r/WAGuns • u/Gloomy_Nebula_5138 • 3d ago
SB 5099 - Protecting the public from gun violence by establishing additional requirements for the business operations of licensed firearms dealers Politics
https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?billnumber=5099&year=202554
u/Gloomy_Nebula_5138 3d ago
This bill authorizes unannounced searches and inspections of dealers by state patrol, imposes new fees on them that change based on amount of sales, allows the fees to change based on the cost to the state to conduct their inspections/certifications, adds new training requirements for dealer staff, new surveillance and lighting requirements for stores, insurance requirements for stores, enables local governments to impose stricter requirements, and more. It’s a scheme to make it difficult to operate a firearms business.
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u/merc08 3d ago
Oh cool, so they're going to start blatantly ignoring the 4th Amendment too.
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u/HWKII 3d ago
It was always coming. Once people start accepting the argument that they can’t be trusted with freedoms, they all start to go.
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u/SheriffBartholomew 1d ago edited 1d ago
Just read common sentiment on Reddit and other social media. We now live in a ban happy society. People are constantly ranting about what they want banned. It is very sad that so many Americans do not understand the concept of liberty.
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u/wysoft 3d ago
Iirc the semi auto restriction bill from a few years back originally included language that LE could demand unannounced inspection to ensure they were being properly secured.
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u/SheriffBartholomew 1d ago
Well yes. This is always how they operate. Make a bill egregious as possible to test public opinion. Remove the parts with the most pushback as a "compromise". Introduce new bills a few years later with the removed parts and pass those too.
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u/0x00000042 Brought to you by the letter (F) 3d ago
It also redefines "dealer" across the board to include both C&R holders and private sellers who sell more than 10 firearms, frames, or receivers, whether "finished" or "unfinished", in a single year regardless of whether or not they have or are required to have an FFL. Then as "dealers", they would be subject to all the requirements dealers face for most firearm laws, including these.
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u/Siemze 3d ago
So you inherit your father’s collection, try to sell off the guns you don’t want, and then have to register with the state as a dealer too? Fucking hell
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u/0x00000042 Brought to you by the letter (F) 3d ago
Among many other requirements, yes. As written this bill would have those cascading effects.
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u/SheriffBartholomew 1d ago
Well, isn't anyone who makes any profit on a gun sale mandated to get an FFL under the "gun show loophole" federal law passed last year? That was my understanding. You must always sell your guns at a loss or risk breaking the law.
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u/0x00000042 Brought to you by the letter (F) 1d ago
That's not exactly what it says. 27 CFR § 478.13:
§478.13 Definition of “engaged in the business as a dealer in firearms other than a gunsmith or a pawnbroker.”
(a) Definition. A person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business to predominantly earn a profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms. The term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of the person's personal collection of firearms...
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(d) Predominantly earn a profit—(1) Definition. The intent underlying the sale or disposition of firearms is predominantly one of obtaining pecuniary gain, as opposed to other intents, such as improving or liquidating a personal firearms collection...
I encourage reading the entirety of that section as it goes into further detail, especially on presumptions of when these conditions are met, but you are not required to sell at a loss just because you aren't an FFL. Basically the difference is are you genuinely selling something because you don't want it or need it anymore or are you just flipping guns for cash with no actual intent to keep/use/enjoy them.
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u/SheriffBartholomew 1d ago
Thanks for taking the time to share that. I feel better about it now. Idk if I was reading speculation about the law before it was written, or outright disinformation to make people angry (which worked if that's what it was). So, I do appreciate you sharing the actual wording and eliminating my misinformed ignorance.
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u/Equivalent_Memory3 3d ago
This will cause all the kitchen table FFLs to close up. They exempted to small folk from the last one, but now anyone who engages in business is now subject to their authoritarianism. Surprised they haven't tried to push for a single state run shop in Seattle that is only open one day a week which only sells smooth bore muskets.
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u/Competitive-Bit5659 3d ago
They aren’t going to limit it to just one day a week. They will have that store open every single day that doesn’t end in “Y”!
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u/FrenchCheerios 2d ago
House Bill 2118 last year already killed the kitchen table FFL's with the alarm system and 24-hour video surveillance mandate, so this is just "extra" to catch those that the previous bill somehow didn't kill.
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u/ebkbk 3d ago
If you give away the 2nd amendment the rest will follow.
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u/SheriffBartholomew 1d ago
They're already regularly violated at State and especially federal levels.
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u/Late2Vinyl_LovingIt 3d ago
Already commented on this and requested follow up from my reps. Phone calls are next.
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u/SheriffBartholomew 1d ago
Did they reply? Was it some generic "this saves lives" response?
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u/Late2Vinyl_LovingIt 21h ago
Thanks for the follow up.
Not yet but I did message them towards the end of December. I'll have to write in a call on my calendar. Thanks!
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u/fareink6 3d ago
This is what happens when y’all let liberals take over your cities.
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u/SnarkMasterRay 3d ago
Sure, I guess we should have shot every one that came in to town before they had a chance to vote. Totally obvious in retrospect how we failed to stem the flood.....
/S hopefully obviously.
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u/fareink6 3d ago
No, but for decades republicans have isolated themselves from metropolitan areas because they want to be left alone. Instead of getting involved in state, county, city legislature, they let liberals take control of major parts that help pass this type of legislation. And most stems from refusing to live in the same counties as liberals, selling off and choosing to live away.
This is the same thing that happened in Oregon.2
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u/RubberBootsInMotion 3d ago edited 2d ago
What are you on about? Firearm legislation is being pushed nationally by ultra wealthy special interest groups.
Despite being sociopaths, they aren't dumb. They saw people like Mr. Luigi coming a long time ago. Disarming the population isn't a left vs right thing, it's a rich vs poor thing like most other issues.
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u/SheriffBartholomew 1d ago
They've most certainly given it the appearance of a partisan issue, to garner automatic partisan support from people who always align with party positions. It makes the fight half as hard.
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u/sheriff1155 3d ago
I shudder to ask but, what is the likelihood of this making it to a vote?
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u/Tobias_Ketterburg CHAZ Warlord question asker & censorship victim 2d ago
Every single FFL should just close. No FFL no guns can be sold, and thus, force all this crap to court. Call their bluff.
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u/SheriffBartholomew 1d ago
That would establish precedent that there's no demand, and make things easier for them in court.
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u/CascadesandtheSound 3d ago
Meanwhile people commiting actual gun crimes are released to house arrest