r/benshapiro • u/GrizzlyPeakFinancial • Mar 04 '24

Genuinely interested what everyone's thoughts are? Discussion Other Daily Wire Members

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He's catholic. Of course he thinks this

I'm not Catholic, so I disagree. So what

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '24 edited Mar 04 '24

To me, that's a lousy way to discredit his logical explanation as to why he thinks something. Even if he wasn't Christian, his explanation would still stand.

That's like a Democrat saying, "Well, he's Conservative, so obviously he thinks having a stable home with a mother and father is healthy for children, and I'm a Democrat so I disagree."

It's a brain numbing way to think about things.

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u/Prior_Lobster_5240 Mar 04 '24

Christian and Catholic are NOT the same thing. And since you don't get that, you obviously don't base your beliefs on your moral values.

The view of pregnancy, sex, and everything in between is very unique amongst Catholicism. Their morals and values are based on those views.

It's not brain numbing to understand that your religious beliefs bleed into your world view. What is stupid is to think that people DON'T make opinions based on their morals.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '24 edited Mar 04 '24

You missed my point.

Catholics are Christians and is a denomination of Christiaity, so I said Christian because his beliefs regarding this subject would fall under Christianity as a whole, not just Catholicism, so it would just make more sense to say Christian rather than Catholic.

My point wasn't that we don't base our beliefs on our morals. My point was that it's not a binary determination that is Catholic = against IVF and non Catholic = indifference/in support of IVF. That is what is mind numbing, because instead of using logical reasoning for why you are for or against something, you're just using identity labels to explain it for you, as if we should be assuming you're for IVF because you aren't a Catholic, which is silly.

If you disagree, simply saying, "I'm not a Catholic, so obviously I don't agree with what you said" is what is mind numbing. There are plenty of atheists, for example, who are also against things like IVF and abortion.

Also, Christians and atheists often have similar morals, because morality is subjective, but the big difference is that Christians know where those morals come from.

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u/Prior_Lobster_5240 Mar 04 '24

You absolutely missed where I said the Catholic view on procreation is unique. It is not at all universal to Christianity.

You're making much more broad assumptions than I am, and they are based on false information.

And you also missed MY point. He's Catholic, meaning that it is in no way shocking that this is his opinion, because it is what the Catholic church preaches. I would expect him to believe this, and he has every right to.

I don't agree, and that's okay.

The post was meant to make people debate and discuss, be there really isn't much to debate.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '24 edited Mar 04 '24

I didn't miss where you said anything. Do you mind then telling me how a Christian and how a Catholic view procreation differently?

I'm not making broad assumptions...

Obviously it's not shocking, but that is besides the point. All you said was, "I'm not Catholic so I disagree," which is terrible rationale. Like I said before, even if he wasn't Catholic, his points would still stand, and therefore you being Catholic or not means nothing in terms of arguing against what he said. You not being a Catholic is a terrible reason to argue against his arguments, because he explained his reasoning beyond, "because I'm Catholic."

That's like saying, "you're only against murder because you're Christian, and I'm not Christian, so therefore I disagree that murder is bad."

Yes, his whole argument is there to be debated on...which is the whole point of this post.