r/UFOs • u/acideyezz • Jun 07 '21
“Not China or Russia”
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u/IchooseYourName Jun 07 '21
He's basically demanding that the stigma be removed so that government and military personnel can actually have the ability to report what they've recorded on sensitive instrumentation and what they've witnessed with their own two eyes WITHOUT fear of retribution. Once that happens, a flood of information will be brought forth and the damn will truly break.
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u/ucanbafascist2 Jun 07 '21 edited Jun 07 '21
Come on he’s just looking to make that sweet, sweet conspiracy money from YouTube clicks after he saw how PROFITABLE it’s been for Corbell. The director of national intelligence is just a grifter cut from the same cloth. You true believers just gonna believe this guy because you like what you hear??
Edit: didn’t think I needed to point out my sarcasm lol. Why would the DNI be grifting off YouTube clicks? Fun ee.
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u/DontLetKarmaControlU Jun 07 '21
Hey do not point fingers at me i just dislike that elizondo guy and generally anyone who has goatee is highly sus in my book
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Jun 08 '21
Very immature and disrespectful...
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u/DontLetKarmaControlU Jun 08 '21
Yes but look at the fucking goatee man it is ridicolous. The guy looks like some species of deep sea fish with some mouth apparatus
I cant focus on watching him even
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u/guhbuhjuh Jun 07 '21 edited Jun 07 '21
You're going to be downvoted hard because half this sub clutch their pearls with their beliefs. But your point is correct in that an argument from authority is not evidence. This is all talk until someone or some organization presents the goods ie. Hard evidence, and we don't have that. Yet anyway..
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u/_Stoh Jun 07 '21
You guys are beyond delusional in my opinion. If he's lying can you explain some possible motivations for such a coordinated release of this info?
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u/Shalla_if_ya_hear_me Jun 08 '21
The problem with people in these subs is that they take anyones opinion they agree with as, “info” and “fact.” You have zero ability to decipher opinions from facts, and you attack anyone who questions anything you agree with.
You act like you question everything, while in reality you question nothing; you only see what you want, while ignoring everything else. Because of this, even if someday it comes out that aliens have been visiting earth, your credibility is still at zero.
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u/guhbuhjuh Jun 07 '21
No one said he lying. Hard evidence, do you understand? Let's see the satellite data etc. I'm open to it, I'd like to see it before taking some guy at his word.
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u/IchooseYourName Jun 07 '21
This takes time. Why you folks are demanding it even before the report is delivered to congress is simply curious. What you refer to 'pearl clutchers' are folks who have been following this story for decades and truly the only reason why any of this is coming out in the first place, IMO.
Yet anyway..
Appreciate the qualifier. Most of us are in this for the long haul. A ton has changed in relatively short amount of time. If this is momentum, the future will be bright for those of us interested in the truth. I, for one, am enjoying the ride.
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u/guhbuhjuh Jun 07 '21
I've also been following the topic for decades. I just am not going to jump the gun before I see hard evidence, nor will the general public. But I remain open minded.
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u/_Stoh Jun 08 '21
It's not just some guy. It's several demonstrably connected government officials, some of whom have held roles with access to very sensitive info without even mentioning UAP stuff.
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u/Hirokage Jun 07 '21
"So we don't believe this is an optical illusion, and we know it's not our technology, or Russian or China's technology either. We know they are craft of some kind, but other than that, we have NO idea what it possibly could be."
In a nutshell...
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Yep. His statements, John Brennan’s statements and Wolsey’s statements are what everyone needs to be paying attention to.
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Watch his interview with Black Vault. (John Greenwald.) The interview was about his new book about JFK and John asked him about UFO’s and what he said was pretty amazing. The Hill article talking about all of this mentioned it too.
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u/SelectFromWhereOrder Jun 08 '21 edited Jun 08 '21
Ben Carson is a brain surgeon and look at many of his wild stuff he believes. Just because someone resume is respectable doesn’t mean trustworthiness or reliable, he may believe cooky stuff.
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u/LosingtheCovid19 Jun 07 '21
Plus the admission of satellite imagery..
