this debate is how quickly Sam changes standards with how he looks at the actions of politicians. When it’s a Democrat, he treats what they say/do as mostly unimportant, unserious, etc. but when it’s Trump it’s super important, serious, etc. It’s what Ben pointed out multiple times; the actual policy and comparing actions vs words matters more. But even the rhetoric itself, Sam changes standards. When Hillary denies the results of the 2016 election, (and launders the Russiagate lies) that’s just water under the bridge. Trump denying the election results in 2020 and then leaving office, that’s the end of the world. It bothered me quite a bit how Sam’s standards seem to change so radically but for no solid reason.

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u/alpacasallday Oct 31 '24

But he is not "stubbornly anti-Trump". That implies he has no reasoning when he seems to clearly do. He has very clear reasons for why he thinks Trump is not a good president. It's odd that this is what you take away after listening to an hour and a half.

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u/alpacasallday Oct 31 '24

Did I say he had no reasons? You implied Jan 6 was some tipping point and the only reason he is anti Trump. I was listening to Sam long before listening to Ben Shapiro, he has always been anti Trump for a variety of reasons and has never been willing to say anything positive about him.

I said that that seems to be his definitive line. This does not mean that there are no other reasons - Harris mentioned a lot of them - for why one or he might not be in favor of Trump. Again, you handwave them away by saying "TDS". Yet he has offered a huge list of reasons for why he thinks Trump is not trustworthy, not competent and with fewer guardrails even worse. This isn't your made up illness, these are real reasons. And the fact that you know that Harris is not fond of Trump and hasn't been for a long time doesn't make these reasons illogical or wrong, if anything it shows a consistency and one that he seems to still be able to argue for.