r/UFOs • u/KOOKOOOOM • Mar 06 '24
Does the purported involvement of the CIA’a Office of Global Access (OGA) in the Alaska UFO recovery mean the CIA is the real life MiB? Compilation
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u/Traveler3141 Mar 06 '24
I'll say it again; let's all NOT murder the neighbors when they come around to visit.
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u/Greyh4m Mar 06 '24
Right there with you.
WHY THE FUCK ARE WE SHOOTING DOWN UFO'S ?!?!
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u/TheMooner Mar 06 '24
Maybe they know what they are
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u/Childishjakerino Mar 06 '24
Or maybe the people who pulled the trigger didn’t know it was ufo and the fear surrounding adversarial technology made them do it? I wish there was more transparency here.
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u/Weedy_gonzaless Mar 06 '24
Maybe they know what they are
They know exactly what they are, that’s why they are shooting them down. So they can exploit the technology and make trillions.
God damn greedy fucking fucks!
I hope they all get fed into a wood chipper feet first. 😡
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u/Childishjakerino Mar 06 '24
If you have investigated enough you’d know the private sector is the only one rxploiting the tech and making trillions. The government isn’t for profit. If anything look where congress and presidents invest. That’s where personal wealth is made. All money in government is public data because it’s our tax dollars. I get your rage and sentiment. And you’re kinda right. But there’s always a chance this is bad aliens. Or bad adversarial tech. Or maybe you’re right. Or maybe it was military people pulling the trigger without authority of someone in the know. coulthart said the US messed up bad and almost caused issue. IIRC it was in response to this incident. But I do not know for certain.
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u/codprawn Mar 10 '24
What evidence is there of reverse engineering? There is nothing truly new or unique out there. With every piece of technology you can trace the steps of progress over many years. I have yet to see any new invention that is truly new and mind blowing.
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u/Far-Significance2481 Mar 06 '24
It's the North America government they shoot any thing that moves and they don't understand this isn't limited to non humans it's human beings as well ( I'm mean the government and government agencies here not the citizens ).
It's usually about money and multinationals making money.
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u/Jahya69 Mar 06 '24
Because they know who and what they are and they are probably hostile
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u/Weedy_gonzaless Mar 06 '24
Or the recovered tech is extremely valuable.
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u/BackOnReddit_Again Mar 06 '24
This is the answer, I think. Shooting them down is playing with fire, but someone has decided the wreckage is worth the risk
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u/Simply_Nova Mar 06 '24
Well they probably see this the way we see going on a safari and getting mauled to death by a lion. Like you can’t really blame the lion for killing you, you’re the one encroaching on its territory.
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u/stank_head Mar 06 '24
Was probably gifted new tech, just gotta shoot it out of the sky like some loot box to acquire it. Shit prolly happens all the time it’s just we caught’em with their pants down
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u/adamhanson Mar 06 '24
Yes we are the lion. All power and bluster. Then a higher tech comes in and one-shots us from space. King of the splatter field.
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u/Simply_Nova Mar 06 '24
I mean yeah that’s how it’s always been since the dawn of time. Big fish eat small fish. It’s a scary thought. We’ve been so used to being the dominant species that we’ve yet to really understand what it’s like when a higher power comes in and says it’s their turn to rein.
If we are being visited by aliens, we won’t be mutuals.
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u/Commercial_Duck_3490 Mar 06 '24
Thing is we detect UFOs in our airspace all the time and don't shoot them down? So maybe the question is what did this thing do to be shot down? The aliens aren't dumb they know we will defend ourselves as I'm sure they defend their planet.
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u/HopDropNRoll Mar 06 '24
For real, imagine our next steps if we encounter a civilization that shoots at us. Now imagine our tech is 2000 years ahead of the civilization that shot at us. Now imagine a billion years…
(Edited to fix typo)
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u/Sufficient_Peak564 Mar 06 '24
I mean it literally already happens here. Look up what happens if you attempt to visit the North Sentinel Island inhabitants. 😂 Quite literally the same scenario.
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Mar 06 '24
Except we leave them alone and aren’t actually trying to invade them. If that happens, we are fucked.
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u/Sufficient_Peak564 Mar 06 '24
No, people try going on to the island all the tjme. Most recently a missionary from Utah thought he could bring them god and they'd accept him. He went and did a couple runs where he dropped off food and supplies as an introduction. They shot arrows at him, yet he still was adamant about his mission. On the final day, he went back and eventually got killed with arrows and spears. 😂 I'm telling you, it's the same scenario. Lol
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u/ldc21_ Mar 06 '24
Why not? If these are extraterrestrial beings, they know they are in a planet inhabited by potentially hostile beings. They should know they would be attacked, unless they are completely clueless. And if they were to be hostile, I imagine we would know by now.
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u/FlaSnatch Mar 06 '24
Yeah? Tell that that to the cow who had his jaw, genitals and anus removed with laser precision, in addition to having his blood drained.
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u/phdyle Mar 06 '24
Laser precision? Laser? Precision?
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u/FlaSnatch Mar 06 '24
A figure of speech, not literal.
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u/phdyle Mar 06 '24
So.. the genitals and the anuses were NOT removed with laser precision? Just chopped off roughly?
