r/UFOs • u/Atiyo_ • Aug 15 '23
MH370 - All the information we have with recent discoveries Compilation
With the recent discussions and discoveries surrounding MH370 I figured it would be time to make a post, compiling all the information we have right now (this took me roughly 7 hours, so much info), so future investigation becomes easier for everybody. I've intentionally left out any information regarding the uploader (yt and vimeo), since this has been covered extensively in the 4 part post. I hope this can bring everyone on the same page and help us get further along in figuring out if this is fake or real.
Timeline, Flight Route and Video Location:
The timeline is covered in the Ultimate Analysis Post. We can conclude, outside of the Inmarsat pings to the plane, we can't determine which route the plane ended up taking.Worth noting there was a 3 minute timeframe, where the plane wasn't tracked.The WISPR Data did provide a possible flight route, however there are concerns why this might not be accurate.
The video location was determined to be (8.834301, 93.19492) (no minus sign in front of it) which means the plane either was teleported during the 3 minutes (~02:22 MYT) where it disappeared from radar and was teleported back OR the plane returned to these coordinates at a later time (between 08:19 MYT and 09:15 MYT).
Edit: As pointed out in this comment: "In the Metabunk discussion, someone calculated that the plane is moving about 105 m/s and doing what's called a 2-minute turn (i.e. it turns 90 degrees in about 27 seconds). They calculate the bank angle from this to be about 30 degrees. This means it's a standard maneuver, and (my thought here) may also mean it was circling and holding position. "
Satellite:
The satellite has been determined to be NROL-22 (USA-184), it carried the SBIRS-HEO-1 early warning package. NROL-28 (USA-200) carried the SBIRS-HEO-2 missile detection payload. Both of these were deployed before 2014. And either one or both could've been used to record the satellite footage and it was transmitted via NROL-22, hence why we see NROL-22 in the footage.
Here is a post showing that SBRIS is taskable, meaning it can be positioned on demand and the (although downgraded for the public) capabilities of SBRIS-HEO-1 and 2.Other potential candidates to SBRIS-HEO-1 and 2 are SBIRS-GEO-1 and 2.
Possibly related, could also be a coincidence or related to the military exercises in that area: Weather imaging satellites were turned off from 2AM for 2 hours
Drone:
The drone in the footage was determined to be MQ-1C. (3rd Link). MQ-1C Gray Eagle can carry a SIGINT Payload, allowing to intercept signals. This is also a likely explanation for why the drone was able to get so close to the plane, if the satellites provided the data of the planes location to the drone and the SIGINT payload was able to locate some signals coming from the plane. (This is speculation on my part)
The reticle you can see in the drone footage was found by a user in a flir datasheet.
The drone must've been launched from either Garcia Island which is roughly 2000 miles from the coordinates or from an aircraft carrier. (2 military exercises in that area Cobra Gold and Cope Tiger)
Airplane:
Here it was shown that the airplane in the footage matches up with MH370.
Recent discussions regarding the visibility of fuselage fins and antenna in the drone footage were resolved (Post was deleted by mods, here is the yt video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBWgB_Ioinc ~22 secs the antennae are clearly visible in optical light, but then disappear in IR.)
Thermal Coloring:
As mentioned in the Ultimate Analysis Post, the colors can be configured even after recording
The reason for the specific color palette that was used in the video might be so the UFOs/Portal are more visible.
Satellite Footage:
The satellite footage seems to be during daylight. There are 2 possible explanations for this:
A) The video happened at the end of the flight, when it was already daytime, meaning the 3 minute time window is no longer relevant
B) Taken from this comment: "The main complaint here is that it "looks daytime". Anybody saying this has never seen a low-light color camera at work. These have been around for years, here is some guy using one 7 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bTgG2Ft4xQ"
Frame Rate:
The frame rate seemed to be coherent between both the vimeo and the youtube video. The satellite footage being 6 fps and the recording of the screen that's showing the satellite footage and the drone footage being 24 fps."It implies either that a real screen recorder recorded playback of a real source video, and the frame rate difference between the two is natural, or that someone went to the specific and deliberate extra effort to render motion of the fake scene at 6 fps and then do fake screen panning at 24 fps."
Mouse Cursor:
The mouse cursor was observed to "drift", this could be explained if we assume the footage was viewed remotely on a different device. Any sort of latency can cause the cursor to drift in a similar way.
Stereoscopic video:
There was a heated debate about this and since I'm not an expert in the field, so correct me if I'm wrong, to me it seems like the text and mouse cursor that are overlayed should not have that stereoscopic effect, since those are not part of the original satellite footage. It seems like the video which was uploaded to vimeo is not stereoscopic, but the video that was uploaded to youtube is. This means the youtube uploader (either by accident or intentionally) added this effect. A potential explanation is that he used a side by side comparison and cropped the video (again correct me if I'm wrong). This however does not debunk the video, it just means that only 1 satellite was needed to capture the event.
If the above is true, then that means the debunking based on noise pattern is inaccurate. Since that debunk requires the footage to be stereoscopic. There were other potential errors pointed out regarding this debunk, however if we can agree that the footage is in fact not stereoscopic, this doesn't matter. It also means further investigation on the video should be done on the vimeo video, not the youtube one.
There is another explanation: There are 2 rendered versions of this video, one in 3D and one in 2D. However this seems odd, if the hoaxer wanted to make this look as real as possible.
Further details that add complexity:
Clouds possibly affected by portal
UFOs pull inwards for a split second and both the UFOs aswell as the plane get slightly distorted.
3 "plots" were tracked on radar (Not sure if this was public knowledge back then, the official report containing this information was released in 2018), would be a big coincidence to pick the same number of UFOs
The UFO appears to be spinning on its axis
Conclusion:
The discovery that the video might not be stereoscopic changes a lot. Much of the previous investigation/debunking was based on this. This list should depict accurate information that we have right now with this new discovery. If I've missed anything, let me know and I'll add it to the list. This overview will hopefully make it easier for future investigation/debunking. I know I added a lot of links, but there is quite a bit of information, which isn't easy to fit in one post. While I was writing this I also discovered some posts which I previously missed and added them to the Megathread. The Megathread started to fill up with quite a lot of links and it seemed to become harder and harder to get into the topic without reading every single link, hence why I decided to try and fit all this information here. Props to everyone working on this, no matter if you're trying to debunk it or prove it's authenticiy, you're doing a great job.