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u/Pfandfreies_konto Jun 07 '21
This is the most interesting point. All these discussions about how to debunk gimble and correcting the flight speed and changes in directions will be over as soon as a sattelite gets a clear view about the flying objects.
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u/RoundEye007 Jun 07 '21
Funny how the moron interviewers never follow up on the satelite data, like 'does it depict objects in space or just on earth?"
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u/ceo_of_hooks Jun 07 '21
its tech from zimbabwe
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u/TopWoodpecker7267 Jun 07 '21
WAKANDA IS REAL
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u/79cent Jun 07 '21
ZIMBABWE FOREVER!!!
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u/lord_of_tits Jun 08 '21
I mean people are so rich there that they are all trillionaires not surprised they can afford all this tech.
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u/ObscuraArt Jun 07 '21
Wakanda Forever.
And yes, it's been proven Vibranium can do all this in Aerotech
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I'd laugh so hard I cried if that's the answer
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What in the hell are you talking about?
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u/_Stoh Jun 08 '21
The laughing so hard you'd cry if it was out of Africa. This has nothing to do with Africa and yall still find a way to shit on black people.
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u/SyntheticElite Jun 08 '21
I think you're just assuming that's what was meant. I think it would be just as funny if any relatively undeveloped nation leapfrogged the world superpowers technology 100 years ago too.
Like imagine if it was fuckin' Brazil, and they would be flying around their space ships with soccer balls and playing loud Brazilian music.
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u/subdep Jun 08 '21
Dr. Stephen Greer is convinced that they are transdimensional space craft operated by the consciousness of advanced several different alien species. Like the dude says he can straight up invite these things using meditation.
Sounds nuts but at this point it’s as good an explanation as any.
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It's pretty easy. You get a group of people together and meditate, and charge them a few grand. You then pay someone to charter a flight and drop military flares from a plane on the horizon. Once those flares are shining, instruct your devotees to "send love to the aliens". Profit $$$$
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u/lem0nyflav0r Jun 07 '21
"Is it aliens?"
"Well, it's not Russia or China..."
Oh, I guess it's fucking Canada then.
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u/stitch12r3 Jun 08 '21
We spend so much more money on the military than China or Russia - I have a hard time believing they would have this tech and we wouldn't (and for 2 decades!).
As someone who has been a UFO skeptic my entire life, after all this stuff, there's only 2 probable answers possible to me.
- Secret US tech
- aliens
Starting to lean towards #2.
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u/xole Jun 08 '21
Same. It's still very possible that it's a black program. If so, the energy source likely is extremely exciting, especially with climate change.
But...
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u/batazer Jun 07 '21
Just say it’s extraterrestrial, Jesus. They’re sure paving the pathway to that explanation, but just not confirming it. It’s very frustrating.
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u/agu-agu Jun 07 '21
The reality is probably that they just can’t figure out what these objects are. They can’t rule out that it’s theoretically earth-based and they have no hard evidence they’re arriving from elsewhere. Hence the designation as unknown objects. You need extraordinary evidence to support extraordinary claims.
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u/IchooseYourName Jun 07 '21
You also have to consider the context of that interest, otherwise the claims have no merit one way or the other.
Point of the matter is that there is no reason to believe these craft are of human origin, which is something, at this point, I believe the government is happy about, which would explain why they are willing to admit such an out of this world suggestion. Because the alternative (i.e., human origin) implies that the U.S. military has zero chance of overcoming whoever is in charge of the technology. The narrative that these are peaceful space aliens is far more preferable than "China has had the upper hand for almost 7 decades" or "China has just leaped U.S. technological progression by more than a century." It would be far more preferable to learn that a peaceful, interdimensional/intergalactic species or intelligence is monitoring us (of which there is more evidence than it being explained by China) than to learn that the U.S. is no longer capable of protecting its airspace from foreign adversaries.
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u/RoundEye007 Jun 07 '21
They have the evidence. Crashed debris, alien bodies & formal diplomacy. There is no way they are in the dark after 70+ yrs like the average joe.