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u/FlaSnatch Mar 06 '24
No all cuts made with precision.
https://modernfarmer.com/2021/03/lets-talk-about-cattle-mutilations/
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u/adamhanson Mar 06 '24
Agreed. But what if they’re not neighbors but invading species that have done horrible things to us for decades or hundreds of years. Maybe we’re finally able to shoot back
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u/Trynda5 Mar 06 '24
That could be the right approach before the Roosevelt events. At this point, I am pretty sure that they know which ones are to be shot at and which ones can be left alone.
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u/aryelbcn Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24
Quotes from ABC reporting on the Alaska object on February 2023:
https://abc7chicago.com/unidentified-object-high-altitude-shot-down-over-alaska-ufo/12801361/
The object, which officials have not characterized as a balloon, was shot down at 1:45 p.m. EST, according to Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder, who said recovery teams are now collecting the debris that is sitting on top of ice in US territorial waters.
Some pilots said the object "interfered with their sensors" on the planes, but not all pilots reported experiencing that.
Some pilots also claimed to have seen no identifiable propulsion on the object, and could not explain how it was staying in the air, despite the object cruising at an altitude of 40,000 feet.
On Friday, Ryder said it was traveling north east across Alaska. He declined to provide a physical characterization, only saying that it was "about the size of a small car" and "not similar in size or shape" to the Chinese surveillance balloon
"We're calling this an object because that's the best description we have right now," Kirby said.
The Alaska National Guard and units under US Northern Command, along with HC-130 Hercules, HH-60 Pave Hawk, and CH-47 Chinook are all participating in the effort to recover the object, Ryder said.
"While I won't go into specifics due to classification reasons," Ryder said, "I can say that we have located a significant amount of debris so far..
So a year later no photos or explanations about what it was, despite having located the debris. It's infuriating.
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u/spacedwarf2020 Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24
IDK someone mentioned or said (tried looking through). But, does anyone remember the image that was tossed I believe around on here sometime back (maybe weeks or months) or a tic tac cylinder shaped object blown open in the snow (like alaska...) and I could be remembering wrong. I think it was two images.
But if I remember is was quickly kinda labeled fake unknown whatever and gone.
Just wondering if those maybe fit with this puzzle and might actually be something?
EDIT - Found it https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/114ti19/alleged_photo_of_downed_prudhoe_bay_alaska_object/ did some searching for the image. Mess with it more later maybe (as far as looking around the web). But looking back at this image and stuff around the web at the time. But completely unsure if this was debunked etc. Figured since on the topic lol that was one imagine that came back into my head.
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u/RonJeremyJunior Mar 06 '24
Yeah, I remember seeing it. I think the arguments against it were AI generated or plane parts crashed in the snow. It definitely looked like the tic-tac, but I have no idea if it was real. I vaguely remember someone calling it Thoth or something. idk.
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u/spacedwarf2020 Mar 06 '24
Yeah other thing (super quick so not really any time invested) I reverse searched the image and looks like different versions at the time of the photo?
A blurry one (that looks more real imo) I had see and some that look like this Enhanced.
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u/TheEschaton Mar 06 '24
the debris located that you're quoting from that article had to do with the Chinese Spy balloon, not the deadhorse object.
Believe me when I say I totally think they found it and are lying. I just know that quote you're using refers to the Chinese balloon.
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u/aryelbcn Mar 06 '24
It literally says so in the article:
The object, which officials have not characterized as a balloon, was shot down at 1:45 p.m. EST, according to Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder, who said recovery teams are now collecting the debris that is sitting on top of ice in US territorial waters.
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u/TheEschaton Mar 06 '24
You're correct, that quote is dealing with the deadhorse object, and it's a reason to believe they're lying now when they say they never found anything: they are contradicting themselves.
Your first comment, however, did not quote that. Your first comment quoted this:
"While I won't go into specifics due to classification reasons," Ryder said, "I can say that we have located a significant amount of debris so far..
That quote is from the same article, but under the subheading "No apparent connection to the chinese balloon, where it becomes clear that in context, he was talking about the original chinese balloon:
Officials have given no indication so far that the object is at all related to the Chinese surveillance balloon downed last weekend, debris of which is still being recovered on the Atlantic Ocean floor.
Ryder said Friday that recovery teams have "mapped the debris field" and are "in the process of searching for and identifying debris on the ocean floor."
"While I won't go into specifics due to classification reasons," Ryder said, "I can say that we have located a significant amount of debris so far that will prove helpful to our further understanding of this balloon and its surveillance capabilities."
When asked Friday if lessons learned about China's balloon assisted in detecting the object shot down over Alaska, Ryder said it was "a little bit of apples and oranges."
The object did not appear to have any surveillance equipment, according to a US official, which would make it both smaller and likely less sophisticated than the Chinese balloon shot.
As an aside to our conversation, it's intriguing that he said it's "a little bit of apples and oranges" - the implication being that the deadhorse object really had nothing to do with being a balloon.
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u/aryelbcn Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24
In any case, it's naive to believe that they still don't know what the object was and that they didn't collect any debris.
