r/benshapiro • u/mrfreshmint • Jan 23 '24
Ben Shapiro vs. Destiny Pinned moderator post
https://youtu.be/tYrdMjVXyNg?si=PfvcZphZnseVc1uQ40
u/LTT82 Jan 23 '24
It was a good debate. I don't think Ben's position of 'Trump says a lot of shit' is going to actually win over any converts, but I also think it's his honest position. Destiny is out of his mind for thinking that Trump knows that the 2020 election wasn't stolen. Regardless of if it was or wasn't stolen, it's pretty obvious that Trump believes it was.
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Jan 24 '24
Destiny is out of his mind for thinking that Trump knows that the 2020 election wasn't stolen.
They were talking about what counts as "knowing". Destiny made a good point, that so many of Trumps political allies told him that it is not stolen. He had 0 evidence, and his allies were telling him it is not true. So what is the "knowing" that the election was stolen based on? If it is just based on his feeling or intuition, it has nothing to do with how the rest of the world uses the term "knowing".
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u/LTT82 Jan 24 '24
The problem is that Destiny's position doesnt take into account everyone else who was telling him there were problems. Sure, when you only focus on one side of the issue, it looks very cut and dry, but there were people around Trump telling him that the election was stolen and that he could still win.
Trump had people telling him both sides of the story and he chose to believe one side.
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u/Roftastic Jan 24 '24
Who was telling Trump that there were issues? The Director of National Intelligence? VP Pence, who had everything to gain from agreeing? His own campaign staff & lawyers who all quit when Trump sought to contest the vote? What about the County courts, the Georgia SoS?
I mean, we can appeal to anything & imagine an entire cast of staffers who said "Yes Mr. Trump" at an inconvenient time, but there was A LOT of bad faith in the claims Trump made with zero justification on how Trump came to this one conclusion in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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u/LTT82 Jan 24 '24
His legal team was telling him all sorts of things to get him into court. That had to come from somewhere. Juliani was telling him it was stolen. People all over the internet and on TV were talking about irregularities and strangeness.
There was a lot going on that could have easily convinced anyone who wanted to be convinced that the election was stolen.
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u/Roftastic Jan 24 '24
That had to come from somewhere.
Trump. It came from Trump.
Dude was literally firing lawyers & hiring Yes Men who would agree to Trump's case, and you wanna try & sell to me the idea that the Election Denialism was some sort of mass psychosis?
I can joke about Joe Biden being the taxidermy President cause it's funny, but I dont think believing that Donald Trump is so cognitively incapable that he cannot judge reality is as cute. Independents will see this as Trump needing to be in a nursing home, and thats if I give you the benefit of the doubt.
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u/LTT82 Jan 24 '24
sell to me the idea that the Election Denialism was some sort of mass psychosis?
That's not what I'm saying. There were very real questions to be asked about the correctness of the 2020 election. There are very real questions to be asked about just about any election, but especially something like 2020 where so many strange, unprecedented things happened.
Let me put it to you this way; the night of the election I was watching podcasts as it was happening. Sometime in the night, a polling station in Georgia said they were stopping count because they had a burst water pipe. That was widely reported and the voting count stopped happening. Fair enough, I don't want poll workers to drown or freeze to death, so it's all good.
So what's the problem? The problem is that there wasn't a water pipe burst. It didn't happen. So why did they stop counting and why did someone say that there was a water pipe burst?
Now maybe that story means nothing. Someone got their story wrong, misunderstood an order from the top, nothing actually effecting the election happened it was just a weird thing that's never happened before, but it just happened to happen this year. Fine, that's fair enough. We're dealing with human beings that make mistakes so you're going to run into these situations naturally without any sort of conspiracy waiting in the shadows.
However, it's also something weird that hasn't happened before and is something that should be investigated. Was it? I don't know. This is one of those stories that just doesn't have a conclusion.
There were a lot of stories like that all over the country. 5 different states(all of them the most contested) also stopped counting in the middle of the night. Why? Don't know. Does that mean fraud? No, but it certainly provides an ample field in which doubts can grow.
Trump had ample reason to believe that the election was being stolen, even if you disagree with him.
It's not weird or wrong to question the election. Clinton still thinks she won in 2016. Gore thinks he won in 2000. Trump thinks he won in 2020.
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u/Roftastic Jan 24 '24
All of this that you are mentioning isnt a reason, much less ample reason, to believe the election was stolen from Trump.
