r/UFOs • u/[deleted] • Aug 14 '23
Physics Can Verify the MH 370 VIDEO with Teleporting Orbs - How to prove authenticity Video
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Super slow motion attached. We can see something quite remarkable happening. The orbs dash inwards towards the plane before the flash happened. This is also visible in satellite footage but since it's at another angle we see the orbs move forwards and inwards to the plane. Now here it gets interesting.
Look closely, just before disappearing the outline of the plane goes cold on the thermal. The orbs also appear to go cold just moments before the flash. This is followed by spacetime seeming to collapse in on itself and yielding a COLD region(middle) which we see as the extremely dark patch in the thermal video. The Energy is being sucked out of the space around it. There is also another ring of cold air visible on the outer edge.
But why do the orbs go inwards? Are they being pulled inwards due to the gravity of the wormhole opening as it bends space time?
Now why the bright flash? If such a disturbance of spacetime occurs, this may energize the photons outside the wormhole. This maybe due to sudden changes in the gravity. We see black hole accretion disks do this. Gravity pulls matter and makes it glow. Are we see something like that?
A very simple explanation “If this is even a sizeable wormhole, and some itty-bitty photon wanders into it, the photon gains more energy as it falls in and speeds up, and by the time it gets to the middle this photon has this enormous energy, and it overwhelms the negative energy holding the wormhole open and it collapses,” says Marolf. (https://www.newscientist.com/article/2363059-how-to-understand-wormholes-and-their-weird-quantum-effects/)
Now look at the frame by frame outline of the flash. We see a central low heat area outlined by a ring of low temp regions with higher temp regions in the between. The outer ring is the membrane of the wormhole, it's also a bubble that forms around the craft as seen in the satellite footage. Not merely a circle in 2d that appears.
When the flash happens, the inside low energy area is small initially but then suddenly expands and then contracts back, with the outer ring. This is extremely specific. The specific change induced on the inside is causing the outside to collapse in on itself. That's my theory. The inwards trajectory of the orbs is causing a gravitational field to appear that is so strong, matter from our end of the hole gets pulled in so fast, it leaves zero or low or very cold regions outside of it but creates a flash as the photons get energized.
While I hold no degree in physics, I have a weird interest in quantum mechanics and electromagnetism.
We NEED a serious physicist to verify this. A Hoaxer (s) will not be educated nor nuanced enough to incorporate the physics associated with such phenomenon.
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u/UNSC_ONI Aug 14 '23 edited Aug 14 '23
A bit off topic, but I actually can't stop looking at the top image and going frame by frame.
The plane kind of blurs out and distorts a fair bit as the flash happens. I actually didn't notice that before.
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u/Squishy_Cat_Pooch Aug 14 '23
I noticed that too… the orbs also look blurred or distorted at the moment before flash. That’s next-level detailing considering it’s a split second that largely went unnoticed in all the reviews of the video.
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u/Enough_Simple921 Aug 15 '23 edited Aug 15 '23
I find it so hard to believe at this point that anyone would go through this much effort.
Which is unfortunate because I'd rather this video be fake at this point. I do not want this to be a real event.
If it's real, it would seem that these videos were witnessed by the US Government and the question is, if they hid this, what else are they hiding?
What 4 tons of "classified cargo" was on that plane?
I originally blew this video off as fake because honestly, it seems so hard to believe. But we're living in some crazy times.
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u/currently__working Aug 15 '23
People throw around the idea that 9/11 was an inside job like it's nothing. If you can entertain the thought that they knew about that...or let it happen...then, yknow...what else can they do or allow...
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u/G_Wash1776 Aug 15 '23
I mean there’s a mountain of evidence that the Bush Administration knew about the attacks and did nothing. From before the attack, during and after.
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u/IGawtsFoTeef Aug 15 '23
It's shocking how little the average person will entertain a 9/11 conspiracy of any kind. The "intentional negligence" 9/11 theory is really not that much more far fetched than the weapons of mass destruction fabrication theory that a majority of American's now believe.
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u/G_Wash1776 Aug 15 '23
I mean, as an example, here are some of the facts that indicate it was planned ahead of time.