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u/TheEschaton Mar 06 '24
Absolutely. But you owe it to ufology to make sure you get your quotes straight, and I helped you. You're welcome.
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u/Bobbox1980 Mar 06 '24
They shot down rick sanchez's ufo the bastards.
Seriously though, what kind of person, what kind of moral code does biden have to shoot down a craft that had not attacked anyone?
This militant bs is repugnant.
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u/Ego-_--Death Mar 06 '24
They should actually be shooting some of these things down more often, like the Chinese spy balloons which go over the states often.
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u/Bobbox1980 Mar 06 '24
China and russia have satellites that fly over the usa, what is the difference? A balloon is just closer to earth.
I am reminded of bigfoot stories where the first thing the yokel does is get his shotgun and shoot at bigfoot.
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u/deletable666 Mar 06 '24
You cannot seriously think that a satellite can collect as high quality of an image and intercept radio signals from 400 miles up as a balloon could from 60,000 feet.
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u/Ego-_--Death Mar 06 '24
Satellites do exist that is true, if it was a cool UFO then it shouldn't have been shot down lol.
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u/FlaSnatch Mar 06 '24
Are you joking? You’re making this moral judgement with so little information?
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u/Bobbox1980 Mar 06 '24
They did not report that it had been attacking aircraft, it was just flying around and was the size of a car.
I cant believe all the downvotes i got on this. You would think a ufo forum would not be in favor of military force and nationalism.
Makes me wonder if it is the boys at eglin.
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u/FlaSnatch Mar 06 '24
I’m not sure why you’re analyzing this based on spin. I’m simply suggesting you, nor I, have all the details, so how can you make a moral judgement?
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u/Bobbox1980 Mar 06 '24
You are right, I don't know all the details. Considering all the dirty bs our country has done in its past from cointelpro, the vietnam war, the CIA's heart attack gun, the 2nd gulf war, you will have to excuse me if I don't just trust those in charge of the country.
I am really surprised at all the downvotes. All this blind faith in our leaders despite all of the historical record of our country pointing us to not trust them.
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u/VolarRecords Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24
My dad was in the military and in 2008 while stationed in Afghanistan saw a triangle craft only viewable in night vision along with the three other guys in his helicopter. When they returned to base, he said there were already men there in uniforms he didn’t recognize waiting for them. All four men were separated and ordered to give statements. He said the whole thing was incredibly bizarre.
Funny enough, he was working in Fairbanks when this all happened. I texted my parents about this story, and my mom stepped outside from their dinner with two members of the Air Force while doing some stuff in Florida. She told me the two service members were talking about catching something radar doing some pretty wild stuff.
Also, my dad knows a lot about F-35s, and when that one went missing back in September, he said that was also incredibly strange because they’re built to park themselves if anything happens.
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u/KOOKOOOOM Mar 06 '24
Wow, thank you for sharing.
I'm speculating of course, but I'd guess the UFO program possibly run by the CIA now has the capacity to track UFOs worldwide. I wonder if they see one over Iran for example do they go into enemy territory to recover it? Like I'd assume at that point it's not just about the UFO secrecy, you also don't want adversaries reverse engineering this tech. 🤔
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u/Internal_Mail_5709 Mar 06 '24
JPALS is only on carriers / aas and not quite sure it functions after an ejection IIRC.
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u/grey-matter6969 Mar 06 '24
The footage of military air traffic around the apparent "crash site" is compelling.
This was an extremely high priority operation and it is virtually certain that some high value material was recovered. This was NOT a hobby balloon, or a meteorological balloon.
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Mar 06 '24
Former Air Force here. Those two helicopters were being aerial refueled. If a tanker is in theatre flying around that means they plan on being there a while or they have a long way to go. They looked like KC-130's.
The plane doing circles at altitude may have been an E3 AWACS. They have several up in Elmendorf AFB in Alaska. They could be dispatched from there. When in theatre they provide some akin to Air traffic control. The E3 has a radar on it that can track pretty much anything and manage air traffic control.
The big one flying away looked like, and sounded like a C-5 Galaxy. That would have more than enough space in it to carry away a car sized craft, or several large pieces of debris.
Sounds like someone saw something on ground radar. They dispatched interceptors. Pilots confirm something really weird is up there. Might be a prize. Pres auth'd a shoot down. OGA kicks into gear. AF dispatches E3 and tankers for strategic and tactical support, and sends a C-5 to carry away the remains.
Helo's were for surveillance and close range support of whomever went in on ground to see what it was.
That was many millions of dollars consumed right there. None of that happens without a damn good reason.
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u/TheMightyGamble Mar 06 '24
Just a note but a C-5 can carry things much larger than what would be considered car sized. Such as multiple aircraft at once or even a Chinook with room to spare.
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u/Beardygrandma Mar 06 '24
Holy shit, UFOs aside, our own 'mundane' engineering is just astounding. Look at that fucking beast!!!
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u/TheMightyGamble Mar 06 '24
If you ever get the chance to see them take off it's unreal since they look way too massive to ever have a chance of leaving the ground and just kind of slowly lumber into the sky. Highly recommend.