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u/rektpenguin Aug 15 '23
Great work, and thanks for summarizing this steadily growing work!
My notes:
I don't think it's concluded that the stereoscopic aspect is false or added by a third party. u/kcimc states in his post about this topic that it could be made stereoscopic from a single image if there was another source for determining the depth. This would explain the same noise found in both images. Since it's false stereo, there would still be an original non-stereo video. Perhaps both the original and stereo versions were uploaded.
Similarly (my own thoughts here): The mouse and overlay are duplicated in the stereo images, meaning that they're intended to be viewed via the same 3d hardware. You'd want the overlay to appear "above" the content, so it makes sense for them to be duplicated and warped.
Additional thoughts: In the Metabunk discussion, someone calculated that the plane is moving about 105 m/s and doing what's called a 2-minute turn (i.e. it turns 90 degrees in about 27 seconds). They calculate the bank angle from this to be about 30 degrees. This means it's a standard maneuver, and (my thought here) may also mean it was circling and holding position.
Mods: I got an error in submitting. If this is duplicated please delete the extra.
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u/onehedgeman Aug 15 '23 edited Aug 15 '23
I already commented this but replying here as well.
Apparently the MH370 was confirmed to be holding position and going in circles for 20-22 minutes before vanishing
Made a post for it it seems to be shadow banned?
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u/Thrombas Aug 15 '23
Do you mind posting this in r/AirlinerAbduction2014?
It seems that mods removed your original post.
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u/Atiyo_ Aug 15 '23 edited Aug 15 '23
Oh I must've misunderstood it then, I edited the conclusion to say it "might not be stereoscopic".
I will add this to the post
Additional thoughts: In the Metabunk discussion, someone calculated that the plane is moving about 105 m/s and doing what's called a 2-minute turn (i.e. it turns 90 degrees in about 27 seconds). They calculate the bank angle from this to be about 30 degrees. This means it's a standard maneuver, and (my thought here) may also mean it was circling and holding position.
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u/Relevant-Vanilla-892 Aug 15 '23
Hey, I was wondering if you could add the explanation that the mouse and UI might be stereoscopic to be viewed through 3D glasses? - This makes a lot of sense to me
There was a video of people doing that posted earlier.
Thanks for the mega post as well!
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u/iamcoolreally Aug 15 '23
Is there any discussion on whether the video is real but the orbs and flash are just added cgi? The general consensus with this whole thing seems to be the whole thing is real or the whole thing is cgi…
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u/StyleIsFree Aug 15 '23
I think the argument against orbs being added to real footage is that people are saying the orbs line up perfectly in both videos. This would be doable if everything is a 3D rendering with multiple cameras in the scene but very difficult to do to add to real footage.
As I type this, I wonder the complexity of building the orbs in a 3D view and overlaying onto real footage. The hardest part I think would be the orbs going behind the plane perfectly (obfuscation).
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u/HillOfVice Aug 15 '23
And people want to know why the base footage is available to begin with.
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u/Deancrypt Aug 15 '23
It was uploaded by regicideanon to YouTube . Nobody knows exactly why .
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u/Deancrypt Aug 15 '23
Satalite video was from satalite obviously) the flir was filmed from a UAV (drone) uploaded 9 years ago a month apart.
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u/HillOfVice Aug 15 '23
Yeah no shit . That doesn't answer my question.
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u/Deancrypt Aug 15 '23
I'm someone answer your question ..whatever you ment by (base) footage
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u/Deancrypt Aug 15 '23
By saying base footage your implying these uploads are fake . The original video was the satalite footage of the air craft and UFO then the flir . I don't know where the stereoscopic footage came from
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u/HillOfVice Aug 15 '23
We are talking about the possibility of the video being real but the orbs fake. I'm questioning how anyone could be in possession of the videos. Shouldn't be that hard to understand.
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u/ILIEKSLOTH Aug 15 '23
My tummy hurts so I'm awake but I wanna say thank you for compiling. It's a lot of work I can imagine. I've been so intrigued by these new discoveries and actual analysis being done! Thank you to all the rest of y'all that are helping! Let's get to the bottom of this whether it'll be debunked or proven real I'm here for it, don't let the bots and hater discourage y'all.
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u/Relevant-Vanilla-892 Aug 15 '23
I've already backed up this thread and clicked on all the links to save them as well😎
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u/smithedition Aug 15 '23
Can I ask a question that might reveal that I'm late to the party here, but basically:
Are we trying to determine primarily whether the video is genuine? That is, it is real footage and it's not a fabrication in the vein of CGI etc. Or are we also trying to determine that it is not only genuine, but specifically footage of MH370?
Is it possible this footage is genuine but not a depiction of MH370 necessarily? Does the original footage claim to be of MH370 or are we all just focusing on that because it is the most famous case of a plane disappearing?
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u/Atiyo_ Aug 15 '23
It is possible that it is not of MH370, but to my knowledge no one has brought up an alternative plane. If this happened to a different plane, it had to have been in that same area and the same plane model as MH370. This would have to have been in the news at some point, since either the plane vanished/crashed or those people returned and told the story of how they got teleported to some place and back.
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u/smithedition Aug 15 '23
I must have missed where we confirmed that the footage (if genuine) depicts “the same area” as MH370. How do we know it wasn’t filmed in, for example, North America?
Aside from that, I don’t think it’s necessarily the case that we must have heard of its disappearance if it’s not MH370. Militaries could have possessed such planes and might not necessarily alert the press if one was lost, for example.
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u/bencherry Aug 15 '23
The satellite footage includes coordinates in the bottom left, which correspond to the Andaman Sea. The coordinates are slightly cut off (you see only the top half of the numbers) but it’s still legible. No time stamp is included.
