r/benshapiro • u/narcabusesurvivor18 • Oct 29 '24

Ben Shapiro vs. Sam Harris on Trump Ben Shapiro

https://youtu.be/cTnV5RfhIjk?feature=shared

To me, what sticks out in this debate is how quickly Sam changes standards with how he looks at the actions of politicians. When it’s a Democrat, he treats what they say/do as mostly unimportant, unserious, etc. but when it’s Trump it’s super important, serious, etc. It’s what Ben pointed out multiple times; the actual policy and comparing actions vs words matters more. But even the rhetoric itself, Sam changes standards. When Hillary denies the results of the 2016 election, (and launders the Russiagate lies) that’s just water under the bridge. Trump denying the election results in 2020 and then leaving office, that’s the end of the world. It bothered me quite a bit how Sam’s standards seem to change so radically but for no solid reason.

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u/PFalcone33 Oct 29 '24

He said it on Bill Maher few years ago.

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u/PoignantPoint22 Oct 29 '24

I find that hard to believe. Send me a link if you find it.

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u/PFalcone33 Oct 29 '24

YouTube search.

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u/PoignantPoint22 Oct 29 '24

Just did a few searches and I’m not seeing anything specific come up. Was it on Real Time or Maher’s podcast?

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u/PFalcone33 Oct 29 '24

Real Time.

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u/PoignantPoint22 Oct 29 '24

I’ve watched all of his appearances on Real Time and I cannot recall him ever saying that. Especially since it doesn’t track with anything else he has ever said. Again, I just searched for it and can’t find anything. You say it exists, provide evidence.

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u/PFalcone33 Oct 30 '24

Ah, I was mistaken. It wasn’t Bill. It was an interview where he agreed burying the HB laptop story is totally fine if it kept Trump out of office. So he didn’t feel any different than a ton of other people.

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u/PoignantPoint22 Oct 30 '24

Already responded this to someone else who brought that up.

Sam didn’t say he was ok with burying the story forever. From my recollection he basically said, “given the timing and absurdity of the source of this laptop story, you could forgive an editor for choosing to hold running the story until they get it right”. Also that the media, and any media outlet m, is under no obligation to immediately report on stuff and spread it as far as possible. Responsible journalism would require time for vetting and writing an actual story. Hard to imagine in this day and age but that’s how journalism should be done. A story shouldn’t be printed right away because it’s potentially damaging to a candidate, nor should it be suppressed for the same reason.

Journalistically speaking, it can become a slippery slope real quick but that wouldn’t be an issue if we had legitimate news media in this country. I don’t think there is anything inherently wrong with what Sam said when you parse his words with what he later clarified on his own podcast. I do think it’s blatantly dishonest to characterize his words as “Sam Harris said it was ok for the Democrats to cheat in the 2020 election”. Like, wildly lazy and dishonest to frame it like that.