The project for a new american century, a think tank formed in the 90s, released a report in 1997 calling for a new “Pearl Harbor like event” to reinvigorate the arms market. Members of this group included Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz.
George Bush and Dick Cheney testified behind closed doors, off the record to the commission. The very same commission that multiple members have said they were set up to fail.
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u/El-JeF-e Aug 15 '23
9/11 did kickstart a 20ish year war fueling the MIC with 2+trillion dollars in spending. The advancements in US military technology fueled by the conflict from individual soldier equipment, combat knowledge all the way to drone technology and surveillance is astonishing.
I have a hard time thinking that "9/11 was an inside job!" because it was a truly horrendous terrorist attack with thousands of innocent people killed and many thousands more dead in the ensuing conflict in the middle east, but I wouldn't put it past some sociopath politicians and military industrialists to turn a blind eye to intel about the terrorist plot that would instigate the middle east conflict if they had some calculations on personal profits from it.
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u/todumbtorealize Aug 15 '23
And if anyone does come out they just make it look like they are crazy and ruin their lives. If that doesn't work then they end up like Epstein.
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u/t3kner Aug 16 '23
you can entertain the thought that they knew about that...or let it happen
It'd be crazy to think the government knew about something like 9/11 or Pearl Harbor and didn't warn their citizens. They would never do something like that though
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u/BudSpanka Aug 15 '23
The 4 tons classified cargo were..... mangosteen fruits.
Who were out of season, although they are a regular payload and have been transported before and after, so take that with a grain of salt.
Allegedly 20 us employees from a semiconductor company were on the flight as well.
All in all a lot of room for speculation
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u/TimeTravelingDog Aug 15 '23
Freescale Semiconductor is the company.
There was also an IBM exec on the plane. Philip Wood.
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u/sunofnothing_ Aug 15 '23
wasn't there some evidence of the pilot having practiced similar unusual maneuvers in the simulator ? I thought I read that somewhere
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u/RedGalaxxy Aug 15 '23
Yes, the same flight path was found on his home computer in a flight sim. Although, I guess technically, we don't know if he actually practiced that path or not.
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u/DexMeetsDexter Aug 15 '23
But why go through all the trouble. They knew a missing plane would create a shock and be reported to the news. They could have just used their own military planes and teleported the cargo
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u/MAEZ555 Aug 18 '23
You are right. Why would the gov go through the trouble.
Cause its not the government. its aliens.
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u/savviosa Aug 15 '23
I think this was a test, there was a weapon in the cargo hold of that plane and it was to see if the NHI could distinguish/respond to it while carrying passengers.
I don’t think the plane was teleported, I think it was obliterated.
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u/wihdinheimo Aug 15 '23
According to The Atlantic & military data they refer to the plane did rise up to 45,000 feet.
Maybe there was a VIP non-human or precious cargo aboard that got mixed up with an attempted pilot suicide and we're seeing the cavalry come to rescue.
I guess it's easy to let your mind run wild figuring out hundreds of possible motivations.
With that many passengers it's hard to even pinpoint if nothing stands out of the crowd.
We do know for a fact that the cargo was sus.
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u/El-JeF-e Aug 15 '23
What is interesting to me is that after the rise to 45k feet where the plane could have been depressurized to kill everybody aboard, the plane then dropped down to 23k feet well below normal operating altitude. The MQ1C has an operating altitude of 25K feet.
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u/RangersNation Aug 15 '23
Classified cargo? Hadn't heard anything about that. Can you point me in the right directon?
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u/friend2aliens Aug 15 '23
The amount of effort you think it took could not be more irrelevant to the veracity of the video.
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u/newcar2020 Aug 15 '23
Right? Like of course it takes effort. There’s a group out there that produces hoax ufo videos and the guy details how he spent days going frame by frame with a team of experts to ensure each frame is impeccable.
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u/-swagKITTEN Aug 15 '23
Oh wow 4 TONS?? That seems like a lot of weight, but then I googled it and holy smokes, they can carry over 220,000 lbs..! That’s as much as a small blue whale, daaamn.