At best this is good justification to question specific states through recounts & investigations, which did happen, and all resulted in cementing Biden's victory in these states.
When was Trump gonna accept that the election wasn't stolen? When his lawyers said no, when his Campaign advisor said no, when his DNI said no? Or when he was forced to fire his lawyers because they all refused? This all sounds like either Trump is senile, or that Trump knew from the beginning & was trying to supplant the peaceful transfer of power.
At what point in this description of Trump's 4yr long manic episode are you gonna admit that either Trump knew and is subject to mens ria for the upcoming SCotUS case, or that Trump didnt know and is just unfit for office?
Clinton still thinks she won in 2016. Gore thinks he won in 2000. Trump thinks he won in 2020.
All wrong.
Clinton never contested the results of the 2016 election. She conceded at 1am on 11/10/2016. All conservatives have to lean on for this point was an interview done years later where she said Trump was an "illegitimate president", and the question she was answering had literally nothing to do with the 2016 election but rather Trump's supposed dereliction of duty.
Al Gore lost after his case was fasttracked to the Supreme Court and they determined that Bush legitimately won in Florida. Gore ratified Bush's Electors votes for the very state. You can't find a quote this millenium where Gore believes he should have won.
And again, all Gore did was contest the results which Trump didn't respect when the answer came out differently than he has hoped for.
I'd love to talk more, but I'm typing this all on my phone @ work.
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u/C3PO-Leader Feb 02 '24
These 7,000 people
More Than 7,000 Affidavits Claiming Election Fraud Delivered In Michigan https://justthenews.com/nation/states/over-7000-affidavits-delivered-michigan-lawmakers-claim-election-fraud
Never forget there was no investigation by the DOJ for this
But there was a 2 year $50,000,000 investigation in 2016 with not one person testifying to witnessing voter fraud
7,000 - just ignore them
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u/Roftastic Feb 02 '24 edited Feb 02 '24
Affidavits by people who were determined to be completely ignorant about what they were talking about.
I suggest you look up what sn affidavit is before you try to use that as a point.
You're saying all this like the man who helped file these affidavits, Rudy Giuliani, didn't admit under oath that he knew he had no evidence the entire time. Nice try loser.
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u/IThinkBasic Jan 25 '24
Is it true that all of trump's allies said it wasn't true? I've never heard such a strong claim made before on this point, does destiny really think that?
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u/IThinkBasic Jan 27 '24
Nah, what really happened is, destiny saw that four or five people said that and then hyperbolized it into something like "literally every single person surrounding him".
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u/qdude124 Jan 24 '24
There was not "Zero" evidence. We all went to bed with Trump up big and then the polling places closed and somehow Biden was winning in the morning. The very concept of the polling places closing is insane, people were just walking up to these places completely unguarded at night. (Most secure election in history btw)
Then there were the insane amount of videos coming out that all had unconfirmed claims showing crazy shit.
The "2000 Mules" movie would be considered evidence by some.
You have Trump winning the vast majority of bellweather counties and performing better in most cities except for a few cities in swing states (Detroit, Atlanta, Milwaukee).
Then you have states like PA not following their own election laws and accepting late votes.
You can't just say "Zero" evidence. I personally don't find any of it to be conclusive evidence, but I understand why people would question it. I don't don't feel as confident as I should in the results.
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u/HB3187 Feb 02 '24
"Evidence" is not people not understanding that the party who's candidate didn't spend 2+ years bellowing about how mail in voting was fraudulent catching up after mail in voting started to be counted. Hell anyone who paid even a slight amount of attention knew this was coming.
Republicans even fought against mail-in ballots being counted first. Almost like they wanted people to use this as "evidence" that the election was stolen. Guess it worked lol.
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u/stevejuliet Jan 24 '24 edited Jan 25 '24
We all went to bed with Trump up big and then the polling places closed and somehow Biden was winning in the morning
Those of us who were paying attention understood that this was a very real possibility.
Mail in ballots are counted during the day, but many states have policies that they need to be added to the rallies once they are all counted. In other years, this hasn't moved the needle too much. However, because so many people voted by mail (and because Trump actively told his voters not to vote by mail), it isn't surprising that the results shifted dramatically when the mail in ballots were added (especially in purple states, where the shift would obviously be more pronounced).
This only looks like a conspiracy to people who don't know much about the voting process.