The FLIR video does not have the coordinates nor a time stamp as far as I know. So it is possible the FLIR video is a genuine video of some other plane, but the satellite footage is a fake meant to suggest the FLIR video is actually MH370? But it seems unlikely. The FLIR video was originally uploaded a week or two after the MH370 incident. The satellite video came months later I think.
Also a Twitter account with the same name as the YouTuber (RegicideAnon) posted a link to one or the other videos shortly after upload with the hashtag “#mh370”
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u/smithedition Aug 15 '23
How likely/possible is it that the coordinates in the bottom left are fake? Like added in or manipulated.
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u/bencherry Aug 15 '23
I think everyone has the same question. But that's where the focus on MH370 comes from. This must be one of:
A) completely fake
B) real footage, but deliberately misdirected to make people think its MH370 (why ??)
C) completely real footage of MH370I'm leaning towards A or C. It would be the weirdest outcome that this is somehow both real and fake at the same time!
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u/grungkers Aug 15 '23
For me B or C, unlikely to be A. Please read all the investigations sub reddit carefully. All properties in the videos are classified, especially imagery from satellite. At that time people on earth do not know such thing exists until Trump leaked it.
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u/bencherry Aug 15 '23
Agreed - it would be the most technically elaborate UFO hoax of all time. And the hoax runs so deep that they even seeded it online with no fanfare almost 10 years ago just waiting for this moment to resurface it?
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u/grungkers Aug 15 '23
If I were the one who leaking the videos that statement would be not worth it. Why should I playing with my career? I don’t get idea also if those videos are edited with ufos and wormhole. Too much details and physical facts. Even without those details he could earn a lot of money working for Hollywood movies.
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u/mrhemisphere Aug 16 '23
Every time one of debunks gets unbunked, I go back to this. Why make this incredibly elaborate hoax, so good that in 2023 we haven’t debunked it, and then let it sit virtually unviewed, unpromoted for years. Still, we’re counting on you debunkers on this one.
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u/CaitlynCatalina Aug 15 '23
B makes loads of sense.
As soon as something conclusive appears showing it’s NOT MH370, the finger pointing and laughing begins.
Much easier to sweep it under the table as a “weird, conspiracy theorist nut job” video.
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u/roguefapmachine Aug 15 '23
Its not just the coordinates on the bottom though, every time they drag the cursor over the screen you can see the coordinates change as well.
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u/smithedition Aug 15 '23
Yeah but so what? Ok the numbers change as the cursor moves. How do I know those numbers have any bearing to the location of the plane depicted at the time of filming? How do I know they're not just random coordinates added in as an after effect?
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Aug 15 '23
Not impossible to spoof, of course, just another of many odd little details that are layered into this whole thing.
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u/jtp_311 Aug 15 '23
According to this Reddit, far more unlikely than a plane being sucked into a portal by 3 UAP.
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Aug 15 '23
It is if we take Grusch’s testimony at face value and Schumer’s document as confirmation that this is a serious investigation with actual evidence. If those things are true then this is pretty likely. You’re going to find in the coming months that you will have to jump through more and more hoops of higher dimensionality to deny the claims of Grusch. NHI aren’t friendly
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u/katabolicklapaucius Aug 15 '23
It's absolutely trivial to fake those coordinates. You can set up a 2d plane in almost anything (game engine, post processing software, blender) and map the cursor position to a coordinate and refresh it on each frame.
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u/smithedition Aug 15 '23
Right, so we haven’t confirmed that this was filmed in the same part of the world - let alone the same date and time - as MH370 at all have we
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u/sling_gun Aug 15 '23
You will find this to be a recurring theme on this subreddit. Half the comments on such speculation posts are always about "if this is true then I'm scared" or other fear/doom posting.
Instead of focusing on the concrete facts and news that we have/that we can push forward, you will notice posts that make little sense. I still don't understand how they leapt to mh370 from that video before even establishing that what they are seeing is not a spoof.
Ultimately it is conversations and discussions like those, that relegate this topic to the fringe. It is valid to question if there is a possibility that what they see is indeed real and is the missing plane, but to act like it's a given and try to present information that biases the reader is exactly why the general public doesn't take this discussion seriously.
Debunking and validation is very healthy, but if you put up flimsy topics of discussion as your best talking points, the whole seriousness of the topic is shot down with just one debunk.
People here need to understand what they should focus on. And probably practice patience when there is no news from the actual movement, and limit speculation to a healthy amount. I like the work they put in to ascertain details about the video, but this belief that it is real and is what the speculations claim it to be until proven otherwise is very jarring.
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u/Nerdwerfer Aug 15 '23
Was wondering the same thing. I hope this all fake and not a show of collusion between a NHI and the military.
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Aug 15 '23
There are coordinates in the sat footage that place it in the same general area as the disappearing planes theoretical last coordinates.
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u/CaitlynCatalina Aug 15 '23
People keep assuming that we are seeing an airliner “full of passengers”.
But they’re not considering that the airliner we see “poofed” away was being remotely piloted by some element within the US/DOD/etc. (Presumably to bait UAPs, which we have been told that they do.)
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u/bijobini Aug 15 '23
It could also be a test flight or something like that, no guarantee that the plane had passengers (or pilot, if it were ever remotely controlled as I believe NASA sometimes does for testing crashes and things like that)
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u/oswaldcopperpot Aug 15 '23
This is the largest plane for a LONG LONG time that hasn't had it's flight data recorder/black box recovered. There was one that was stolen and another near tanzania I think that no one knows what happened to them. So we have a video of a plane in the seconds of going missing that matches one of the very few planes to go missing.
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u/tweakingforjesus Aug 15 '23
There's also the Inmarsat pings. Ignoring the calculated ping locations for the moment, has anyone compared the timestamps of the pings to the path of the plane and when this video might have occurred?