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u/croninsiglos Jun 07 '21
You'd need hard evidence to give that explanation.
You can say they "might be" or "could be", but hard proof is needed to say they definitely are. Especially if such speculation might cause a panic.
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u/croninsiglos Jun 07 '21
You’d need 100% visibility into all programs globally both government and non-government.
You could then say not humans… but you still can’t definitively say aliens yet.
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u/croninsiglos Jun 07 '21 edited Jun 07 '21
Remember when Iraq had WMDs.
Intelligence services are not perfect. You cannot draw an assumption simply because of lack of evidence to the contrary.
It’s an appeal to ignorance fallacy
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u/LosingtheCovid19 Jun 07 '21
From my understanding WMDs was an intentional lie from the beginning no?
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u/croninsiglos Jun 07 '21
I believe both situations would need proof. They'd need to prove China has this or prove aliens are piloting these things.
I mean they'd still need to prove they are occupied craft in the first place, haha.
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u/IchooseYourName Jun 07 '21
The Iraq War #2 did not require proof of WMDs, right? It was completely "Shoot first, ask questions later." We relied on far less evidence of WMDs in Iraq to justify military action than what is being provided by military personnel via high grade instrumentation that corroborates eyewitness testimony.
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u/IchooseYourName Jun 07 '21
Poor example. Iraq's WMD accusation was right in line with the Gulf of Tonkin incident, justifying military retaliation.
In what context is the government drumming up support for military action as it relates to UAPs? If that were true, they would accuse a global military power of entering and exiting U.S. airspace with impunity using technology that cannot be explained. IOW, their response wouldn't be "we have no idea what these things are or who is controlling them" if this situation was similar to the intent of accusing Iraq of possessing WMDs. It would be far more in line with "We believe China has accessed a level of technology that puts other global governments in serious peril. We have evidence that they have punctured the Navy and Air Force's ability to maintain a sanitized air space. It is our recommendation to the President, and representatives in congress, that military action and economic sanctions be levied against China and its government." We are seeing almost the complete opposite of this type of context and attitude, which is truly unprecedented. Breaking that precedent is truly newsworthy and should be taken into consideration as part of a 'disclosure narrative.' Just in a hypothetical scenario where the government decides to admit to covering up the existence of extraterrestrial visitors, just how do you think it would play out? For me, the current public response by the military specific to UAPs would be one of the first steps to following the 'disclosure narrative.' What do you think?
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u/Dazzling-Economy69 Jun 07 '21
If it's not Russia or china....Could it possibly be African Technology??
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u/tomsonxxx Jun 07 '21
Could be aswell a Breakaway Civilization, could be interdimensionals who are sharing earth with us on a different "frequency"/dimension and with the ability to zoom into our physcial reality in any form they wish. Could be time traveling humans from far away in our future. Could be our creators and guardians of the earth. Could be (and probably are) the ones who have shaped human civilization with their appearances connected with events in history of christianity, islam, hinduism/vedas etc.
Anything is possible and maybe just as likely as Extraterrestrials. Or as Vallee wrote "all of it".
Maybe that is or will be the frighting part for many as this story will unfold over the next years
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Makes you really think about the origins of the Great Pyramids.
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u/iOnlyWantUgone Jun 07 '21
No, not really. The Sphinx maybe because there's some talk about it predating Egyptian culture and supposedly had it's face carved from a original lion face, but 100% the Egyptians built the Great Pyramids.
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Jun 07 '21
I mean we still don’t really know how they built them, but that is the most popular theory.
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u/Graveandinestimable Jun 08 '21
You say you are 100% certain the Egyptians built them. I was too, but then I learned the official numbers. We are supposed to believe that a civilization five thousand years ago had the ability to cut, move, and precisely place a five ton limestone block every five minutes (24/7 rain or shine), or more believably since they lacked nighttime illumination, a five ton block every 2 and a half minutes.
I’m not saying I’m right and you’re wrong, but like I’ve worked some construction before. No way. All our theories about how they cut and moved these blocks do not account for their inhuman speed. If they built them the way we think they did, it should’ve taken then so long they still shouldn’t have finished.