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u/h3ffr0n Aug 15 '23
Yes, the Freighter version can take take up to 106 tons or 233,000lbs of cargo. The MH370 aircraft was a 777-200ER passenger version which has a max payload of around 145,000lbs or 65 tons, depending on required fuel load. You typically cannot fully load and fully fuel these widebody aircraft without exceeding weight limits. On long flights that require near full fuel load, the maximum allowed payload weight decreases.
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u/PirateFairyPants8 Aug 15 '23
Both the orbs and the plane change shape in that moment before flash.
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u/Canleestewbrick Aug 15 '23
It's way more effort to travel across space and teleport a plane than it is to fake a video, so I'm not sure that this supports it being real.
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u/SmokesBoysLetsGo Aug 14 '23
Also the orbs all simultaneously make a mad dash for the portal in the last frame.
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u/GuidanceGlittering65 Aug 15 '23
It looks like they’re either compressing or turning a flat side inwards. Or that could just be blurring.
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u/BuddhaChrist_ideas Aug 15 '23
They do appear to turn inward, towards each other / the plane. It happens very quickly at the end, right before the zop.
It makes me think of 3 mirrors forming a focused equilateral triangle, like the focusing and reflecting of energy between each other.
Picture 3 mirrors forming an equilateral triangle, where a focused beam of light would bounce infinitely between them if the particles weren't blocked by anything. Something like that.
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Aug 15 '23
I interpret this convergence as potentially being them creating the portal through their actions. Like the spinning and subsequent compression might create the portal.
Idk. Frame by frame this shit looks more and more real to me.
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u/ConnectionPretend193 Aug 15 '23
Dial of Destiny!
This whole story is wild man!!! I am very convinced so far. Lots of people doing their homework I bet right now!
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u/TarnishedWizeFinger Aug 14 '23 edited Aug 14 '23
Hard to argue the significance of it, but it definitely is interesting to see it blur/distort and recognize that's another detail added in if it was faked. Whose opinion is going to be changed based on that detail being included or not included?
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u/earthtochas3 Aug 15 '23
This is gonna sound kinda wild, but bear with me.
It's actually only the front and back of the plane that blur like this.
What if this is due to the spacetime collapsing from outside in? The orbs collapse in on the plane, and the field they created at that exact moment destabilizes and takes with it whatever it touches first. Since the front and back ends of the plane are furthest from the plane (no pun intended) of the orbs, it would make sense that they would be pulled in first, if a perfect sphere was created around the aircraft
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u/Krustykrab8 Aug 14 '23
Wow. That could maybe be it’s own post imo. That could be very interesting with a deep breakdown
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u/VeeYarr Aug 15 '23
Yeah, someone smarter than me could figure out if the deformity of the plane and the objects is caused by the gravity of the pull into the wormhole.
Definitely needs its own deep dive and post.
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Aug 15 '23 edited Aug 15 '23
It looks like there’s a frame missing here though. Someone else posted an even slower version today and there’s a frame where the plane looks like it’s sorta coming apart in three or four pieces, like if you squeezed a pretzel stick in the palm.
EDIT: On second thought, plane isn’t coming apart. There is a weird extra frame though of a significant distortion to the form of the plane.
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u/born_to_be_intj Aug 15 '23
Those extra frames are being generated via interpolation. Whatever software OP is using to slow it down is interpolating in-between frames. Basically generating extra frames by adding 2 frames together. You can tell because the crosshair of the drone is getting morphed too.
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u/ohheyitsgeoffrey Aug 15 '23
This 👏 you can’t just keep slowing a video down to extract more information, the software is compensating for a lack of data.
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u/sawry1 Aug 15 '23
That post is deleted and was noted fake by all the comments, just so you know.
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Aug 15 '23
What's going on with Punjabi-Batman then? He posted that deleted post as well as this one. I'm not sure what I'm allowed to say. Seems like something funny is going but the sub rules say you can't talk about that.
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u/Toemoss66 Aug 14 '23
Quick question.. what method are you using to go frame by frame? I've been wanting to do that with a few videos
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u/Atheios569 Aug 14 '23 edited Aug 14 '23
Lensing effect? Light is definitely bending because the orbs go blurry also.