Edit: For other comms:
During flight, the aircraft maintains a datalink with a satellite communication network for data and telephone calls. The datalink connects the aircraft and a ground station via satellite, which translates (changes) the signal's frequency and amplifies the signal; the ground station is connected to telecommunication networks which allows messages to be sent to and received from other locations, such as the airline's operations centre. Normal communications from Flight 370 were last made at 1:07 MYT. The datalink between the aircraft and satellite telecommunication network was lost at some point between 1:07 and 2:03, when the aircraft did not acknowledge a message sent from the ground station. Three minutes after the aircraft left the range of radar coverage—at 2:25—the aircraft's satellite data unit (SDU) transmitted a log-on message, which investigators believe occurred when the SDU restarted after a power interruption. Between the 2:25 message and 8:19, the SDU acknowledged two ground-to-aircraft telephone calls, which were not answered, and responded to automated, hourly requests from the ground station that were made to determine whether the SDU was still active. None of the communications from 2:25-8:19 contain explicit information about the aircraft's location. The aircraft's final transmission at 8:19 was a log-on message; the aircraft did not respond to a message from the ground station at 9:15. Investigators believe the 8:19 log-on message was made when the SDU was restarting after the aircraft ran out of fuel and the aircraft's auxiliary power unit was started.
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u/Relevant-Vanilla-892 Aug 15 '23
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u/tweakingforjesus Aug 15 '23 edited Aug 15 '23
OMG! Thank you!
That looks like all comms including the SDU, not just inmarsat. Thanks again.
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u/Sonamdrukpa Aug 15 '23 edited Aug 15 '23
This is the report that calculated the southern path, you can see the location estimation for each ping on page 20. There's a ping at 18:39 UTC at 7.5 N 94.4 E, then another one at 19:41 UTC at 0.0 93.7 E, which would be the two closest coordinates to the location in the video. The location in the video is 107 nautical miles from the 18:39 ping and 528 nautical miles from the 19:41 ping.
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u/heyimchris001 Aug 15 '23
I went from believing it, to not, and now here I am believing it again with the mouse curser topic being discussed in depth. I’m still up in the air on this one tho, but it’s extremely interesting that this footage truly seems to have lots of juicy details.
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u/TheSilverHound Aug 15 '23
Thanks. Cross-posted to dedicated data gathering sub r/AirlinerAbduction2014
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Aug 15 '23
You should cross post it to r/MH370Crisis, it's more active
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u/TheSilverHound Aug 15 '23
Yeah. But r/AirlinerAbduction2014 is an hourly updated sub. Trust me I'm one of the mods😄
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u/MoreCowbellllll Aug 15 '23
This video from EOC seems like it's similar to this event.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhH_64Rh7fc&ab_channel=EyesOnCinema%40RealEOCpresents%3AEyesOnUFOs
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u/swank5000 Aug 15 '23
I think you should x-post the version of this post from r/AirlinerAbduction2014 to r/MH370Crisis so it leads people to that sub.
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u/crazyplantdad Aug 15 '23
One thing I've not seen talked about. If the spiral patterns detected by IR that the UAP seem to follow are indeed colder, wouldn't that cause some kind of condensation in the air? I would expect that cold air as indicated by the video would have left some kind of spiral contrails as that quick change from warmer to colder air would have triggered condensation aka clouds.
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u/BudSpanka Aug 15 '23
What should be discussed more before thinking if it's true or not is still:
- coordinates
- time
If, judging from coordinates and illumination status, time and place can't be correct, than all other ifs are secondary tbh.
So right now we have:
- nrol22 being on other side of planet at that time
- coordinates would make more sense with a minus to be placed further south, closer to the thought to be last communication location. But this brings its own issues as well....
So as long as this can't be explained properly, there is even less reason to believe those vids are legit
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u/adponce Aug 15 '23
nrol22 being on other side of planet at that time
Is this actually known? The thing went up in 2006, it could have a very different orbit in 2014 from what is predicted by the launch. Do we have amateur satellite tracker data on it from that time, for instance? I really think we just don't know where it was.
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u/MortsMouse Aug 15 '23 edited Aug 15 '23
Yes (*we have tracking), from this SatTrackCam Leiden (b)log published on 13 March 2014
Of these [*satellites with SBIRS], two satellites had a view of the area where flight MH370 disappeared at that moment it disappeared: the geostationary SBIRS Geo 1 and the SBIRS HEO USA 200
* so NROL-22 was not in view
https://sattrackcam.blogspot.com/2014/03/satellites-and-malaysian-airlines.html?m=1
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Aug 15 '23
That's not NROL 22
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u/MortsMouse Aug 15 '23 edited Aug 15 '23
Correct, NROL-22 (USA 184) was not in view of flight MH370. *Edited my above post for clarity.
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u/adponce Aug 15 '23
Where is the tracking data here? It doesn't mention any satellite or where it was that day.
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u/roguefapmachine Aug 15 '23
The plane was airborne for 7 hours. "The moment it disappeared" is a miniscule time frame. Sattelites whip across the globe in less than two hours, they were not the only sattelites in range throughout the entire event.
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u/notepad20 Aug 15 '23
Wasn't NROL-22 the relay? As in whoever remotes into the desktop, selects an observation package, and then they can use all data being relayed through NROL-22 at the time?
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u/Alternative_Tree_591 Aug 15 '23
NROL-22 location would obviously be classified. Can't just google some public records
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u/testaccount7756 Aug 15 '23
i thought this was already known, but here’s what i picked up from another post
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Aug 15 '23
That user got the timezone wrong, it was in that location around 4 hours prior to MH370 taking off. It returned to that location just under 24 hours later.
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u/Atiyo_ Aug 15 '23
NROL-22 being on the other side of the planet should not be a problem, as mentioned in the post SBRIS simply transmitted the data to NROL-22, but NROL-22 wasn't filming this itself.
This article proposes the plane could've headed north instead.
Here is the picture showing the Inmarsat pings. These pings are on an hourly basis, so there is theoretically time in the first 4 pings for the plane to fly loops or go back and forth, depending where it was headed. I would agree that this needs further investigation, since it can still provide some interesting results. I would however recommend to not necessarily assume the plane went south.14
u/MortsMouse Aug 15 '23
Can you find any other examples of satellite data being labeled by the relay and not the satellite that took the data?