Also, states didn't simply stop counting votes. This is simply false.
people were just walking up to these places completely unguarded at night
Please provide evidence that this was happening. I have not heard this claim before.
unconfirmed claims showing crazy shit.
So we're on the same page that the claims are both unconfirmed and crazy? Good.
The "2000 Mules" movie would be considered evidence by some.
They would be highly gullible. True the Vote has admitted they only tracked people to within 100 feet of drop boxes. I'm not sure how coming within 100 feet of ten drop boxes in 24 hours is suspicious. They could have been walking past on the other side of the road.
except for a few cities in swing states (Detroit, Atlanta, Milwaukee).
Yes, because the political landscape of the country is becoming more polarized. This is alarming, but it's not evidence or an indication of fraud.
Then you have states like PA not following their own election laws and accepting late votes.
They allowed people to turn in mail in ballots without a way to ensure they could be counted in the timeframe their state allows for. Literally zero states were done counting on election night (that's just how it works). I agree that it's problematic that PA legislature didn't account for this. However, the alternative would be to disenfranchise voters who were voting the way the state told them they could vote by tossing out their votes. That would be anti-democratic. It was a catch-22, but they chose the least worst option.
You can't just say "Zero" evidence.
Yes, we can. There are currently a lot of claims but zero evidence that the election was stolen.
Be more skeptical.
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u/qdude124 Jan 24 '24
Do you know what evidence means? Claims are absolutely considered evidence. Hell, they fucking convicted Trump in civil court for rape based on unsubstantiated claims.
Evidence does not mean "Things u/stevejuliet agrees with." It is an encompassing term. So yes, everything I listed above is evidence, even if it's not conclusive.
The only point I'd like to address for your comment is the whole thing about mail-in ballots being counted later? Why would this be the case? Either count them ahead of time or count them the day of. Makes no sense to wait and it is just going to destroy the credibility of an election.
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u/stevejuliet Jan 24 '24 edited Jan 24 '24
Claims are absolutely considered evidence.
That's simply false.
everything I listed above is evidence,
Everything you listed is evidence that people think that there was organized voter fraud. It is not evidence that there was organized voter fraud.
the whole thing about mail-in ballots being counted later? Why would this be the case?
In [Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin], election workers are, with few exceptions, prohibited from opening mail ballots before Election Day. Election officials in these states have begged their state legislatures for increased flexibility over the past few years and have been repeatedly rebuffed.
Makes no sense to wait and it is just going to destroy the credibility of an election.
YOU'RE SO FUCKING CLOSE TO UNDERSTANDING HOW YOU'VE BEEN MANIPULATED, IT'S INFURIATING TO THINK YOU HAVEN'T FIGURED IT OUT.
Maybe we should wonder why Republican controlled legislatures have repeatedly obstructed attempts to change these policies in the months preceding the 2020 election and while simultaneously pointing their fingers at the process they made unnecessarily difficult as "evidence" of fraud.
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u/qdude124 Jan 24 '24
The source literally aligns with exactly what I'm saying? Why are you trying to dunk on me with it?
Also what is this? Are you claiming some sort of meta conspiracy theory? The Republicans made it slower to count votes so they could claim election fraud? Is that what I'm reading?
I don't think I've been manipulated at all, I just think mail in ballots at this scale are awful. It promotes uninformed voting based on what people see from mainstream and social media.
You want to vote for Biden because you support leftist policies? Be my guest, we should have a debate about it! You want to vote for Biden because someone falsely told you Trump was racist? Fuck off, you are the problem with this country.
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u/stevejuliet Jan 25 '24 edited Jan 25 '24
. It promotes uninformed voting based on what people see from mainstream and social media.
I've never seen this argument before. Please explain how you think it promotes uninformed voting.
I see mail in voting as beneficial during the 2020 election when people wouldn't have voted otherwise due to concerns about COVID. I can see a conversation about limiting it now, but I don't understand how it can promote uninformed voting.
The source literally aligns with exactly what I'm saying?
The source explains why states took so long to count Mail-in ballots. It explains why we shouldn't be suspicious about the totals shifting late on election night.
Are you claiming some sort of meta conspiracy theory?
No. I'm claiming that Republicans are just being disingenuous when they say things like "Democrats changed the law unconditionally in some states!" The reason those mail in ballots policies weren't changed constitutionally is because Republican legislators got in the way. Had they supported the emergency orders, it would have been constitutional. They need an actual argument for why changing mail in voting policies was wrong. It being "unconstitutional" isn't a logical argument. It's an issue with legislative procedure, not evidence of fraud.