Edit: or more nefarious, a black hole bomb?
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u/boat_car_guy Aug 15 '23 edited Aug 15 '23
It definitely weird.
I've been an amateur astronomer for several years, and to me, it looks like a couple of things could be happening here. Nothing actual physics related, more just optical things that I'll try my best to explain them in a easily understood manner.
First, the weird distortion that is notable in the final frames (right before the zzzoop) looks almost like what we call "thermals."
It's kind of like when you see the heat coming off of the road, say out in the desert, and things further away appear to shimmer, or get all bendy looking.
The other thing: The strange looking shock wave ring thing. When looking at stars under high magnification, with larger diameter telescopes, you sometimes get what is called diffraction rings. These look like little concentric halos outside the star, the innermost one is always the brightest, and they fade away or get dimmer further out.
That is actually the best way I can explain it, without writing a more detailed post dedicated to all the mumbo-jumbo.
Anyway, there are a few possibilities here.
Actual atmospheric / physical conditions creating the strangeness, that is then recorded by the cameras.
Some sort of weird unknown wormhole stuff, that is frankly terrifying.
A hoax by someone that spent a bunch of time and effort on this whole thing, and a crazy amount of it in the end.
Option 3 Would be easier to go with, simply because of the implications here.
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u/manbrasucks Aug 15 '23
"1. Actual atmospheric" needs to go on the next line because reddit hates numbered lists.
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u/boat_car_guy Aug 15 '23 edited Aug 15 '23
Thanks!
I will try to edit it so it works properly, I'm kinda new and no nothing about reddit formatting.
Aha! Got it, thanks for that tip.
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u/Much_5224 Aug 15 '23
Yeah, I originally ignored this story due to how fake the explosion/teleportation looked, but there are lots of things going on with it. Now, I'm not as dismissive as I was before.
Check out the very first frame of the flash, next to the bottom right corner of the framing square (can't remember the correct term), just inside the outer ring. You can see an object that looks to be the size and shape of one of the orbs.
This video shows a hole appearing in a cloud directly after the explosion - https://youtu.be/Ya1XNJsvHf8?t=233
The hole in the cloud appears to match up with the size and shape of one of the orbs. It also seems to match the direction/angle the orb is going, in relation to the center of the flash, in OPs video. I wonder the orb shooting out of the flash and the hole in the cloud are related?
Could just be video artifacts on both examples tho, so who knows?
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u/LaysOnFuton Aug 14 '23
We need a super slo mo of this super slo mo, there’s a lot going on
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u/Vault32 Aug 15 '23
u/Punjabi-Batman - I’m not trying to call you out or anything, but weren’t you the one that was having quite the q&a a while back with the OP who was claiming to have worked in a lab with first hand access to a dead ‘alien’ or biological entity?
I remember many were a little suspicious of how you were basically the only person that they were directly answering, which made them think that you were in cahoots or that they were somehow switching accounts to ask and answer their own questions.
I didn’t believe that, so again I’m not accusing you of anything. It’s just great that you’ve been a part of some big posts on this subject.
This is a fascinating post and I look forward to seeing the frame by frame images.
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u/David00018 Aug 15 '23 edited Aug 15 '23
yep, same guy, people were suspicious he and EBO-scientist are one and the same. If this guy is connected to the vid, it is fishy. Maybe the mods should do a little check on his profile.
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u/No-Guava-9962 Aug 15 '23
Yeah it's the same person, but they're just a frequent contributor here. If being engaged on this subreddit is suspicious... Take me in boys
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u/PmMeUrTOE Aug 15 '23
We NEED a serious physicist to verify this. A Hoaxer (s) will not be educated nor nuanced enough to incorporate the physics associated with such phenomenon.
Physicist here. A hoaxer's guess is as good as ours. Frankly the resolution, framerate and narrow FOV means we have very little to go by in the way of data points, so there isn't really a lot of good information, as there is so much noise and so little context.