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u/Atiyo_ Aug 15 '23
I haven't personally looked into this. This might also be a military/IC specific case, so I can't tell you if this is realistic.
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u/BudSpanka Aug 15 '23
Yeah I read that nrol22 might just be the coordinating sat and not the filming one, but I leave that to the experts among us, I have no clue about that.
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u/jlaux Aug 15 '23
What should be discussed more before thinking if it's true or not is still:
coordinates
time
Let's consider the theory that this was genuinely leaked footage (real, unedited). I find it odd that no timestamp is displayed on the imagery. If the leaker wanted the public to know this video, wouldn't they include the timestamp to demonstrate its authenticity?
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u/BudSpanka Aug 15 '23
Yeah no time indication is indeed a bit weird....
Wonder if it was left out for a reason
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u/Sonamdrukpa Aug 15 '23
The coordinates being southern wouldn't really help the case much as the pings continue on much further south beyond a potential southern video location.
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u/Anonymous_Fishy Aug 15 '23
We want to remind our community that the source of the video in this post has not yet been verified. There are many unknowns surrounding the origin and content of this video. Please approach this with a healthy degree of skepticism.
We want to make it explicitly clear that the official stance from a multinational investigation had concluded that MH370 crashed into the ocean. What happened that day was a global tragedy, and it remains as a painful memory in the minds of many. We kindly ask everyone to always be mindful of the profound human interests connected to these subjects. Content that does not respect these interests or violates our rules will be closely monitored and potentially removed.
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u/MortsMouse Aug 15 '23
Labeling satellite data by the relay it passes through instead of the satellite that takes the image seems like such a stretch to me and I would need to see other examples of this to have any hope the video the video is real.
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u/Arendious Aug 15 '23
Indeed - were I working with satellite data or imagery, I'd want to know the satellite actually collecting the data versus whichever satellite(s) it's being relayed through. (Which isn't to say that wouldn't be important too, but wouldn't likely be displayed on the video itself.)
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u/Doinkus-spud Aug 15 '23
“At 1825:27 UTC, about three minutes after the last primary radar return, the aircraft's satellite data unit (SD) initiated a log-on sequence via the Inmarsat Indian Ocean Region I-3 satellite to the ground station in Perth, Western Australia.”
•Handshake 7 initiated by the aircraft 0019:29 UTC
•Aircraft did not respond to log-on interrogation from the satellite earth ground station (failed handshake). 0115:56 UTC
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2014/aair/ae-2014-054
So anywhere between 0019:29 and 0115:56 UTC is when the airplane disappeared. Does this match the video?
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Aug 15 '23
This post has three points in it that are relevant, one of which is the cursor drift, but you didn’t mention that that could also be from dropping a key frame in a VFX shot.
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Aug 15 '23
That's a hell of a lot of 'if's to make the story work.
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u/Ok_Rain_8679 Aug 15 '23
We almost had FTL travel, but everyone decided to divert all their energies to validating THIS, instead.
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u/tunamctuna Aug 15 '23
This has been a roller coaster! Thank you for doing this. It is very much appreciated.
I’m starting to lean that this is a very well done fake sadly. The noise and cursor seem to be the defining proof and it seems that to debunk that debunk you have to assume a bunch of other stuff.
Does anyone know of similar 3D stereoscopic videos like this? Think it would be great to compare.
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u/dmafeb Aug 15 '23
What if the monitor was filmed using, for example, a: LG Optimus 3D MAX? A mobile with a 3D-camera.
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u/Atiyo_ Aug 15 '23
From what I've read, it seems unlikely this was recorded on a phone or camera. It makes more sense for this to be recorded from a remote desktop.
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u/Relevant-Vanilla-892 Aug 15 '23
What if the mouse and UI intentionally were stereoscopic because the person was viewing with 3D glasses or a screen flipped up like in that youtube ad I saw around here?
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u/bencherry Aug 15 '23
Yeah since it’s a screen recording, you’d expect the viewer was viewing one image in 3D via a headset or similar. In that case, it would be weird for the mouse and text to not also have a 3d effect. You’d want those to appear at the highest elevation so they float above the image.
It’s not a 3d video. It’s a 2d video with a simulated 3d viewing mode to be more immersive for analysts.
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Aug 15 '23
This is really biased in favor of it's being real. I wish someone would do one of these that takes a more balanced perspective and includes skeptical arguments.
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u/SmoothbrainRedditors Aug 15 '23
On the contrary there was thread discussing how that’s a common artifact of certain remote terminal viewing software, which are common in classified or sensitive environments.
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u/mykidsthinkimcool Aug 15 '23
You have no credible source for the footage coming from a SBIRS sensor, just assumptions that the SBIRS images released are degraded enough that you imagine the real capabilities match the video.
That the senor is taskable means the FOV can look at anything within the FOR. It doesn't mean the satellite itself can change its orbital parameters on the fly.
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u/Lambeauleap80 Aug 15 '23
just adding from what I know.
- you're right, no credible source, just assumptions (either doesn't exist as a capability or not disclosed as a capability)
- the SBIRS satellite sensors were proven taskable via a document from an official credible site
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u/mykidsthinkimcool Aug 15 '23
Right I'm just trying to clarify what 'taskable' means. In case anyone misunderstands that even the NRO is bound by Keplers Laws.
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u/Atiyo_ Aug 15 '23 edited Aug 15 '23
- We also have this video talking about some of its capabilities. I think all data around this has been uncovered by this sub, everything else seems to be still classified.
- Yes, and maybe people working for the military or with knowledge of this can either confirm or deny these 2 assumptions: A) During a military exercise (like the 2 mentioned above) a satellite like SIBRIS is present in that area B) The satellite might've been in orbit to "spy" on china or other countries in that area (perhaps multiple of these are intentionally placed on orbits where they can view both china and russia, so atleast one can always cover each country)
Edit: Just saw another comment that's relevant https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15rodxv/comment/jwacr4r/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
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u/mykidsthinkimcool Aug 15 '23
That video just confirms what I'm saying about the term taskable. It even has a nice visual representation of the HEO orbits. (Which should raise their own questions about whether or not it makes sense that a HEO sensor could make the video)
There was a thread that had some discussion on whether or not usa184 had line of sight to the video chords at the time of the event. IF it did, then yes, the sensor could be tasked to look in that direction. If it didn't, no amount of sensor tasking would move the satellite into position.