I am suggesting that the reason they didn't allow states to change some laws is because they knew that if they could get some mail in ballots thrown out it would disproportionately hurt Biden.
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u/qdude124 Jan 25 '24
Not a very in depth theory - mail in voting removes a barrier to entry of voting. Forcing people to vote in person means that everyone who votes will care enough to take 20 minutes or an hour to go and actually cast their vote. Someone who simply reads an article on Facebook and wants to vote for Biden does not want to bad enough to actually make a trip to the ballot box.
I know libs are all about getting everyone with a pulse to vote but I personally find that reprehensible. Either do your research and cast an informed vote or don't vote. Either option is perfectly fine. What is not fine is googling for an hour and making your pick based on whatever gets algorithm to you first. Obviously, libs prefer people voting this way because all of our news and social media is completely dominated by the left so all of the uniformed voters go with that side.
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u/stevejuliet Jan 25 '24 edited Jan 25 '24
Your entire argument is based on a massive assumption that people who vote by mail aren't informed voters. There is absolutely no reason to suspect that.
Mail-in voting allows the single mother with a colicy baby to vote. It allows the disabled person to vote. It allows the elderly to vote. It allows the person working multiple jobs who can't get time off to vote.
Granted, even though any of those people could potentially get to a polling place, mail-in voting removes a barrier that might have prevented them from voting.
Yes, it increases the voter turnout. That is a strategy that helps Democrats. It's telling that Republicans, on the other hand, look for ways to suppress voter turnout again, and again, and again.
Your claim is nonsense. It's called an "appeal to consequences." You don't like a suspected consequence of an action, so you think it's wrong or unethical or contributing to voter fraud. You should look up that logical fallacy so you can have logical conversations about this in the future.
However, I'm glad you're admitting that those mail-in votes were cast by legitimate voters, even if you think they aren't intelligent enough to be allowed to vote. That's a step away from the nonsense conspiracy theory about a stolen election.
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u/C3PO-Leader Feb 02 '24
he has 0 evidence
More Than 7,000 Affidavits Claiming Election Fraud Delivered In Michigan https://justthenews.com/nation/states/over-7000-affidavits-delivered-michigan-lawmakers-claim-election-fraud
131 sworn affidavits, many testifying to witness of voter fraud https://pjmedia.com/election/megan-fox/2020/11/09/ronna-mcdaniel-presents-131-affidavits-2800-incident-reports-of-alleged-voter-fraud-in-mi-media-still-demands-evidence-n1134171
234 Pages Of Affidavits Alleging Election Irregularities In Michigan https://www.worldtribune.com/mcenany-234-pages-of-sworn-affidavits-alleging-fraud-in-just-one-michigan-county/
This woman goes to stuff the ballot box in GA on November 2, 2020 but then she realizes the ballots weren’t signed so she goes back to her car and signs them all. https://twitter.com/akafacehots/status/1720808076654375386
NEVER FORGET: From 130,000-280,000 Completed Ballots Were Shipped Across State Lines from NY to PA in 2020 Election – Never Explained https://i.postimg.cc/vmYFZ18K/038-E8-B72-3745-4-EAE-92-E9-85-FED8-DE0-D8-B.jpg
A video showing a van dropping off 100s of thousands of ballots around 3 AM in Detroit w/o any GOP monitors. https://trumpforever.substack.com/p/breaking-bombshell-new-video-showing
A Hacker Shows How Easy it is To Manipulate Voting Machines. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5OFRKiy_wM8&pp=ygU9QSBIYWNrZXIgU2hvd3MgSG93IEVhc3kgaXQgaXMgVG8gTWFuaXB1bGF0ZSBWb3RpbmcgTWFjaGluZXMuIA%3D%3D
Report: Hundreds of Thousands of Florida Ballots Were Flagged as “Blank” and Later Adjudicated https://canadafreepress.com/article/hundreds-of-thousands-of-florida-ballots-were-flagged-as-blank-and-later-adjudicated
Video emerges, woman testifying multiple absentee ballots were being received in sequential order with the date of November 0, 2020. https://twitter.com/LeadingReport/status/1729286676130725985
Report: US states committed 'systemic violations of election law' in 2020 presidential election - https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/report-us-states-committed-systemic-violations-of-election-law-in-2020-presidential-election/
Zuckerberg Revelation Shows FBI Interfered for Biden in 2020 Election https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2022/08/25/stunning-zuckerberg-revelation-shows-fbi-interfered-for-biden-in-2020-election-n1624357
Video Shows PA Official Admitting Election Laws Were Broken In 2020 https://thefederalist.com/2022/01/17/video-shows-pennsylvania-official-admitting-election-laws-were-broken-in-2020/