One thing that I have been puzzling over however, that we might actually have enough data for, is mapping the vectors of the orbs and calculating some of their (expected) newtonian properties. I'm not sure what I would be looking for, but it would be interesting to see things like charts of their velocity curve, estimated collective centre of mass. I suppose if it was too smooth there might be an element of 'too good to be true' like they are just computer rendered objects following simple paths in a virtual 3d environment, children of the plane object, copy pasted etc. Not that the latter would tell us anything interesting as such, I just am fascinated by the seemingly repeated phenomena of three orbs of light.
What baffles me about them is that this trio of orbs pops up in so many undebunkable videos, often seemingly just blinking in and out of reality too... and they often seem to move not simply in formation but often synchronised like they're held together by some invisible tether. I have been toying with the idea that they are some form of 3d shadow that is cast by a singular extra-dimensional object. IE they are maybe just the engines of an otherwise invisible 4d craft, and we're not actually seeing the engines as such, but we're seeing these bubbles of warped spacetime perhaps. Perhaps if we calculated the sum vector of all the orbs we'll have a sense of the path and orientation of the higher order object.
If the orbs are effectively one object that is partially obscured then it explains a few curious things about them;
- no obvious source of propulsion
- often giving out bright lights and/or moving very fast which presumably would require a lot of energy (again no sign of said energy source)
- why they appear synchronised and smooth moving despite asymmetric conditions
If it IS at all possible for something to move into say the W-dimension partially, these orbs could just be like... the tips of the grabby claw of some gargantuan mothership which is doing all the heavy lifting
Absolute sci fi though at this point, more data pls.
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u/CapitalLine Aug 15 '23
Amazing theory. When we can't rely on science due to lack of data, imagination is all we have left sadly.
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u/showmeufos Aug 14 '23 edited Aug 15 '23
So, no physicist knows how to create a wormhole (beyond theory) so they can't help you there. But perhaps a physicist should check how it compares to a black hole, which are much more well studied, modeled, confirmed to be real, etc.
A black hole's physics are similar to what we see here: it would suck matter in, creating a 'void' temporarily when it has consumed that matter. The area would read as cold on IR. Given it's a micro black hole it would likely be emitting a lot of hawking radiation very quickly as it converts the matter into energy and radiates it. This may be observed as the flash on the clouds.
A lot of actual hard science/research has been done on how to create a black hole. It's actually quite well understood scientifically. Despite popular belief, creating a black hole only requires a lot of *energy* to be located in one place - not necessarily a lot of mass. You can create a black hole out of pure light/photons if enough are in the same spot at the same time. If humans wanted to artificially create a black hole, they could for example direct approximately ~10% of the energy output of the sun onto a single atom and it would collapse into a micro black hole. The point is: We know the physics, today, of how to artificially create a black hole, however, we just don't have the technology.
Could the three orbs have created a black hole using some type of directed energy weapon onto a single point? Maybe. Perhaps it takes 3 orbs from different angles to do this. Presumably you could do it with 2 if they perfectly aligned, one on each side, but maybe its easier with 3, idk. You can't do it with just 1 though, as the you need the energy to meet in a point somewhere, which requires at least 2 origins of the energy.
The black hole would then suck the plane in and surrounding atmosphere, to it's schwarzschild radius, and immediately evaporate once it ran out of matter to consume. Given it's a very small black hole it might have evaporated nearly immediately. The only actual observations we have of a black hole are the two supermassive black holes in neighboring galaxies, and the resolution of those is very low since they're far away and hard to image. So we can't compare this to an actual picture (really) of a black hole. However, there are many simulations of black holes that conform with known physics so perhaps someone could compare this "wormhole" to a simulated black hole.