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u/KOOKOOOOM Mar 06 '24
Thank you for the insight. I wonder how they managed the debris collection with consideration to what they could land on the ice. Wondering if due to restrictions on landing a big plane on ice, they used the helos for that, or may be at night they tethered the downed craft to the helos to move it somewhere to then be loaded onto the bigger planes. 🤔
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u/OneDimensionPrinter Mar 06 '24
Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us plebs. I don't have the courage to ask my ex-military family members for their thoughts :/
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u/getouttypehypnosis Mar 06 '24
They made it pretty clear that it's not a hobby balloon or meteorological balloon. Publicly since the beginning they said it wasn't either of those. In fact nobody believes it was a balloon.
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u/Origamiface2 Mar 06 '24
Towards the end Biden suggested the IC's assessment is that they were likely hobbyist balloons. He stopped short of saying that they were, but heavily suggested so.
They must have been some insanely dope and robust balloons, since they had to be taken down with missiles and imagery of them is classified to oblivion forever.
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u/FlaSnatch Mar 06 '24
I don’t think this is accurate. You’re referring to an aggregate theory of the three other objects we tracked on that occasion that were not the Chinese spy balloon. In the case of the Alaska object the pentagon was consistent in its cryptic detailing of the “unidentified object”
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u/Origamiface2 Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24
How is it not accurate. Yes it was an aggregate theory. Biden did not differentiate between the Deadhorse object and the other objects. One of the final statements on the matter before it was pretty much swept under the rug was him giving the IC's assessment that they were "most likely" balloons. The Pentagon had been cryptic about Alaska UAP until that point.
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u/Rownwade Mar 06 '24
Genuine question....
Does anyone w military experience know why the photo w the black hawks looks like they're tethered to the c-130? Refueling? Same time? Seems odd.
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u/SynergisticSynapse Mar 06 '24
That’s not true. Plenty of USAF UH60s have refueling booms. It’s not just 160th.
Proof: https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104508/hh-60g-pave-hawk/
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u/SynergisticSynapse Mar 06 '24
Eielson AFB is just outside of Fairbanks, AK so maybe they came from there?
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u/RushThis1433 Mar 06 '24
It is not standard procedure and my best guess is due to some extenuating circumstance not typically encountered during a normal planned operation or something else unexpected happened that required them to fuel up quickly before the 130 returned to base. Maybe someone with more specific details can answer this more specifically.
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Mar 06 '24
Just the description alone of a SUV sized "cylindrical" metallic silver object tracks with so many UAP cases(the silver "tic tac" shape) The Pentagon itself released 3 images a fighter pilot took dubbed "ACORN" in 2021, showing metallic silver objects; then the Pentagon released the Mosul Orb video. Strangely Sean Kirkpatrick supported this video of a metallic spherical orb captured by drone footage. So the US govt is ok with *some* UAP object video being released. And they sure as hell were ok with the "Chinese spy balloon" footage of it being shot down, picked up in the water, analyzed in a hanger, etc. The whole cover story everyones bought into that the US govt was "embarrassed" their NORAD fighter jets used $400k missiles to shoot down hobby balloons makes no sense.
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u/Different_Mess_8495 Mar 06 '24
Dude put your tinfoil hat away, clearly there was a swamp gas leak and they went there to investigate. Nothing to see here folks.
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u/oswaldcopperpot Mar 06 '24
Virtually everyone with the ability to think critically knew this. Especially since all the early leaks are basically the exact same story. The thing is, I don't think the FIRST balloon was from China, just something cooked up by the CIA.
ESPECIALLY, since they got someone on record from China to take credit for it. Like WTF?! they would never do that.
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u/ArmChairAnalyst86 Mar 06 '24
China has flown numerous balloons since. It's possibly related, but to say it's not something China does often is false. Taiwan deals with them weekly and they look similar.
The other objects? No idea. Not the same tho for sure. That was a CRAZY week of action and photos. I'm still not sure what was real. Internet is a wild place these days.
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u/rscmcl Mar 06 '24
If you google Office of Global Access you can get this interesting profile
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u/Internal_Mail_5709 Mar 06 '24
" ...and program manager overseeing the end-to-end system acquisition of an innovative new source and method for the Intelligence Community."
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u/KOOKOOOOM Mar 06 '24
This is not new information, but I thought it’d be worth compiling together as a single post.
In the February 7th, 2024 episode of the Need to Know podcast, Mr. Coulthart cited sources in the Pentagon: “The Pentagon tracked the Alaska object, confirmed that it was a silver cylindrical UAP, and not a balloon. The President, Joe Biden, ordered the shootdown and multiple assets were involved with the recovery, HC-130, F-16s for cover, and [CIA’s] OGA black helicopters.”
The purported involvement of the CIA’s Office of Global Access “black helicopters” corroborates earlier reporting by the Good Trouble Show and the Daily Mail on OGA’s involvement in UAP recoveries.
Also, the aircraft mentioned by Mr. Coulthart’s sources match the aircraft sighted by the eyewitness in Alaska who posted videos in February 2023 showing the same aircraft circling the area for days.