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u/iOnlyWantUgone Jun 08 '21 edited Jun 08 '21
We found the tools they used from quarries where they cut the stone. We found pictures of them using said tools. We found the houses they built for workers. We found hundreds of examples of them building them all over the country. We found abandoned or modified designs half way through. They had millions of people to do the labor. It's not surprising that during the period of time they where building Pyramids, the two richest and one of the Oldest Pharaohs built the biggest Pyramids. This was during a period of time that price weren't as important, they wanted status of building buildings that will last forever.
And no, the great pyramid stones are 1.5 tons on average. We even have evidence of them using an angled elevator to move the more large stones.
The Thunderstone, a 1500 ton rock, was moved using only 400 men 4 miles in 9 months in Russia. Humans, especially anicent societies were a lot smarter than people ever give them credit for.
And what, are we supposed to believe that Aliens built a structure for a Human king? nothing about the pyramid implies it was carved out after the fact. And there's torch ash in sealed off sections of the Pyramid, are we supposed to believe that Aliens used special technology to move the stones but still had the workers use TORCHES for a light source? Anti-gravity is easy but a flashlight is too much for these aliens?
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u/Graveandinestimable Jun 08 '21
The stones were not uniform. I’ve seen 5 tons and 2.5 tons used as average estimates. Bro you and I are going to talk past each other. But if the aliens come and they have footage of Egyptian humans building the Great Pyramid in 20 years I will buy you your beverage of choice.
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u/ThorsHammeroff Jun 07 '21
I really don't understand the reasoning for extradimentionals. Given what we know about physics and the number of earth-like planets in the Milky Way, it seems so much more likely that this is just advanced technology from aliens. Creating a geodesic gravity drive is something that we could conceivably do once we figure out the physics of how quantum gravity works, which is getting closer and closer. However, travelling between dimensions breaks our understanding of physics even at the cutting edge.
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u/Pfandfreies_konto Jun 07 '21
Why is it always time travelers from the future? If they are able to move near C or even faster than the speed of light it may be more plausible that they are probably from the past. A remnant of an old civilastion which died long ago in one of the ELOs?
They may have been cruising a few years near C in their point of view but the outside of their ship(s) moved on several hundred thousand or maybe millions of years. Maybe it is an Ark of some kind?
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u/stokeskid Jun 07 '21
Would they still be considered "extraterrestrial" if they were here on Earth before us? They might not have any planet but earth to call home.
If their craft are a fast as we think, and the rules of relativity apply...If they go out for a near light speed cruise to another star system - a few days for them would be years for us . So we might not see them often. But Earth could have been their home base for millennia. Maybe that's why they aren't calling them "extraterrestrials"? Just a thought.
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It could be ETI, it could be self-replicating, autonomous AI (machine life), it could be time travelers from the future, it could be interdimensional beings, it could be glimpses of us in a parallel universe, it could be a glitch in our simulation, it could be ghosts or spiritual beings, it could be God himself.
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u/GhoblinCrafts Jun 07 '21
That’s not something any government should admit without being sure, and how do you arrive at that conviction? What does it take to prove it’s extraterrestrial?
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u/batazer Jun 07 '21
Something which is outside of our technology, and has been for 70+ years
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u/GhoblinCrafts Jun 07 '21
Yep, that doesn’t mean you can claim aliens as if it’s a fact though.
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u/orthogonal411 Jun 08 '21
Yeah, part of the problem is people use "alien" to mean different things.
Some people always mean the specific definition of alien (a being from another solar system or other planet/moon in this solar system), while other people basically define alien loosely as any kind of intelligence that is not 21st century humanity as we know it... i.e., when the latter say alien, they are also including the extra-dimensional, time travel, and breakaway civilization hypotheses, among others.
This fuzzy use of language (and I am probably guilty of it, too) creates problems all the time. Some people are very attached to one or the other of the non-human origins hypotheses and get upset when someone utters the word alien in the wrong way....
Really, though, at this point I think the bottom line is that we are rapidly running out of non-incredible explanations.