It's worth noting if this is a black hole, the passengers of the plane were not "teleported" and instead have had their mass converted to pure energy, which was then dissipated as the flash you witnessed across the clouds. (To be clear… in this scenario the humans don’t exist as matter anymore. At all. They are effectively dead. Their matter got converted to energy. They’re no longer alive, nor do their atoms exist at all anymore. They got converted into ambient photons)
I should note, I do not think the UFOs created a black hole -- it's very unlikely. The reason I think this is also grounded in physics. A micro-sized black hole will nearly instantly convert matter to energy, emit it via hawking radiation, and evaporate when it stops feeding. Converting 100% of mass to energy is tremendously powerful - it's the same level of reaction as antimatter. If the full mass of the plane was converted to energy, as it should have been in a black hole like this, it would have been a thermonuclear sized explosion (megatons) not a flash of light. Given the entire sequence happened in several frames it presumably lasted a second or less, which is not enough time to dissipate that level of energy at such a low output. I'm not a nuclear physicist, but my understanding is it would have been a "boom" not a "flash" if it was a black hole.
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u/gogogadgetgun Aug 15 '23 edited Aug 15 '23
Someone also pointed out how in the satellite footage there is a pinhole that appears in a cloud near the flash of light. I wonder how that fits with the rest of the "portal", and if it hints at anything.
Edit: here's the thread
And the direct gif
It seems to imply some kind of explosion or material being ejected. Or maybe a trajectory path for the vessels?
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u/azmodii-s Aug 15 '23
If we consider a traditional rotating black hole, one would expect to see some form of relativistic jet - even from one as short lived as the footage depicts.
You can technically calculate the exact position of the ionised ejection from the rotation of the object.
If you could correlate the artefact in the cloud with the directionality of this ejection, that would be strong evidence for this being genuine footage.
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u/Zealousideal-Rub-930 Aug 15 '23
Could be path of travel? It would have to be incredibly advanced tech, but maybe the "warp" travel is really just reducing you down to pure energy and reassembling elsewhere.
Since clouds are mainly water, a beam of high energy would evaporate any liquid surrounding it. Just spit balling.
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u/Rex--Banner Aug 15 '23
See its stuff like that, that if this is a 3d render why include that detail. Something so small and would mean probably having to edit the cloud model and maybe use a booleon cut out or something but why. It's such a small detail that means extra work on top of the 100s of other micro details and it's not like it's referenced from something. For example if you have a reference video you want to recreate and you see a tiny detail you can be like hey I will put this in but if it's 3d, it's a fake event with no reference and so it's been put in to look 'cool' maybe.
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u/truefaith_1987 Aug 15 '23
If real I would assume that instead of being caused by ejecta, small parts of the surrounding clouds were simply sucked in or annihilated by the radius of it.
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u/littleday Aug 15 '23
If this is real, is it possible for the humans to have survived? Or would they have been vaporised… scary thoughts really
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u/LongPutBull Aug 15 '23
I actually don't think this is a scary way to die vs drowning, burning alive, dying painfully over time from cancer etc.
The electrical signal to tell you pain probably doesn't even get triggered which means this is true painless death, which is vastly superior to dying to any other cause in terms of suffering.
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u/FliesMoreCeilings Aug 15 '23
There's nothing special about a black hole that makes it attract matter faster or with more force. A black hole with the mass you could create by just pumping some energy into a location, wouldn't have any more gravitational pull on the plane than that same energy would if it weren't concentrated in a black hole. You can't increase the pull on an object by making a black hole out of your already available energy/mass.
Additionally, if this supposed micro black hole would be able to pull a plane at such a high acceleration that it just vanishes entirely within one frame, it should instantly have far reaching effects that would be noticed everywhere.
I don't really think it can be a black hole as we understand them
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Aug 15 '23
That's a very fascinating writeup. What about the shwarschsild radius. This could be a black hole bomb.
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u/wackedoncrack Aug 14 '23
I have a light background in science, and am no expert. But aren’t wormhole physics largely theoretical based on mathematical models?
I’m leaning toward the authenticity of this video but without a proper understanding of the physics of this process that would take place at scale it’s hard to verify.
Why would there need to be three spheres?
What is the diameter (scope?) of the wormhole?
What would cause it to collapse after the event?
What amount of energy would this event generate? Is the flash seen in the video sufficient? Is there any way to verify? Etc.
In the event the airplane was destroyed, what amount of energy would turn it to dust? Leaving no trace of debris. (Or little debris depending on how the discovery in Madagascar is factored in)
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Aug 14 '23
THIS
We need to have such nuanced discussions and questions
A) exactly why there spheres? Are they focusing their gravity on a point. Like lazaars gravity emitters? But these orbs can combine their gravitational effect when nearby?