Sources:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFvXyOiUiZ0
https://www.youtube.com/@ThomasLees
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/14chdtw/deleted_video_from_youtuber_who_witnessed_the/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elleMzHACg8
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/17mh5ki/ufo_mystery_over_the_arctic_circle_is_the/
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Mar 06 '24
Coulthart and Christopher Mellon saying sources told them there was anomalous UAP activity in that exact Deadhorse Alaska spot being observed by military jets for days, is quite striking(from a few months ago on NewsNation)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSbeXLf4rFs and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxDYWh6FAfw
Just that CNN clip of that reporter talking about fighter jet censors being messed with is wild. Silver metallic and cylindrical sounds like a classic, or "metallic tic tac". No way this was all over a "hobby weather balloon" shot down. The story that a lot of the UFO community and everyone bought, that the US government was embarassed that $400k sidewinders were wasted on hobby balloons makes no sense...least with the Deadhorse AK case. If it was foreign tech, wouldnt they have paraded it around like they did the week prior with the "Chinese spy balloon"? With the bin Laden Seal Team 6 raid May 1st 2011, the Pentagon allowed the report of a super secret stealth helicopter used by the team that crashed into bin Laden's compound(recovered by Pakistan authorities and given to China to reverse engineer)
Pentagon released 3 photos in 2021 taken by a fighter pilot, dubbed the "ACORN" photos showing a metallic object. There was also the Mosul metallic orb sphere drone footage the Pentagon released a couple years ago. So the govt is well aware and ok with releasing *some* NHI UAP tech images and videos...but the Deadhorse Alaska Feb 2023 object has been memory holed.
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u/Origamiface2 Mar 06 '24
It's funny because what Coulthart acted like was breaking info had already been out since last year, including plane types. Only new detail is that some helis were OGA.
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u/MrCuntacular2 Mar 06 '24
Have been for nearly 8 decades. No checks and balances for their operation. Anything goes under the guise of national security.
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u/TheRealSpanktacular Mar 06 '24
The CIA was born out of the OSI. The OSI operated during world war II. World war II ended in 1945. We are only now approaching 70 years since the end of world war II. There is no way the CIA has been operating for 80 years.
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u/auderita Mar 06 '24
It would be helpful to get an update on the other two shoot-downs on the mainland. Since we're hearing so much about this one in Alaska, makes me wonder if they are attempting to divert our attention away from the others.
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u/MrCuntacular2 Mar 06 '24
Massive shoutout to Mr. Coulthart in his diligence in steadily reporting to keep certain topics in forefront amidst the governmental shithousery at play
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u/adamhanson Mar 06 '24
Holy cats. I thought the footage from the Alaska. Guy was lost. Good deal!!
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u/KOOKOOOOM Mar 06 '24
Credit goes to the people that have preserved it in followup posts. We need an AI that automatically archives everything that get posts online on this topic. 🫤
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u/netzombie63 Mar 06 '24
Their job is to acquire ANYTHING that isn’t ours which includes assets from other countries. I believe they are the modern day recovery team that was Project Moondust/Blue Fly.
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u/n0v3list Mar 06 '24
Let’s just say they control the narrative and always have. They are currently doing it right now. Find those connections and question what they are saying.
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u/SabineRitter Mar 06 '24
https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/164s6oc/apparent_leaked_footage_of_the_uap_shoot_down/
Try this post, is that the one you remember?
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u/lunar-fanatic Mar 06 '24
# 1953 CIA Robertson Panel: The result, Professor McDonald says was that a recommendation was attached to the panel's report, deriving from the Central Intelligence Agency but never fully made public, urging a systematic "debunking" of the flying saucers in order to "reduce public interest in them".
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u/Visible-Locksmith-44 Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24
Well, thinking about it, it’s not completely strange if the CIA was involved. After all, this happened at the same period in which the Chinese spy balloon was taken down. So it’s only logical that if they downed something not knowing what it was, assuming it could be drone like spying for another country, likely China, what agency would you want to investigate. Probably your own intelligence agency would be the one to scramble and to collect. Only interesting is what they actually found. Some kind of surveillance craft of an adversary or something different at all.
The reason why they probably shot at it and found it in the first place is that every radar and surveillance site was on high alert because of the spy balloon and the criticism that it was left alone way too long. It was an embarrassment. If I remember correctly they stated that they fine tuned radars etc, capturing way more intrusions then normal, most of them drones. Big question remains, what did they shoot down.
It could have been a bad day for ET when everyone was on high alert and trigger happy. Just being in the wrong spot at the wrong time. Now taking the big leap and assuming it was something non-human, how the hell can we shoot this down. You would assume that something simple as an air-to-air missile wouldn’t be a threat for something as advanced as anything otherworldly/dimension.
Maybe they indeed shot something, thought they took it down, but never recovered anything (hence the silence around it because there’s nothing to show). Other simple explanation would be that they downed something and actually was something human but non US. You wouldn’t want to make that public too because it would be admitting that you were technologically leaped in a very big way. The complete silence after being specific you shot down something cylindrical is very suspicious. We could be sure of two things. At least it was a threat or it’s something that’s needs to be kept secret. It’s not something mundane as a hobby balloon or similar otherwise they would have shown it for sure.
Last hypothesis: they shot down their own multibillion reverse engineering project. That would ruffle some feathers.