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u/SCchannels1234 Jun 07 '21
Unless they have absolute evidence of that, it would a terrible approach to just claim it’s extraterrestrial. What if it’s significantly more difficult to explain than just ET, and they lead the public down the wrong path? What if the government does not have the capability to scientifically assess IDH based entities?
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u/RoundEye007 Jun 07 '21
Yeah but remember we are further down the dirt road waiting for the street of disclosure to be paved.. the average earthling is many miles away from where we are with acceptance. The fear is real.
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u/bacchikoi Jun 08 '21
They’re not saying that because THEY DON’T KNOW. Nobody is going to venture an assertion that revolutionary without evidence to support it — not just from deduction based on finite data. We would need evidence to support the actual origin, not just a lack of evidence to speculate about.
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u/Clementineinspace Jun 08 '21
Damn. I am so excited to be alive today. What an amazing ordeal we are in. I’ve waited so long for this. Gotten so discouraged with how my peers treat the subject. It just keeps going and going. I can’t wait to see what’s next Keep having those conversations with your friends and family! We are getting closer to undeniable proof
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it annoys me that they are still showing that debunked pyramid video
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u/Boonshark Jun 07 '21
Every. Single. Segment. FML.
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u/mthrndr Jun 07 '21
and the stupid batman balloon photo...I see that one all the time in these segments. The green triangle video is especially annoying as the Navy simply said "yes, we shot that video" and absolutely nothing about it being unknown...because it isn't. It's a plane, blinking like a plane.
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u/FriezasMom Jun 08 '21
Its not a batman balloon, lmao. That's so unlikely its ridiculous
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u/mthrndr Jun 08 '21
It literally looks exactly like a batman balloon that someone found online. There are threads in this very sub about it. That photo was also not the same photo that Elizondo said showed a clear unknown craft.
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u/twitterisawesome Jun 08 '21 edited Jun 08 '21
No, it is not debunked at all. All he did was show just ONE WAY that effect can be produced.
That does not prove at all that "bokeh" is the source of the visual phenomenon in the original video.
And even more importantly, if you do research on the background of the video, these UFOs were flying in formation around naval ships and then disappeared into the water.
So even if " bokeh" explains the triangle shape, in what world does a group of civilian aircraft fly in formation around naval ships and then disappear into the water?
How does "bokeh" explain that?
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u/Michael_parrier Jun 08 '21
Cut pieces of electrical tape and glue in front of the lens, leaving only a triangular opening. With that, your UFO recording device is ready.
If your camera has an aperture-controlled lens, set it to the largest aperture. That way, if you point the camera at a point of light and blur the lens, you will see a “magic” happen: the points of light become triangles, just like the flying pyramids filmed on the American coast.
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u/StreetAlternative130 Jun 07 '21
Whats even crazier is this is John Ratcliffe. A Texas Republican assigned by Trump to help run all the intelligence agencies. The way Ratcliffe speaks is interesting. There's a lot to analyze about his Fox News interviews. He clearly knows more and keeps suggesting these aren't foreign when Fox News even tries to interject other countries all the times into their topics.
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u/zurx Jun 07 '21
Maybe it's just me but this clip left me kinda terrified.
Why the fuck is this happening now? This absolutely sounds like a prelude to war or something similar. This does not bode well at all.
I just see this continuing down the path of, "It doesn't matter who or what they are, what matters is what we can do to defend ourselves in case they ever turn hostile." Where the story goes from there is... Terrifying.
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u/bplturner Jun 07 '21
That’s just Fox News. They make everything scary—not even saying this isn’t scary but they immediately jump to war. It’s their only move.
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u/zurx Jun 07 '21
True, the clip is from Fox News. But my terror really just comes from speculating about the military/government's true motives behind all the "disclosure" rumblings recently. How can they not be planning something, all about defense? I feel like we are being primed to accept something which we normally wouldn't.