Georgia Can't Produce Over 17k 2020 Election Ballot Images Required By Law, More Than Margin Of Error In Biden 'Win' https://archive.ph/VsU2d
LA county rejects 27% of signatures in latest recall election…but less than 1% for 2020 Presidential election. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/16/l-a-claims-27-error-rate-in-recall-signatures-1-error-rate-in-mail-in-ballots-2020/
Wisconsin Election Officials Admitted to Telling Election Officials to Break the Law Before 2020 Presidential Election https://theredamerican.com/2021/11/16/caught-on-video-wisconsin-election-officials-admitted-to-telling-election-officials-to-break-the-law-before-2020-presidential-election/
18,000 Illegal Voters In 2020 Election In One Georgia County - Biden Margin Of Victory Was 11,779 https://www.georgiarecord.com/breaking-evidence-to-be-released-18000-illegal-voters-in-2020-election-in-one-georgia-county-biden-margin-of-victory-was-11-779/
Montana election integrity organization found more than 120,000 invalid votes cast during 2020 election https://citizens.news/649737.html
Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN https://archive.ph/iaWQ7
Postal Service Validates Driver Jesse Morgan’s Claims – Final Report CONFIRMS Hauling of Ballot Trailer from NY to PA in October 2020 https://nextnewsnetwork.com/2023/06/05/breaking-postal-service-validates-driver-jesse-morgans-claims-final-report-confirms-hauling-of-ballot-trailer-from-ny-to-pa-in-october-2020/
Zuckerberg's Election Interference Was So Bad Even the NYT Warned About It 39 Days Before the Election. https://archive.ph/SKMnE
Professor and Election Expert J. Halderman Hacks into Dominion Voting Machine Tabulator in Court on Friday in Georgia in front of Judge Totenberg Using Only a Pen to Change Vote Totals https://archive.ph/cSghE
2000 Mules https://m.imgur.com/a/rTBFVNg
Evidence Of Voter Fraud In 2020 Election, Data Shows Cloud Computing Scheme https://web.archive.org/web/20220309161805/https://www.oann.com/voterga-releases-evidence-of-voter-fraud-in-2020-election-data-shows-cloud-computing-scheme/
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u/Spuzaw Jan 23 '24 edited Jan 23 '24
It's horrible however you look at it. Either he's lying to the American people or he's delusional. Either way he tried to overturn the election. I cannot for the life of me understand why people want this man to be president after everything he did and said.
It's depressing that this is what the Republican party has become. It sucks because I've always voted Republican before Trump. I hope eventually the party can move past him.
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u/OldReputation865 Jan 24 '24
Trump did not try and overthrow anything he condemned the violence and told them to go home.
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u/Regular_Chap Jan 24 '24
According to Pence he did.
“I think it’s important that the American people know what happened in the days before January 6,” Pence said. “President Trump demanded that I use my authority as vice president presiding over the count of the Electoral College to essentially overturn the election by returning or literally rejecting votes. I had no authority to do that.”
For those who might doubt him, Pence urged them to “read the indictment.”
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u/thesourceofsound Jan 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24
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u/OldReputation865 Jan 24 '24
He was trying to fight the stolen election and. He in no way endorses Jan 6th
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u/Drivngspaghtemonster Jan 24 '24
What stolen election?
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u/OldReputation865 Jan 24 '24
The 2020 one
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u/Drivngspaghtemonster Jan 24 '24
Oh. Why do you think that election was stolen when all evidence points to the fact that it wasn’t?
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u/OldReputation865 Jan 24 '24
“Evidence” more like propaganda
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u/Drivngspaghtemonster Jan 24 '24
Oh so you’ve seen evidence that proves it was stolen? Well heck man let’s see it! This could be a game changer!
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u/thesourceofsound Jan 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24
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u/OldReputation865 Jan 24 '24
No, it is not and secondly.
"Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!"
"I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!"
https://www.thetrumparchive.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V47UfRDpdk&t=29s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmqRnfWhEsI
And when trump first spoke to them, "he said to peacefully and patriotically protest."