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u/KOOKOOOOM Mar 06 '24
The point about fine-tuning their instruments following the Chinese balloon incident is particularly interesting.
This is the whole reason the Alaska event was inadvertently made public in the first place imo. Meaning, general conventional military people likely widened their parameters and noticed all these objects flying around which they hadn't previously thought to include, likely because they didn't display conventional flight characteristics.
That's to say, while the UFO program or MiB may have always had the ability to detect these craft, the people that first picked up this Alaska object, shot at it, and made it public may have not even been aware of the existence of the program.
But once it happened the MiB swooped in and took control of the situation and manufactured the almost immediate media silence.
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u/Not_Effective_3983 Mar 06 '24
I spoke with Joe Biden over ice cream and he said he doesn't believe in balloons
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u/KOOKOOOOM Mar 06 '24
For the presidential debates, the candidates should be made to eat ice cream so they can keep their cool. 🍦😋
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u/Not_Effective_3983 Mar 06 '24
Or to see who looks like a lizard licking ice cream and who looks like a human being?
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u/KOOKOOOOM Mar 06 '24
Their campaigns will definitely do research to see which ice cream flavors will do better with which voters lol
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u/Internal_Mail_5709 Mar 06 '24
Over under on being presented traditional icecream cones and one or both pull out spoons?
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u/Merpadurp Mar 06 '24
You should circle back to him periodically, if you know him better just that capacity.
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u/blossum__ Mar 06 '24
Is this the first time that he knows of, that a brief has been withheld?
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u/ItsOkILoveYouMYbb Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24
At the very least, it would mean portions of the CIA are the real life MiB, yes (though sadly not like the MiB movies).
It is likely wrapped up in Department of Energy hierarchies as well, to make use of their nuclear secrecy classification system arbitrarily.
This is one of many facets of letting the military industrial complex get out of hand, that the US and its people were warned about.
Your shadow government forms around these entities that are shielded from public oversight, no voting is involved, and there is no end to service terms. Since they have to answer to no one, not even the president or anyone else, this allows for decades long secrecy on UFOs/UAPs, the existence of aliens on this planet already, unrelenting propaganda and disinformation and stigma machines, and who knows what else.
If these institutions didn't have this power, all of this would have already been public knowledge long before you or I were even born, and we'd be on a very, very different timeline where oil and gas had been made obsolete outside of lubrication and cooking food. We'd likely already have budding colonies across our solar system and could realistically start space mining, if these recoveries had been made public knowledge. Industries surrounding reverse engineering recovered UAP would likely be the biggest careers and best opportunities, rather than tech/software being the biggest (and it would have been interesting to see how tech would have been influenced by this point).
Flying across the planet would take no time at all, and would likely be very cheap because of it. Cruise ships could be done in the sky, or even in space. Obviously the accelerated warming of the climate would have been long reversed by now if we had made all this other old tech obsolete by what we've recovered. It's possible we could have even avoided the global plastic pollution as anything that couldn't be recycled could very easily be ejected into space or the sun or anywhere else with this tech, rather than being shipped to China as "recyclables" then subsequently dumped into the ocean because it can't be recycled.
We're on the worst possible timeline.
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u/KOOKOOOOM Mar 06 '24
All good points. Thank you for your comment. It's truly a crime against humanity how much the overall consciousness and technological development of humanity has been held back due to maintaining this secrecy. 😔
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u/AngrySuperArdvark Mar 06 '24
Dude, i get that he has to protect sources, but what even is the point if we are just hearing from one guy? Might aswell be fan fic.
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u/FlaSnatch Mar 06 '24
So you think it’s just one guy who forms Coulthart’s opinions? I understand he quotes one guy, but you honestly believe that one source he’s quoting comprises the totality of Coulthart’s full information on the subject?
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u/Huppelkutje Mar 06 '24
So you think it’s just one guy who forms Coulthart’s opinions?
I think he's just making it up as he goes.
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u/wowy-lied Mar 06 '24
To be honest, at this point it is even pretty clear that Grusch "sources" are corbell, lue and greer...
This is a circle jerk of people self referencing each other and thus increasingly pushing for what they believe when they actually have zero evidences to back their claims.
This is going to end in a nothing burger.
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u/they_call_me_tripod Mar 06 '24
Thinking that, at this point, makes less sense than aliens. Something is obviously going on. It isn’t a few people all lying to each other. Cmon.
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u/El-Capitan_Cook Mar 06 '24
You actually buying into that delusional psychopath's theory from the New York post? No offense, but what would compel you to support his narrative? His theories are ridiculous even by other debunkers standards.
If you're going to be a skeptic thats perfectly acceptable, I'm a skeptic myself, but there's no excuse for regurgitating obvious lies and disinformation. That's laziness or stupidity
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u/Simply_Nova Mar 06 '24
I thought this was obvious? Who else would intimidate/ silence people from talking about government secrets?
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u/Upset-Radish3596 Mar 06 '24
I wanted this video of the guy up in Alaska to be legit. So glade I don’t have to wait 50 years.
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u/chessboxer4 Mar 06 '24
Has anyone here asked, HOW they were able to shoot it down?