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u/Cheesenugg Jun 08 '21
If this was a serious existential threat the Government would be scrambling jets, defcon 1, etc. Instead our military has had a top to bottom response of "heh thats cool I guess"
Not trying to shit on your hypothesis. I just was hoping to alleviate some stress. Its either friendly visitors, aliens waited thousands of years to kill us only decades before climate change will, or its US tech.
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u/bplturner Jun 08 '21
Oh trust me I’ve considered that they’re malevolent and it’s scary to think about. With that said, Fox News still makes everything very fearful no matter the subject.
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Jun 08 '21
That's probably why they had Ratcliffe on to begin with, he's naturally going to have an intelligence/defense perspective, but it's still spooky to hear him say it so bluntly.
After all it's not just some Fox New nitwit saying this stuff, it's the guy who used to hold the highest office in the entire intelligence community. He arguably has better credentials on the issue than a President. The implications here seem ridiculous, reality is changing fast.
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u/Youtookmywaffle Jun 07 '21 edited Jun 07 '21
Holy fuck “kung POW enter the fist” was right about the flying pyramids
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u/CSmith489 Jun 07 '21 edited Jun 07 '21
“2004”? Really? Nevermind the decades of similar sightings? People’s lives and psyches have been destroyed for speaking honestly about what they saw. This is BS, OF COURSE ITS NOT RUSSIA OR CHINA!
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u/confuseum Jun 08 '21
Space Force needs a sizeable budget in reality which will probably dwarf the other branches.
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u/RoundEye007 Jun 07 '21
The biggest shock to me lately is how theyve come out and said its not secret US black projects. If u wanted to shut up this story in one leaked memo, thata all u need to do.
They want disclosure, but done slowly. Or they are being forced to tell the truth because, maybe something out of their control will happen.
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Jun 07 '21
Please cite one source where they say that. Seems to me every time they speak they ignore that it is US Tech and the interviewer never asks the question. Also, their answers are always suspect from an attorney‘s standpoint. Their same answers could be applied to deny the quantum technology and computer chips, i.e., “we don’t really know what this technology is or how it works“. Which is technically true, because we don’t understand quantum mechanics and how that shit works, we just know it does.
Like, what the fuck is quantum tunneling? No one has a proper answer but that shit is being applied in the development of quantum computing. This shit is skunk Works technology. I would bet my ever loving soul.
Didn’t the CIA try to create rumors that the stealth bomber was a a UFO? Seems like they are just recycling the same playbook and it is kind of embarrassing at this point
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u/n8otto Jun 08 '21
If I wanted to leak misinformation to the public I bet retired/former CIA, FBI, or military personnel would be more than willing.
My money is that it's humans.
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Jun 08 '21
Totally! Another solid point! I want a bullet point these but I’m at like 20 or 25 bullet points. I can’t really understand why people don’t just assume it’s US in tech lol. This shit seems so obvious
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u/eoten Jun 08 '21
Yeah instead of using these high tech that could reach Mars way faster than rocket fuel, let's use it to fuck around with our Navy's for decades and basically do nothing else with them. This shit seems so obvious lol
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u/0ctobyte Jun 08 '21
The way the tic tac was supposedly moving means that it’s energy source could provide 10x the power of all of US nuclear facilities combined. But nah, let’s test it on US Navy personnel and put it back in the shed for 2 decades.
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Jun 08 '21
Agree, strong chance this is Lockheed and the government is saying “it’s not ours” in a legally defensible but meaningless way.
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u/ObscuraArt Jun 07 '21 edited Jun 07 '21
He's not saying it's alien you idiots. It could easily be Latveria, Genosha, or Wakanda as well.
Sheesh, just because the two other most technologically capable and wealthy militaries that still couldn't defy physics like what has been shown have been ruled out, you people default to aliens.
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u/ObscuraArt Jun 07 '21
My money is on a more convoluted idea that this is a super secret black ops vehicle and the super secret group just forgot to send the memo to the other parts of the government to shut up. Total miscommunication. Man, can't these super secret groups get anything right?
