r/benshapiro • u/GrizzlyPeakFinancial • Mar 04 '24

Genuinely interested what everyone's thoughts are? Discussion Other Daily Wire Members

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u/MHulk Mar 04 '24

The problem is that the embryos/children can’t consent. No one has any issues with IVF from the perspective of the adults; it’s the outcome resulting from when life begins (i.e., conception) that causes issues. If life does begin at conception, you can’t justify the creation of life of those resulting from IVF by murdering the embryos that the parents didn’t choose.

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u/Never_Forget_711 Mar 04 '24

Part of the problem is people think embryo and child are interchangeable words.

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u/MHulk Mar 05 '24

What distinction are you making here?

They are interchangeable inasmuch as “child” and “toddler” are interchangeable. They are technically denoting different things, but they are different in time. The same thing as different times. Same value, same intrinsic worth, different developmental periods.

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u/Never_Forget_711 Mar 05 '24

Really the only reason you’d use child to describe an embryo is to illicit emotion. Would you save a burning building with 1000 embryos in it or a burning building with one 2yo in it?

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u/MHulk Mar 05 '24

The only reason you are making this comparison is to illicit emotion. Who I would save is irrelevant to the intrinsic humanity of anyone involved.

I would also choose to allow 1,000 cancer patients to die peacefully in their sleep over having a baby burn to death horribly, but that doesn’t make the cancer patients less human.

I would save my baby from the building over 1,000 other babies, but that doesn’t make them less human.

I also don’t think it is 100% intrinsically immoral to save the embryos in that situation. The emotional response is to save the baby, which is why it’s funny that you’re accusing me of using emotion, but if I save the embryos and they were all implanted and given to families (assuming that’s why they were there and not in cold storage for parents who didn’t want them), that would be a pretty happy outcome for those 1,000 families.

I think that human life is so valuable (infinitely valuable even) that you CANNOT make a 100% definitive judgement about any comparison with lives on both sides. A human life is precious, and while I would like to save as many of them as I could, there are absolutely scenarios where anyone would “happily” select the “wrong” option because of emotion/love.

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u/Never_Forget_711 Mar 05 '24

lol tying yourself in knots over a simple trolly problem