I never believed until today

[u/Possible_Use3849]

I was outside, grabbing stuff out the car after me and my husband went shopping for our daughter. It was just me and him, of course I saw it first and he didn't so he's been busting my chops since. I saw a freaking ufo and I couldn't believe it. I didn't even have a phone. The weird thing is you could see search lights after I spotted it. It had blueish green lights and it was definitely a ufo I feel crazy but I figured I'd join here and let others know.

I'm sorry I didn't believe any of you who did before, but now I know it's real.

Time: ECT Location: Princeton NC Date: 12/27/24

Update: changes drone to ufo sorry if it was misleading! Update: https://imgur.com/gallery/art-EZZ9mtm

I drew this image above I am by no means an artist but this is what I saw.

[u/aintnothin_in_gatlin]

Ok let me say this in a more clear way. Can you show me empirical evidence of consciousness? How about the idea of beauty? What about love? Friendship?

Can’t science only prove when things aren’t true? Some would say that. So…can we prove that there is NO other life in the hundreds of billions of galaxies

[u/Mammoth_Elk_3807 → u/aintnothin_in_gatlin]

It’s called materialism, my dude.

Non-human animals exhibit consciousness, demonstrate preferences for certain aesthetic forms, display affection, and form voluntary social associations.

Because they have brains and, arguably, nascent minds + the beginnings of genuine sentience/sapience.

So, yeah, there’s that.

Then, there’s the three R’s of scientific integrity: Replicability, reproducibility, and robustness.

You’re making a claim about material reality. It’s your obligation to justify that claim with the provision of corroborating data.

Or it’s “leprechauns exist until you prove they don’t” world.

Numerous Bayesian statistical analyses have been published in high impact journals over the last two years that very plausibly demonstrate/argue that it’s highly probable that we’re the only technological civilisation currently extant in the Milky Way Galaxy.

Google Scholar is entirely free.

[u/aintnothin_in_gatlin → u/Mammoth_Elk_3807]

What claim did I make?have you researched telepathy and autism?

[u/Mammoth_Elk_3807 → u/aintnothin_in_gatlin]

That it’s somehow “more rational” to assume that UFOs evidence extraterrestrial visitation than not… but only through implication. Natch! lol

[u/aintnothin_in_gatlin → u/Mammoth_Elk_3807]

I asked for someone to look up empirical evidence. There is no claim there, unless you’re seeing someone else’s comment and assuming it’s mine.

Regardless, to each their own

[u/Mammoth_Elk_3807 → u/aintnothin_in_gatlin]

Yes, and I responded quite comprehensively to all of your asks and received no substantive reply.

I reiterated the most central precept of any/all scientific research. That’s an answer.

You evaded.

Again, how does your “evidence” meet even the most rudimentary empirical standard?

I’m really not trying to be combative or contrary! I’m a huge fan of science fiction and am entirely open to these sorts of discussions. However, they needed to be grounded in reality.

[u/aintnothin_in_gatlin → u/Mammoth_Elk_3807]

Awesome - that’s all I asked for. Simply asked questions but made no claims at all. Have a great day!

[u/DrAuer → u/aintnothin_in_gatlin]

We aren’t talking about abstract concepts though. Everything you listed is a concept and not a reality. We are talking about actual life and physical object. Things that can be empirically proven if they are happening.

You are saying that without a shadow of a doubt you know these things are happening. To back up extraordinary claims you need extraordinary proof and so far all I’ve seen is rumors and hearsay.

I’m a believer in the possibility of life from other worlds but so far nothing I’ve seen here is any different than the random “sightings” we’ve gotten for years that contain no real proof of anything. Everything contradicts each other and the government officials with stories all seem to be 3rd hand stories or guys in their 80s who have partially lost it.

[u/aintnothin_in_gatlin → u/DrAuer]

I get what you’re saying…but I guess my thought is if something is happening, it can be empirically proven by directly observing and documenting it through sensory experiences. This is all I do in my work,daily. I work in healthcare so it’s clearly different but empirical evidence can absolutely be “proven” by observing. You can gather empirical evidence by simply seeing, hearing, or measuring the event as it occurs.

I’m not trying to argue with anyone. For what it’s worth, I didn’t claim anything. I simply asked someone to look up what empirical evidence is and come back lol

[u/DrAuer → u/aintnothin_in_gatlin]

I’m literally a social science researcher observing and recording empirical research is what I do too which is why this is sticking in my craw.

You CAN do that but what we are seeing here is not that. A blurry picture of lights in the sky is not empirical evidence of anything. A story told by a guy to an another guy who says it to a congressional hearing is not empirical evidence. First hand accounts of things can be but when they contain nothing to measure or benchmark it by it’s the same level of evidence as someone saying the earth is flat because they can’t see a curve. Sure that is technically evidence against a round earth but it misses any actual measurement or context that it’s effectively useless.

[u/Mammoth_Elk_3807 → u/DrAuer]

Yeah, high energy biophysicist here, lol, these people really don’t understand empirical rigour.

[u/aintnothin_in_gatlin → u/DrAuer]

I’m glad you literally do that, seems like my ask of someone to report back about what empirical evidence is…really chapped your cheese

[u/Mammoth_Elk_3807 → u/aintnothin_in_gatlin]

I responded comprehensively and you deflected, lol.