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u/jburna_dnm Jun 07 '21
I doubt the Pentagon would use this guy of all the former DNI heads in a misinformation campaign. Well ladies and Gentlemen this is possibly the closest we will get to an actual answer of what they are and what our intelligence community perceives them as. They are not ours and that is for sure. They have been witnessed for thousands of years so I’m guessing all those reports were not ours, chinas, and Russia’s either.
Being believers we are also the biggest skeptics. I think we all know the answer to this question.
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Jun 07 '21
Hot diggity damn. That's an awful lot of words to basically recreate the "it's aliens" meme.
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u/Akmagic123 Jun 08 '21
Let see what Mick West has to say now
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u/acideyezz Jun 08 '21
Haha, I love how that mother fucker seems to have an answer for every single video!
He deserves to be Promoted to a 5-Star General since he's obviously smarter than the entire Military-Industrial Complex!
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u/coolstorybro94 Jun 08 '21
I’ve never seen the government work so hard to stay away from assumptions like they do with the origin of UFOs. That alone screams a working agenda to persuade the mass to follow behind like sheep. I call bullshit on “protecting the world.” They can’t even grasp global warming but those ufos are out here to do harm to the world. In actuality they are probably like wtf are they even doing. As far as everyone knows they have never been the cause of harm to anything on this planet.
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u/eoten Jun 08 '21
Would you go live on public saying it's alien? Will people take you seriously anymore? LMAO there is no definite proof of aliens so why say it and look like an idiot?
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u/coolstorybro94 Jun 08 '21
Why are we so against the idea aliens might exist to the point you felt compelled to name call for satisfaction? Technically they could be humans from another galaxy and they would still be alien to us. 🤷🏻They assumed UFOs were from this world already… it’s China or Russia says the big guys. I don’t see how a country having this technology doesn’t seem far fetched to you. The whole thing feels far fetched like it’s just stories but it’s reality now. Why can’t they say we don’t know and call it a day. Either way I don’t ever see there being a day in my lifetime where I’ll find out. Hell we probably won’t find anything out till we also advance. Maybe this will push scientists to look outside the box of physics. We can’t keep pretending we got it all figured out. That closed minded thinking is probably why the government has been hesitant to release information. I’m sure half the world still thinks this is just false info…… …… proceed to name calling instead of explaining your ideas or theory’s. State facts to prove me wrong please. If you have some special info please share. The beautiful thing about the Internet is I can state my opinion freely even if you don’t get it 😁
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u/eoten Jun 08 '21 edited Jun 08 '21
I think you misunderstand me, I wasn't calling you an idiot, I was saying that is what the public would call a person that come out and say aliens are real. Point is, we can't make such statement until we have 100% proof that these things comes from another planet.
I'm more on the side that these things are from another world, but if I was a big official even if I believe it's alien, I would never make such statement to the public without definite proof first.
It could ruin my reputation.
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u/AKIMBO-SOUL-ASSASSIN Jun 07 '21 edited Jun 07 '21
The reason this is being brung up is because more and more sightings are happening on the regular then ever recorded. This is most likely due to the tensions between the US, China and Russia and the aliens might know that in the near future an extreme apocalyptic war may break loose and they are going to intervene.
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u/JackFrost71 Jun 08 '21
Hasn't everyone noticed all the ex intelligence and counter intelligence guys pushing this.
My advise, be skeptical. Particularly in a time of tension between the US and China, where half the fleet of the US is in the south China sea.
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u/eoten Jun 08 '21
He literally said he doesn't think it's from Enemy nation's. Let me spell it out for you he think they are crafts not from this world, of course he wont say that live on TV. Lmao Everything has to be some type of conspiracy for you people.
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u/TechieTravis Jun 07 '21
It's Zimbabwe.
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u/_Stoh Jun 07 '21
Oh I get it it's funny because africa is so shitty right? Lololol such a comedian.
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u/8365225 Jun 07 '21
You goofs just keep making assumptions and jumping to conclusions.
For the past 70 years you all have said "The US goverment is lying!! Every thing they say is a cover up and a lie! You can not believe a word the government says! LIARS!"
But now....
"Well they said its not US tech so its aliens! The government said it. They said it. Its not theirs, they said it. ITS ALIENS!