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u/Large_Huckleberry572 Aug 15 '23
Nobody with that knowledge would confirm either of those things without facing very serious consequences
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u/i_worship_amps Aug 15 '23
I’m not saying it’s all bullshit. But what I will say is this is a circlejerk and there won’t ever be a satisfying answer. Everyone is a lot more vulnerable to false info than they think.
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u/EckhartsLadder Aug 15 '23
Why are the mods deleting debunking posts, even if some believe they've been accounted for
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u/Arendious Aug 15 '23
These videos seem to rely on a lot of "yeah, but" to maintain validity with the information we already had about MH370...
Some non-technical thoughts:
Why would I task a drone to also collect IR footage of something I've already tasked an expensive satellite to collect IR on?
Why would I send an MQ-1 (even the Extended Range version) when I could send a more-capable platform, such as an MQ-4 Global Hawk? The MQ-1, and even the MQ-9, have neither the range, speed, or altitude capability to effectively intercept and monitor an airliner.
There's a lot of moving pieces in these scenarios, and the more "what about x..." instances you add, the more people involved who are likely to slip and mention something, or just plain leak. Things like "hey, remember that time we launched a Predator drone in the middle of the ocean for no reason? Yeah, and on the very day that airliner disappeared!" is the kinda stuff that gets talked about, even if it's supposedly hush-hush.
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u/Ingenuity123 Aug 15 '23
I’m convinced on this issue. And it’s clear from their statements, members of Congress have likely been briefed on this video. “Lock your door’s tonight folks.”
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u/fade2_gone Aug 15 '23
There are people on this sub that know exactly what those orbs are and why they aren’t real and they aren’t saying anything.
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u/Wonderful-Trifle1221 Aug 15 '23
I think more attention should have been given to the gps coordinates on the satellite footage and that the coordinates move appropriately matching the speed that the screens view is changed. This is the most complex aspect of the video and to fake it and line it up with the planes flight path would be incredibly difficult
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u/AlphazeroOnetwo Aug 15 '23
People are missing the part that actual physical parts with serial numbers has been found with 100% certainty from the MH 370.
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u/nonzeroday_tv Aug 15 '23
Pretty sure people are not missing that part but simply ignore it because is not difficult to fake. Have you seen the 100% authentic weather balloon debris from Roswell?
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u/AlphazeroOnetwo Aug 15 '23
im not discrediting the video in my point. where is the conclusion even coming that this is MH 370?
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u/oat_milk Aug 15 '23
the plane is a 777, it matches MH370. the coordinates on the sat video fits the location of MH370. the upload dates are near the disappearance of MH370. this is what links the videos to MH370. it’s not wild speculation as to the alleged connection just because it’s a plane. if the videos are faked, they were faked with the express intention of being perceived as videos of MH370
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u/NarrMaster Aug 15 '23
The airliner in the video disappeared.
We have no reports from a crew of an airliner disappearing and then coming back.
Therefore, the airliner in the video is missing.
What airliners are still missing as of today?
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u/TripplBubbl Aug 15 '23
And what if this debris was planted as an alibi should this video (or other evidence) ever gain traction?
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u/AlphazeroOnetwo Aug 15 '23
So they manufactured the plane parts with matching serial numbers then crashed them to the ocean because you can see impact and stress marks and also you need to drop them for sea currents to take them to the beaches of indian ocean because thats how the debree was found.. sounds like a conspiracy to me
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u/Relevant-Vanilla-892 Aug 15 '23
Plant life on them was too young (2 months old vs. 3 yrs after crash). Plant life was also from the wrong biome(warm/coastal wehreas plane was in deeper/colder). Also dude who found them was dodgy. Also we only found small amounts.
https://www.jeffwise.net/2018/02/08/mh370-debris-fouling-supports-spoof-scenario/
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u/Atiyo_ Aug 15 '23
The debris itself doesn't provide clarity whether the video is real or fake. Assuming we would be able to find the entire wreckage also does not necessarily mean the video is fake. We can only assume what happened in that moment in the video where the plane disappeared. A lot of people assume this would mean the plane would disappear from earth, but that's not the only option, they could've teleported the plane to a different location on earth or brought it back at a later time.
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u/AlphazeroOnetwo Aug 15 '23
i agree and i never discredited the video. Theres just very tangible proof that atleast its not MH 370.
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u/Atiyo_ Aug 15 '23
I just clarified why I didnt include the debris. To me it seems it has no impact on the video being real or fake.
Sure, it could be a different plane, however it seems unlikely to me. If someone could prove this is not MH370, the video most likely would be fake imo. I'm not sure how much people have been digging into potential other planes that looked like MH370 in that area, that had a reason to be filmed by a drone and a military satellite, but so far I haven't seen anyone mention an alternative plane.
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u/Rohit_BFire Aug 15 '23
Oh look here folks u/AlphazeroOnetwo says because parts have been found it is MH370.
Can someone tell him that it's not that hard to fabricate a few pieces of metal with faded numbers.
Oh and the founder of the debris just happens to go out on a hunch and finds them.
Yeah all right.
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u/AlphazeroOnetwo Aug 15 '23
if you have the will to do just a simple google picture search " MH 370 debris " you might have a different opinion. that shit is all over the place around indian ocean
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u/Rohit_BFire Aug 15 '23
If it's really all over the place they should found the black box by now. But no.. all they got is few pieces of metal that doesn't match the plant growth it has for the area of has been in.
Oh and did I tell the guy who found it is shady as fuck too?
Evidence can be planted way easily than you realise.
You are acting as if though government is this some honest speaking scout..No Government is a thief.
