r/apple • u/bsoci • Mar 20 '24

Apple reportedly ’accelerating’ entry-level Vision Pro — and it could cost $2,000 less Apple Vision

https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/vr-ar/apple-reportedly-accelerating-entry-level-vision-pro-and-it-could-cost-dollar2000-less
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u/D4rkr4in Mar 20 '24

this is where Apple has won the culture war - when it comes to privacy, Apple is most trusted while Google and Facebook are not trusted

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u/evilbeaver7 Mar 20 '24

Facebook has 3 billion monthly active users, Whatsapp has 2 billion, Instagram has around 1.4 billion, Google Chrome has 65% market share and Google search has 90%. The average person doesn't care about online privacy.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '24

The average person doesn't care about online privacy.

Apple has never sold to the average consumer, they've always marketed to a smaller but more wealthy group of consumers who may care about privacy more so than others.

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u/2muchtaurine Mar 20 '24

The iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch aren’t targeted at the average person? Are you absolutely sure about that?

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u/IceBlueLugia Mar 21 '24

Couldn’t be more untrue if you tried. Kids that are like 3 years old get given iPads nowadays. iPhones are owned by practically every average young person in America. Even back in the day, everyone had an iPod, despite its price. Apple has never had a problem being sold to the average consumer

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u/luke_workin Mar 20 '24 edited Mar 20 '24

Normal people do not care about this at all. They don’t buy into the fearmongering, they just use whatever product they want. iPhones are popular because they’re great devices and because all the kids use them, not because of privacy

normal people use Google chrome. They have a gmail account. They post everything about their life to their Facebook and instagram account. If regular people (not terminally online Reddit privacy freaks) were so concerned about privacy they wouldn’t be using those services.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '24 edited Apr 04 '24

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u/phblue Mar 20 '24

To be fair, Reddit has changed a lot over the last few years, and in my 10+ year opinion it's not be for the better

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u/pbwra Mar 20 '24

It’s mostly ad injection and UI changes to more seamlessly integrated ads, and bad content recommendation. Used to be much better, there’s still no competition for it really though (also 10+)

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u/Dracogame Mar 20 '24

To be fair, it is significantly worst and I never downloaded the app. I use Reddit WAY less now. I came back here because online news outlet got so bad that I use Reddit as a news stand.

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u/mikolv2 Mar 20 '24

A lot of people still give a fuck, you see posts about it daily and a lot of people completly stopped using reddit on mobie because there is no good way to do it anymore.

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u/IceBlueLugia Mar 21 '24

So maybe 1% of Redditors still complain. Oh no. What will Reddit do

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u/mikolv2 Mar 21 '24

Yea but 1% is 4-8 million people, that's not nobody. Sure, Reddit doesn't care but why are other redditors dismissing people's opinions like that?

It's note even 1%, estimattes had somewhere around 5-12% of users that used 3rd party apps.

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u/killerpoopguy Mar 20 '24

eddit was gonna become a wasteland because of the protests over the api change,

Most subreddits have dramatically reduced in quality and active user count, it's not quite a wasteland but there has been a massive decrease in content quality and quantity

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u/Fuzzdump Mar 20 '24

Normal people don’t buy VR headsets, though. Enthusiasts do. “Terminally online Reddit privacy freaks” are currently the core audience for this kind of tech.

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u/zold5 Mar 20 '24

Normal people do not care about this at all. They don’t buy into the fearmongering, they just use whatever product they want.

That's odd considering how much apple uses it's privacy features as a selling point. Just because redditors care about privacy does not mean the general public are completely ignorant of it.

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u/Whats_Water Mar 20 '24

We just throwing normal around loosely here huh

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u/zold5 Mar 20 '24

Normal people do not care about this at all. They don’t buy into the fearmongering, they just use whatever product they want.

That's odd considering how much apple uses it's privacy features as a selling point. Just because redditors care about privacy does not mean the general public are completely ignorant of it.

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u/zold5 Mar 20 '24

Normal people do not care about this at all. They don’t buy into the fearmongering, they just use whatever product they want.

That's odd considering how much apple uses it's privacy features as a selling point. Just because redditors care about privacy does not mean the general public are completely ignorant of it.

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u/zold5 Mar 20 '24

Normal people do not care about this at all. They don’t buy into the fearmongering, they just use whatever product they want.

That's odd considering how much apple uses it's privacy features as a selling point. Just because redditors care about privacy does not mean the general public are completely ignorant of it.

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u/zold5 Mar 20 '24

Normal people do not care about this at all. They don’t buy into the fearmongering, they just use whatever product they want.

That's odd considering how much apple uses it's privacy features as a selling point. Just because redditors care about privacy does not mean the general public are completely ignorant of it.

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u/zold5 Mar 20 '24

Normal people do not care about this at all. They don’t buy into the fearmongering, they just use whatever product they want.

That's odd considering how much apple uses it's privacy features as a selling point. Just because redditors care about privacy does not mean the general public are completely ignorant of it.

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u/zold5 Mar 20 '24

Normal people do not care about this at all. They don’t buy into the fearmongering, they just use whatever product they want.

That's odd considering how much apple uses it's privacy features as a selling point. Just because redditors care about privacy does not mean the general public are completely ignorant of it.