Missiles? Lazers? Did they say?
If it was a missile, does that mean missiles "work" on UFOs?
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u/KOOKOOOOM Mar 06 '24
If I remember correctly there's been general comments made, not sure if in reference to this specific case though, that EMPs may have been used in the past.
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u/doublehelixman Mar 07 '24
If you watch the eye witness video, there’s an instance where it shows a large aircraft two helicopters following it. But it looks like the helicopters are somehow tethered to the large aircraft. Almost like they have “leashes” on. Any idea what that is?
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u/Aggravating-Dig2022 Mar 07 '24
Never seen helicopters cabled to a plane before. What's going on there?
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u/KOOKOOOOM Mar 07 '24
Likely refuelling. It was a big undertaking with multiple planes, fighter jets, helicopters circling the area for days.
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u/Rastagon01 Mar 06 '24
I mean in the end we either choose to believe his intentions are good and that in fact he is just protecting his sources which intern keeps info flowing. If you run out into the middle of the town square yelling “Joe Blow just said the UFO is in a shed behind the town offices” and that is true and people do stupid shit, you’re never going to hear from Joe Blow again
We all want the same thing, to know the truth and to know where this is all heading. If Ross in fact does know the real deal, it’s incredible that he keeps his mouth shut. Idk, not like he is selling his own bitcoin or whatever trying to get rich by keeping us on the hook, like I said we either wait and see what happens or guess what? We wait and see what happens
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u/KOOKOOOOM Mar 06 '24
Fully agreed. 👍
Journalists keeping their sources secret and only sharing what their sources allow them to is completely normal in all aspects of journalism. The people that are constantly complaining about this are mostly doing so in bad faith, meaning they're just here to disrupt and dissuade the conversation. Or they're just not very familiar with how often journalists keep their sources to themselves because they don't follow other news stories.
Also, divulging everything all at once is unlikely to accomplish much. News cycle will move on the next day.
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u/InternationalAttrny Mar 06 '24
This is incredible.
His source’s source’s source’s source is 100% certain that his source’s source is correct.
Wild stuff!
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u/FlaSnatch Mar 06 '24
Wow it’s amazing how you see this situation so much clearer and smarter than everyone else. How does that make you feel?
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u/ottereckhart Mar 06 '24
OGA is also commonly used for "Other Government Agency," which it sounds like this is probably the case.
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u/tweakingforjesus Mar 06 '24
OGA was mentioned in a list of departments next to NRO and NSA in one of the recently disclosed government documents. It’s a real department and not a euphemism.
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u/ottereckhart Mar 06 '24
I know it is. But is also a very common abbreviation for 'other government agency' used in exactly that kind of context by government/military folks.
Office of global access wouldn't be really necessary given the objects were in the US and one in Canada.
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u/FlaSnatch Mar 06 '24
What makes you believe the OGA doesn’t operate domestically? I’m guessing just a guess?
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u/tweakingforjesus Mar 06 '24
The CIA does operate domestically and has field offices in many major US cities. Who do they think interviews foreign nationals of interest on US soil?
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Seeing how they always seem to pop up in well MOST ufo/UAP stories. I’d say the answer is yes.
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u/Why_Did_Bodie_Die Mar 06 '24
Ross is such a joke.
"I'm really serious guys! I just got a text message from a source who I can't name and he has a source and that guy says UFOs are 100% real and the president is hiding them"
How the hell do people take this seriously? I want UFOs to be real too but come on. Ross is an absolute grifter and you have to see it.
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u/CodiKay Mar 06 '24
Creepy!!! Watch out for the flash🙈😎
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u/UntitledCat Mar 06 '24
What if everything has been thoroughly leaked and disclosed dozens of times, but we keep getting flashed lol
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u/CodiKay Mar 06 '24
There’s just so much going on, I don’t understand how this isn’t a really really big deal.
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u/gerkletoss Mar 06 '24
No, it means the CIA recovers crashed foreign aircraft at least some of te time
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Mar 06 '24
Wait, wait, wait… just hold up a god damned second here: “…I said definitively, that sources of mine were telling me…”
Ross, buddy… the fuck does that even mean?
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u/Ordinary_Lifeform Mar 06 '24
No. Simply because early records of MIB are weird and strange. It comes off like the phenomenon mimicking expectations. They started appearing in Air Force uniforms after they started getting the blame.
Keel is worth reading for these aspects alone. The Men in Black weren’t the CIA.
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u/Ferociousnzzz Mar 06 '24
Poor ole Joe had to shoot it down or Fox would’ve ran pundits around the clock saying he doesn’t protect our borders and let’s ‘China’ monitor us lol
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u/Snoo-26902 Mar 06 '24
Sounds like a lot of hysteria I'm reading.
I guess we know why they won't tell us anything!
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u/MightyQuinnSr Mar 06 '24
More bullshit conspiracy theories about UAP/UFO’s. This is being spread by conspiracy theorists without ANY REAL EVIDENCE! If they had any evidence, they’d put it out there. Yet, we are seeing no evidence or proof; just talk. Where’s the evidence that any of this is true?!