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u/AlphazeroOnetwo Aug 15 '23
so they manufactured plane parts with matching serial numbers then crashed them to ocean because you can see impact and stress evidence and then planted the parts around the beaches around indian ocean. also how they found the parts was that they followed the sea currents that where is the most likely beaches to finds the debree. Doing a coverup this scale is just not feasible in my opinion because theres thousands of people involved in the search to this day.
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u/Rohit_BFire Aug 15 '23
Doing a coverup this scale is just not feasible in my opinion
CIA has conducted coups on a budget..I think a few planted evidence isn't a big issue for them..heck I think they gave this job to new cadets as a practice.
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u/AlphazeroOnetwo Aug 15 '23
you cant plant evidence directly on the beach because the debree had sea water tear so you would need to drown the evidence in sea water for long periods of time or just crash them on the ocean for the currents to carry it to the beaches.. and im asking for what all this trouble?? to discredit this video?? give me a break
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u/Rohit_BFire Aug 15 '23
You do know marine environment can be simulated in any lab right?
And the aging process can be accelerated in a controlled environment.
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u/AlphazeroOnetwo Aug 15 '23
so they did all that multimillion dollar coverup to discredit this video is that your opinion?
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u/Rohit_BFire Aug 15 '23
I am not saying they did that to particularly discredit this video..but they sure probably did it to stop the investigations.
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u/AlphazeroOnetwo Aug 15 '23
also to coverup what??? this video that was posted 2014?? sounds so ridiculous i cant even know where to begin.. maybe its just me or this sub has gone batshit crazy
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u/Rohit_BFire Aug 15 '23
Perhaps who knows...But still the damn plane had 4 tons of secret cargo which is not disclosed until this day.and had employees of Semiconductor company.
The Government works only for itself.
A few hundred lives is nothing for USA government. They kill millions in Middle East
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u/BudSpanka Aug 15 '23
Is it 100% certainty?
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u/AlphazeroOnetwo Aug 15 '23
yes unless you believe in conspiracies that someone planted a wing of a plane on beach to discredit a video.
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u/Coquest2 Aug 15 '23
Or...it was teleported somewhere else on the planet, maybe right into the ocean. This shit is extremely wild if legit, so the debris found rule nothing until we understand exactly what the fuck happened in that video, if ever. I'm trying to maintain a healthy level of skepticism about this, but the found debris, be them real or not, do not necessarily disprove anything.
This could also explain the alleged biome mismatch.
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u/Fuckinmidpoint Aug 15 '23
The fact that this occurred in daylight when the flight went off radar at 1:19am. What happened in the meantime? He turned back towards Malaysia and didn’t land at at least 2 airports that could take an emergency. Didn’t contact atc, didn’t flash the transponder indicating an emergency. Made no attempt to alert anyone and continued the opposite direction for hours before this video is captured. All while apparently being chased by these orbs? Those facts are enough for me to heavily doubt this was mh370. Pilots suicides have happened. It’s not out of the question. How can we overlook this gap in time? Also the engines received data for hours after the satellite footage.
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u/GeorgeWashingfun Aug 15 '23
It's been debunked so thoroughly, I can't believe people are still clinging to this. This is so clearly a psyop to deligitimize the UFO topic and make people look crazy right when it was starting to gain some mainstream steam.
Why would aliens want to take a plane? They certainly don't need the plane itself, so that means they wanted the people.
Okay but they also seem to want to stay discreet for some reason since we don't see them everyday, so why do something like take a plane full of people? There are tons of homeless encampments, some in remote locations. People no one would miss. People no one would ask questions about. It makes no sense.
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u/JABS_703 Aug 15 '23
The plane got teleported to another Dimension its still there were just couldn’t see it which is why it was still tracked
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u/deadlydickwasher Aug 15 '23
MH370 shilling is a a known propaganda technique.
is high-volume and multichannel ✔️
is rapid, continuous, and repetitive ✔️
lacks a commitment to objective reality ✔️
lacks commitment to consistency. ✔️
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Aug 15 '23
All that hard work, only for it to turn out that I was just another fake made by a random chinese nerd. Mark my words
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u/VeeYarr Aug 15 '23
My suggestion for further investigation - examine how the plane and objects distort in the frames directly before the portal and whether anything can be understood by that. Needs a big physics brain to dig in!
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u/TheOtherManSpider Aug 15 '23
I haven't been following closely, did anyone find better resolution satellite images that could be used to match the clouds? Or is that too much to hope for?
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u/Luicianz Aug 15 '23
We missed an important point. Assuming the video captured by this satellite is real, what time does the process of it disappearing really take place during the flight of the missing plane? At the beginning of the turn towards the atlantic sea or at what time?
Because during the period of disappearance, the plane's radar system was turned on once and then turned off. This is the most likely suspect point. Along with the reason for the pilot's southwest turn.
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Aug 15 '23
I think it’s fascinating that it’s not been totally debunked yet..
That speaks volumes to the ufo zeitgeist
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u/Sonamdrukpa Aug 15 '23
The drone must've been launched from either Garcia Island which is roughly 2 miles from the coordinates or from an aircraft carrier.
I think you meant to say 2000 miles? Diego Garcia is at 7.3 South, 72.4 East. That's about 1800 miles from the coordinates if they're northern coordinates. 1400 miles if we're wrong and the coordinates are southern.
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u/AccomplishedWin489 Aug 15 '23
Is it time for a vote? We have bled tears and lost sleep reading these posts. Isn't that what matters at the end of the day? And no pussyfooting here... My vote, Fake
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u/onehedgeman Aug 15 '23 edited Aug 15 '23
OP, the MH370 was confirmed to be holding position and going in circles for 20-22 minutes before vanishing
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u/thats_no_Mun Aug 15 '23
SBIRS is only InfraRed, not EO, hence the IR in SBIRS. NROL-22 is the designation of the launch not the payload or mission.
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u/Megasaki Aug 15 '23
After reading through this thread from today. Is it possible these orbs didn’t “teleport” the plane, but instead essentially vaporized it by using the fields around the orb together? The prime minister mentioned disrupting the field around these UAPs results in catastrophic failure for the UAP and whatever disturbs the field around it. The last frame(s) that show the orbs coming towards the plane before the poof has me considering this.