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u/luke_workin Mar 20 '24

Congrats you fell for the PR too

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u/zold5 Mar 20 '24

Apple is the only platform that lets me sign into apps without giving them my email but ok lol.

I love how you completely dodged the point I'm making.

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u/PhillAholic Mar 20 '24

A large number of Apple users ARE normal users.

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u/gundamfan83 Mar 20 '24

I don’t know about you, but I don’t think people who post everything about their life to Facebook and Instagram are normal. Lol

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u/puzzlepasta Mar 20 '24

Yeah.. no. Thats very typical of a normal person. Most reddit people are just more aware of privacy issues given it’s main population is americans

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u/luke_workin Mar 20 '24

It might not seem normal to you or anyone in this thread, but it really is normal behavior for most people

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u/Casual-Capybara Mar 20 '24

Normal behavior for most people is a huge stretch. In any case calling it normal people sort of invites this kind of reply, you can say the average person and even then it’s too simplistic to be useful

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u/standbyforskyfall Mar 20 '24

Yeah they're the normal people

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u/BelgianWaffleStomper Mar 20 '24

I think this is overstated.

While the relatively small subsection of tech Redditors may agree, your average consumer isn’t worried about privacy.

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u/arejay00 Mar 20 '24

Especially not for an extra $1-1.5k.

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u/BelgianWaffleStomper Mar 20 '24

Privacy is very far down the line of what your consumer bases his tech purchases off, price is quite literally #1

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u/Radulno Mar 20 '24

Marketing is number 1.

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u/__theoneandonly Mar 20 '24

Nah. Apple became a multi-trillion dollar company by proving the opposite. Consumers are willing to pay a little more for something that feels sleek, visually appealing, and premium feeling.

If price was #1 the most popular phone on the market would be the free one you get with a contract at the carrier.

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u/BelgianWaffleStomper Mar 20 '24

I mean sure, multiple factors come into play… but the most important factor into a purchase is the price.

People see something on a shelf and go “that looks cool and premium” but if they feel price is unreasonable, they most likely aren’t going to purchase it.

Now having a premium product can help people justify the price, but even then I’d argue privacy is extremely far down that list.

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u/__theoneandonly Mar 20 '24

If a high price can be justified, then by definition it’s not the number 1 factor. If the customer can justify the price that means there’s another factor that’s more important.

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u/BelgianWaffleStomper Mar 20 '24

Yeah but we’re having this discussion inside a thread where MANY people are expressing their view that the Vision Pro price is unjustifiable.

Look around, no one is saying “well if they add this I’ll buy it” or “well they gotta make sure it’s premium metal, not plastic”.

The overarching narrative here is “they have to get the price down”.

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u/Exact-Ganache-9374 Mar 20 '24

not only that - people worried about privacy wouldn't give their data to US companies in the first place (or companies in general)

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u/Mrbutter1822 Mar 20 '24

Yeah Meta quest 2 and 3 are popular products people buy and reasonable so

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u/BelgianWaffleStomper Mar 20 '24

Mhm, damn near everyone you know has a Facebook, Instagram, or Gmail account.

I doubt any of my friends or family have ever installed a password manager.

Let’s not present like most people make hardware purchases based on privacy.

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u/cigarettesandwater Mar 20 '24

Because Google and Facebook's products are YOU. Apple's is hardware you purchase every few years.

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u/Zombierasputin Mar 20 '24

Honestly with the pace of Enshittification accelerating at a rapid pace, I'm not trusting Apple to NOT start selling data at some point. Hell, you have Apple in talks with Google for buying AI.

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u/brendanm4545 Mar 20 '24

Apple will buy the rights to use google's AI but it won't share data, it will be hosted by apple and apple will pay google to use it.

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u/Zombierasputin Mar 20 '24

All I'm saying is if you think Apple is somehow immune to enshittification then I think you are very naive. They will plateau, the shareholders will demand as much value extraction from apple products and services, and boom, you're enshittified.

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u/CSedu Mar 20 '24

You're incredibly naive if you think Apple isn't already profiling you.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '24

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '24

they have an ad platform but nowhere near what google or facebook have. additionally the targeting is incredibly limited in comparison because again, apple is the only one not exploiting your data

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u/AquaRegia Mar 20 '24

You're delusional if you actually believe this.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '24

i’ve worked in digital advertising for the last four years. if apple has some multi-billion dollar complex ads targeting system on par with google and facebook, please provide me with a link :)

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '24

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '24

it’s absolutely nowhere in the same.

facebook and google are incredibly intrusive to your personal privacy, utilizing your personal data is the core part of their business. apple’s is the digital equivalent to making money by selling space on billboards.

there is a massive difference. if you can’t see that there’s nothing i can do to help you

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '24

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '24

you’re “whaddabout”ism is inherently doing that

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u/MrOnlineToughGuy Mar 20 '24

Apple will just implement anti-consumer shit constantly in order to fluff their “services” profit margins.

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u/MayTheForesterBWithU Mar 20 '24

Because Apple is not an ads company (yet) unlike Google and Facebook. It is a product and services company.

It benefits Apple to keep privacy as a unique selling proposition because the only mass-market competitor who did it better than Apple (Blackberry) has exited.