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u/IThinkBasic Jan 25 '24
Yawn what a soy answer, trump didn't try to do anything, you think someone trying to seize power would do so using a bunch of unarmed morons when they can call on armies?
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u/sooperbowels Jan 24 '24
Good civilized debate. Though not much debating happened. Destiny learned a lot.
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u/AvalanchePalm Jan 24 '24
I thought this was a who can talk faster competition
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u/Roftastic Jan 24 '24
Someone did the math on Destiny's sub. It was Destiny, though this felt like the little leagues cup of talking fast tbh.
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u/Falcons8541 Jan 23 '24
No one being here does not bode well for our boy. Destiny is without a doubt the smartest liberal, and I watch his content to gain perspective regularly. Been waiting for this debate for a long time, let’s see how it goes!
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u/dexter30 Jan 24 '24 edited Feb 04 '24
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u/the_real_mflo Jan 24 '24
Destiny's sub is the most active live streamer sub on reddit. There are a decent amount of conservatives in his community, and if you voice your opinion, his community won't jump you like most echo chambers.
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u/dexter30 Jan 24 '24 edited Feb 04 '24
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u/IThinkBasic Jan 25 '24
Well... they won't ban you, but you will be jumped. Destiny is essentially untouchable in his community, and as he himself will say, why would he have it any other way? It's HIS community, it's supposed to exist for the benefit of him, and he heavily curates it for that purpose more so than almost anyone else.
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u/IThinkBasic Jan 25 '24
Well... they won't ban you, but you will be jumped. Destiny is essentially untouchable in his community, and as he himself will say, why would he have it any other way? It's HIS community, it's supposed to exist for the benefit of him, and he heavily curates it for that purpose more so than almost anyone else.
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u/the_real_mflo Jan 25 '24 edited Jan 26 '24
I've been a part of DGG for awhile. Destiny's community has been known to circlejerk their disagreements with him to the point that he'll start banning people because it goes on for days. I remember this happened with the NFT stuff and the not the calling Nick Fuentes a nazi fiasco. I think you have a far more likely chance of getting banned by Destiny than getting jumped for voicing a conservative position if it's well argued.
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u/lCt Jan 27 '24
Also he's quick to ban but also quick to unban. Also you may get !shot but that's a three day ban.
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u/samsonity Jan 24 '24
After watching that crazy watch guy Nico talk about Shapiro and his watches I really think he had a great point about him which is he’s just very clear about his points which comes across as uncaring and cold.
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u/Esclink Jan 23 '24
Does anybody know what jacket Ben is wearing?
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Jan 25 '24
The moment Destiny said “I think Biden has done a phenomenal job on foreign policy” I had to bow out. If you have that type of cognitive disconnect then you simply aren’t worth spending time on.
Pretty fair discussion until that point though.
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u/crownprerogat Jan 25 '24
He has though. If you actually have the first clue about the foreign policy it is borderline masterful compared to Trump. The fact that he was able to gaslight so many mouth breathers with the likes of the “Abraham Accords” just shows how dumb people are. May as well had peace deals between France and Spain. But trumpers see brown people and just assume everyone is at war.
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u/TaypHill Jan 27 '24
oh yes, the cognitive dissonance isn’t coming from the guy who stopped listening when he heard something he disagrees.
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u/Sheikh-demnuts Feb 05 '24
While I agree with your point generally speaking, it’s not always applicable. If someone says “The N@zis were justified”, I’d stop listening. Clearly someone like that would not be worth listening to. Now obviously, it’s an unfair comparison. I’m just saying choosing to stop listening doesn’t have to be cognitive dissonance if the claim is ridiculous enough. More importantly, it’s possible for multiple to have cognitive dissonance (i.e this redditer and Destiny.) Now personally, I’m neutral on his foreign policy, I’m just being the “devil’s advocate”.
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u/TaypHill Feb 09 '24
oh, sure, no statement is absolute. That said, i was referring to this specific event.
You may disagree with what Destiny said, but i don't think it was a statement born out of cognitive dissonance. He can offer valid reasons for why he believes that, and it is not an absurd opinion to have.
In this case, it does really seem like the cognitive dissonance is in the mind of the beholder.
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u/RlyNotYourBroker Jan 24 '24
I thought it was a good debate. I'm not familiar with Destiny but he makes some good points and pressed Shapiro on some things. I haven't finished the podcast yet but here are my thoughts from what I've heard.
This is what I have watched so far, may update as I listen to more.