r/benshapiro Leftist Tear Drinker Aug 02 '23

NBC News Totally Obliterates Trans Ideology By Accident Other Daily Wire Members

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Aug 02 '23

Race and gender are social constructs with different characteristics and standards depending on what time period and culture they exist in. The implications of “becoming a different race” and being trans is comparing apples to oranges.

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u/DarthBalls5041 Leftist Tear Drinker Aug 02 '23

You just said a bunch of words, but there is zero basis for them.

Gender roles and racial culture are social constructs.

But gender/sex (xx versus xy chromosomes as well as different reproductive systems and natural hormones) and race (the amount of melanin in our skin, among other things) are biological.

A white person saying they identify as black is no different than a man identifying as a woman. And there is no logical argument you can make to support your position.

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u/midnightnoonmidnight Aug 02 '23

Sorry to break it to you, but words are used to communicate ideas. So yeah, I used a bunch of words.

Words like “race” and “gender” are also just used to communicate ideas. The shared understanding of these ideas is a social construct that changed between cultures and over time.

Gender doesn’t directly map to sex which doesn’t directly map to biology. Race doesn’t directly map to a biological marker of skin color. You couldn’t even be specific in your own explanation because the concepts of gender and sex and race are not universal- even on a biological level.

What is the race of these twins?

Are Italians white?

Why do different cultures recognize gender differently?

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u/DarthBalls5041 Leftist Tear Drinker Aug 02 '23 edited Aug 02 '23

Sorry to break it to you, but words are used to communicate ideas. So yeah, I used a bunch of words.

Not when you’re speaking nonsense.

Words like “race” and “gender” are also just used to communicate ideas. The shared understanding of these ideas is a social construct that changed between cultures and over time.

There was no talk about gender fluidity until the 20th century, mostly starting with John Money in the 1950s, whose findings turned out to be fraudulent. And at least some of his patients accused him sexual abuse

Gender doesn’t directly map to sex which doesn’t directly map to biology.

There is no scientific evidence that this statement is true. And in fact there is overwhelming evidence of the opposite. Show me a study not funded by an lgbtq organization that says that. Women can smell/ hear better than men, and have more attention to detail than men. Women also respect authority more as children than do boys. It has to do with the way the brain is hardwired. I can point you to a book that describes all of the differences biologically between men and women, way beyond chromosomes and reproductive organs (which are profound differences as well by the way).

“Why Gender Matters” by Leonard Sax, MD, PhD

Why Gender Matters, Second Edition: What Parents and Teachers Need to Know About the Emerging Science of Sex Differences https://a.co/d/9yXpZvo

Race doesn’t directly map to a biological marker of skin color.

I used skin color as an example. I’m aware that skin color is not the only factor.

You couldn’t even be specific in your own explanation because the concepts of gender and sex and race are not universal- even on a biological level.

This is patently false. I think I was very specific and you are making an assertion upon which there is no scientific evidence.

What is the race of these twins?

I don’t know? Mixed?

Are Italians white?

Italians are a nationality, not a race. If a black person is born in Italy that person is racially black, and also Italian. I couldn’t identify as Italian either, since I don’t live in Italy nor was I born there.

Why do different cultures recognize gender differently?

Cultures recognize gender roles differently. But for the most part almost all of the worlds cultures recognize men as defenders/hunters and women as caretakers of children and home. Of course western cultures in the mid to late 20th century began to recognize that women can also fulfill roles in society more traditionally filled by men. And I agree with that assertion. I’m a traditional feminist (really more of a TERF)

However, where I disagree is denying reality. A man cannot become a woman and vice versa any more than a man can become an orange.