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u/DJScrambledEggs123 Mar 06 '24
Anything this guy says needs to have a disclaimer attached to it "for entertainment purposes only" like those psychic phone-in commercials from the 90s.
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u/doublehelixman Mar 07 '24
Just remember that the best disinformation is mostly true. I understand that the alleged aircrafts used for the recovery match the what the witness saw but that might be the accurate portion of the disinformation.
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u/New-Sort-6872 Mar 08 '24
Ok so I am one of the biggest believers in EBE, UAPs (some) being non human in origin. I believe in Grusch, Elizindo et Al so I am the last person you’d call a skeptic. These things traditionally accelerate from standing still to mach whatever in like 2 seconds. They’ve allegedly played games with our fighter jets and the pilots are like wtf our technology can’t keep up with them. Soooooo all of a sudden we can just shoot them Down? Lol. Huh?
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u/codprawn Mar 10 '24
I wish people would stop using vertical video. So stupid. Just tuen your phone sideways it's not difficult.
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u/McGoosh13 Mar 06 '24
Tell us where the ufo is buried under the building or go away. Your 15 minutes are up.
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"A source just confirmed to me that they are in fact an NHI and have their own saucer. Now, obviously, I can't reveal who this person is or show you any pictures or other hard evidence, but rest assured they are real and they plan on revealing themselves to the world some time at the end of 2030."
This is what each one of these talking heads purports. "Disclosure is coming", "disclosure is happening", "revelations are near". I can't stay engaged on just a crust of bread. I need the whole steak dinner, with baked potato and side salad (dressing in the side please).
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u/RandalTurner Mar 06 '24
Yes the CIA which was formed from the OSS know about the ET contact, I was a CIA asset/MKULTRA from the age of 10, in the late 1980s I was taken to meet with an ET kept at Groom Lake/Area 51. I had communications with them since the late 80s, in 1991 I acquired video foot age of the ETs after George Bush Sr. sent me to copy the footage onto video at base El Toro. In 2010 I released the footage on youtube and within 48hrs the footage was removed by the US military/CIA. I was sent to court where I explained how the base commander tried to shoot me and was killed in a struggle with his own gun, they refused to admit the footage was real and so had to allow it to be posted but they added text and edited some of the footage removing items that could Identify the age and that it was US footage. Them holding the information was a violation of the treaty between all nations in the treaty as we were suppose to share this type of information. This is why they placed a KGB logo in the film footage that was not in the original footage and they added the text. Footage is on youtube under user ivan0135.
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u/freesoloc2c Mar 06 '24
We are in the opening days of WW3, the CIA is very involved in Americas wars. A foreign object over American soil would be of great interest to the CIA. We know the Chinese launched a number of balloons and other devices in our airspace on both the west and east coasts. Pics that this sub drooled over as UAP were proven to be Chinese. Two come to mind, 1 the silver blimp off the east coast and the square in a circle that we've been shown pics of. To then spin this device as a UAP is wildly misleading and completely disingenuous. Ross doesn't know what happened any more than we do. But he is making a buck saying this.....think about it.
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u/CHIMbawumba Mar 06 '24
the cia makes hamas and isis look like they're putting on an after-school special. all the bad shit you know they've done? that's the stuff they want to admit to.
if there's bad shit on the national or world stage? cia.
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u/Air4021 Mar 06 '24
I can't believe a single thing about the narrative surrounding this shootdown. Similar objects are seen in the skies frequently for years, and now supposedly Joe Biden ordered this one to be downed? Yeah, I don't think so.
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u/gerkletoss Mar 06 '24
"Government behaves differently about something after sudden media coverage? Sounds fake."
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u/CHIMbawumba Mar 06 '24
bruh you think the president makes decisions about this shit? we'd be shooting these things out of the sky daily if that were true. we stopped after 2 last year because the pentagon basically said "look, there's a bunch of these things at these altitudes. we know they're there, they're not a threat. don't shoot at them."
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u/StatementBot Mar 06 '24
The following submission statement was provided by /u/KOOKOOOOM:
This is not new information, but I thought it’d be worth compiling together as a single post.
In the February 7th, 2024 episode of the Need to Know podcast, Mr. Coulthart cited sources in the Pentagon: “The Pentagon tracked the Alaska object, confirmed that it was a silver cylindrical UAP, and not a balloon. The President, Joe Biden, ordered the shootdown and multiple assets were involved with the recovery, HC-130, F-16s for cover, and [CIA’s] OGA black helicopters.”
The purported involvement of the CIA’s Office of Global Access “black helicopters” corroborates earlier reporting by the Good Trouble Show and the Daily Mail on OGA’s involvement in UAP recoveries.
Also, the aircraft mentioned by Mr. Coulthart’s sources match the aircraft sighted by the eyewitness in Alaska who posted videos in February 2023 showing the same aircraft circling the area for days.
Sources:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFvXyOiUiZ0
https://www.youtube.com/@ThomasLees
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/14chdtw/deleted_video_from_youtuber_who_witnessed_the/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elleMzHACg8
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12796167/CIA-secret-office-UFO-retrieval-missions-whistleblowers.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/17mh5ki/ufo_mystery_over_the_arctic_circle_is_the/
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