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u/Meatballing18 Aug 15 '23
Maybe this has been talked about and I missed it.
If these videos are real and they were leaked, wouldn't someone would have gotten caught and been been punished for it?
Do we know what government entity these videos are from? Air Force or Navy? CIA? etc etc
Looking for records of UCMJ violations around that time might get us there. If it wasn't someone in the military, I'm really not sure where to look. Could have all been kept secret too, not sure.
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u/baron_barrel_roll Aug 15 '23
In the satellite video...what direction is the airplane turning towards? Do we have a directional frame of reference?
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u/Atiyo_ Aug 15 '23
I believe it was answered here: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15ou3nk/confirmed_the_airliner_satellite_video/
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u/thehawrdgoodbye Aug 15 '23
What about the discovery of the debris that was recovered and confirmed to be the plane? Lol
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u/Atiyo_ Aug 15 '23
Referring you to this comment, where another person asked that question. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15rodxv/comment/jwa2d5f/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
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u/rafi323 Aug 15 '23
So TL;DR for people as myself who dont have time yo catch up, which way is it leaning as of now?
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u/DrestinBlack Aug 16 '23 edited Aug 20 '23
At least 42 pieces of debris were found in locations predicted by current and weather for the area. While many are matched by the body serial number (which is public information), at least 3 pieces were positively identified by private manufacturer only identification (parts which were replaced and so gained unique identification that has never been shared to the public). At the minimum, those 3 pieces positively prove the debris came from MH370.
This is a hoax CG video
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u/dencol Aug 16 '23
Has anyone considered why the video uploaded is with a phone/camera recording a screen? That’s the only way they could leak the video without getting caught. There’s no way they could otherwise get the video out, which makes it more credible.
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u/kid_zombie Aug 16 '23
I still haven’t read anything about the “why?” Why intergalactic/interdimensional, super intelligent life would do this? They wanted a sample of humans and their technology? They really need to wait for a plane to be in mid flight? Why? To not be detected? If this video was real, then it was detected. Assuming this NHI can cross time and space, I don’t think they’d need to transport an in flight plane to collect whatever data they are looking for.
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u/wihdinheimo Aug 16 '23
Seems like OP is misunderstanding the last ping? It's a large area, not a pinpointed certainty
"investigators have drawn an arc of MH370's last known location, based on the final "ping" at 8:11 a.m. To the north, the arc reaches from southern Kazakhstan over Kyrgyzstan and western China. The southern arc stretches from just north of the Indonesian island of Sumatra into the southern Indian Ocean. It's not known how far the plane flew after making its last contact from some point along these arcs."
https://www.space.com/25111-malaysia-flight-mh370-satellite-pings.html
Also, considering the plane disappeared into a worm hole and the families reported strange phone calls to and from the passengers there might be something related to the signals that we can't really understand.
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u/Historical-Idea6139 Aug 16 '23
How about this possible scenario:
- The pilot of MH370 knows somehow about a secret base, not visible to radars, somewhere where the regular commercial fights never fly over (maybe high enough - read somewhere that the radars detected unusual hight of the flight). The pilot - considering his bad life situation - has nothing to loose so he wants to find out if the rumours are true;
- if the flight gets too close to the “base”, the orbs activate and try to teleport the plane so the base is not compromised. They teleport the plane somewhere in the same timeline, just somewhere far away from the base
- the plane malfunction due to it not being designed to be teleported so the plane crashes after a while and the bits are found far away from the location
Just a crazy theory, not sure if this makes sense?
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u/DavideWernstrung Aug 16 '23
Does anyone have any idea of where the drone would be located on the satellite footage?
In the drone video the drone is really quite close to the airplane as it almost grazes the contrails from the plane- if it is that close it should definitely be in the screen of the satellite footage somewhere
Why would the satellite be able to see the plane and not the drone? I mean they’re no 777 but they’re not exactly small.
Also, does anyone know if those drones have contrails? If using conventional propulsion I would have thought there would be some sort of contrail interaction with the atmosphere but then again, it is a SPY drone and perhaps the technology is there to cloak the drone as much as possible so no contrails.
If we could determine where the drone should be located on the satellite footage then we can see exactly what the view SHOULD look like from that location and then check to see if it actually DOES look like that in the video
One of the parts of this that really rings with authenticity for me is the panning across the view on satellite footage- it was when I saw the picture someone had made stitching various frames together to get a look at the entirety of the sky on view across the full length of the video- I realised then that we are seeing a FRACTION of the full video screen as recorded by the satellite. The footage would be way way way far zoomed out and plane just a tiny dot on it- but then that little part of the footage zoomed in on loads and cropped for the part we see.
To me this feels authentic as it’s not just “oh we happened to be videoing right up close right as it happened” - no the satellite was taking footage of maybe hundred square miles of ocean and sky and this event was 1% of that footage, which is much more likely
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u/knowyourcoin Aug 17 '23
It's stereoscopic.
You can just cross your eyes and see it or watch it in VR yourself. Or go further, make a difference matte of the two sides and you can see the highlight of the offset.
The question isn't whether its stereo, it's why.
There's no "youtube filter" to make it stereo. It wasn't done accidentally. However, it could have been done in post. There did exist the tools to "3Dify" standard videos at the time.
It also could have been rendered that way. The whole scene could be a simulation. So rendering two views is trivial.
It could be a combination. A 2d video made 3d, with other 3d elements composites in to account for the zap, orbs and lighting in the clouds.
It cannot be a stereo camera on a single satellite. The cameras would have enough parallax to get the depth from that distance.
It cannot be two cameras from two different satellites, because the noise profile matches on both the left and right sides.
However, it could be a single image from a satellite augmented by the depth map obtained from the stereo image from two satellites. The depthmap would then be applied to the image in realtime to create two views in 3D.
The "why?" of it being stereoscopic is what the whole mystery hinges on.
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u/Krustykrab8 Aug 15 '23
Was it proven for a fact this wasn’t stereoscopic 3D or was that just what one person claimed vs others who said it was? I know that wouldn’t rule the video out but want to get the story straight