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u/witchypotato Jun 07 '21
I'm afraid they'd militarize FC, if it ever happened... that'd be a hostile first impression
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u/40moreyears Jun 07 '21
I get the excitement. But how do we know another country doesn’t possess this tech? Old example, but the Manhattan project involved over 100,000 people for years. It just seems that inter dimensional beings, time travelers, or sub-ocean beings is sooo far fetched as to be untenable. How come they let us see them if they are so high tech? And if they let us see them, why don’t they interact? Another country would avoid interaction because they want to test but not be discovered for intelligence reasons. Why would an intergalactic intelligence sneak around. Just doesn’t make sense to me.
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u/StarlightDown Jun 08 '21
Yeah, I don't get how the UFOs are simultaneously trying to stay hidden, zipping away the moment we find one (like in the Nimitz incident), while also making brazen maneuvers for several hours right over a Navy ship (like in the Omaha incident). Their behavior is incredibly inconsistent.
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u/Scantra Jun 08 '21
They're trying to provoke us into action. They want get more information on what we can do.
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u/Truth-or-Nah Jun 07 '21
Militaries sink billions if not trillions into R&D of stealth airframes, but yet somehow aliens havent figured out how to disguise themselves from radar? The chances of some of these at least being highly advanced military tech is pretty high
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u/Christion_ Jun 08 '21
Cmon this first clip is fake. I hate to burst bubbles. I’m not saying that ALL the clips are fake but this one definitely is. It’s a bokeh effect and it’s already been disproven on YouTube. It has to do with a triangular lens looking up at a plane. Which is why even the stars are triangular shape. You can even see the light flashing from the plane.
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u/bacchikoi Jun 08 '21
No one clip is relevant to this conversation. It’s there because TV producers like to have a visual to go along with the discussion. Pay attention to what matters.
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u/FartsAmplifier Jun 07 '21
This post is this community in a nutshell. Where does he, throughout the video, claims that they are not Russian or Chinese? Even at the end, he says they don't know. Stop hearing and reading only what confirms your beliefs.
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u/sendnewt_s Jun 07 '21
He says "with high confidence" that Russia and China did not have the capabilites in 2004.
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u/acideyezz Jun 07 '21
He clearly says “they didn't have those things in 2004” so what the fuck else would it mean?
You make it sound like I said “Aliens Confirmed” or some shit so stfu.
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u/charlesnutbeam Jun 07 '21
Stop choosing what not to hear to confirm your beliefs. A skeptic in a nutshell.
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u/79cent Jun 07 '21
If I were you, I'd stick to posting only one of the options below:
- It's Jupiter
- It's Bokeh
- The interviewer was asking leading questions
- It's mass hallucinations
- It's s a bug/bat/bird
- Spoof tech
- It's been debunked (Reference Mick West or Metabunk)
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u/ObscuraArt Jun 07 '21
What if it's a bat causing a mass hallucination of Jupiter?
A grounded, sensible answer that doesn't require aliens.
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u/FartsAmplifier Jun 07 '21
Those are plausible options. You only have one, i.e It is aliens. Stay gullible, we need consumers.
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u/zombiephish Jun 08 '21
I wish people would stop questioning whether or not they're Russian or Chinese.
That's the dumbest deflection they could use, and it only makes them look incompetent.
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u/RebellionBS Jun 08 '21
A device that can exceed the speed of sound instantly, become invisible, undetectable to radars and control objects remotely mmm yeah seems man craft...
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u/ZedsDead911 Jun 08 '21
I can’t find this video anywhere on YouTube or Google. Could you please share the link?
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u/RaeLien_2442 Jun 08 '21
“Ego can’t be involve.”
I think they have been involving it for the longest time. What do you think?
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u/EdisonZoeyMarlo Jun 07 '21
it’s been 70 plus years.... I don’t for one second believe they don’t know a lot more than they are telling us. they either want to get away with walking right up to the truth without committing to it or this is disclosure but it’s coming in steps which will be annoying for a lot of us but necessary in the big picture