B) we can measure the plane. Actually we know the exact dimensions of the plane. Use that as reference and we maybe able to get a decent idea on the size. If we can determine the size then back work the current equations to see if the behaviour is as predicted
C) Very good question - if the orbs are the cause of the gravity. If they go, the gravity field goes with them. It may collapse then as they leave?
D) We can try to use known equations of relativity and gravitational waves and see if anything fits. There are quite a load of work on theoretical wormholes.
E) Matter being turned into dust would require a huge amount of energy. We do see vaporization in close proximity to nuclear explosions. I bet physicists have some idea how much energy maybe required to open a wormhole if you have the ability to manipulate Gravity
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u/XXFFTT Aug 14 '23
Are there three spheres or is the shutter speed making it appear as if there are three?
Does this even use wormhole theories or is this a completely different technology? One or three spheres, the way they're able to fly suggests that we might not even have theories that begin to explain what is going on.
What would cause it to collapse? Some energy is needed to begin the process, wouldn't removing the source of energy stop the process?
I definitely do not have anywhere near the amount of education and experience you have but it is fun to think about this.
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u/F-the-mods69420 Aug 15 '23 edited Aug 15 '23
Why would there need to be three spheres?
Draw a line between two spheres and it hits the central point between them. With three equidistant spheres, you can draw a line between each adjacent sphere and connect them all without hitting the center point.
I don't know what that means, but it's something. Perhaps the spheres cannot be directly in line with and opposite of each other and the point of the "portal effect", for whatever reason. That would specifically take 3 spheres, not 2 or 4.
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u/TarnishedWizeFinger Aug 14 '23 edited Aug 14 '23
I had some what if thoughts imagining three spheres being necessary for control correlating with our three spatial dimensions. If three axes are necessary for moving an object directly through space, why not also through a wormhole? Kind of rudimentary thinking though I'll admit
Maybe four orbs could work too but hey why use four if you can use three
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u/KOOKOOOOM Aug 14 '23
Maybe four orbs could work too but hey why use four if you can use three
Alien budget cuts 😔
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u/TarnishedWizeFinger Aug 14 '23
Budget cuts? Who needs budget cuts with a lifetime supply of lithium batteries
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u/nopir Aug 15 '23
I have a question about the "hole" that we see. Why are we seeing it as almost perfectly round? Is it just luck that were seeing it from this angle or is the "hole" more sphere like?
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u/azmodii-s Aug 15 '23
I can add to this:
What is the diameter (scope?) of the wormhole?
What is meaningful is the objects position relative to the Schwarzschild radius. Spacetime "warps" and "stretches" prior to the horizon (think bigger on the inside). The closer you approach the horizon, the more warping and stretching you experience, the larger the horizon becomes, until there is only horizon and you have passed the Schwarzschild radius. Functionally, the horizon is infinite for observers close enough, regardless of the observed size from an external observer.
What would cause it to collapse after the event?
This remains an unresolved issue. Either BH and WH are synonymous, or independent. If the former, thermodynamics.
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u/Thrombas Aug 15 '23
Damn.
In slow motion it looks even more terrifying legit.
Looks like these things act like bolases.
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Aug 15 '23
How so? To me, it looks even more fake because of how fast it just disappears. Literally one frame they are there and the next they are gone.
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u/nanomeme Aug 15 '23 edited Aug 15 '23
So, "we" have all sorts of interesting sensors around the world, like giant neutrino detectors etc. It seems to me that a wormhole event, for lack of a better term, would have a very interesting emission signature. Are there some open source sensor data that we can comb at the specific time/date of this event?
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u/evilbunnyofdoom Aug 15 '23
Was actually just thinking about this. Thinking of going to dive in on the interwebs and look for old data from fire & launch detection satellites. Would be nice to find an additional data point from another satellite, i would imagine a high energy flash like that would register on some sensors somewhere, if not fire detection then at least missile launch detection platforms. I'd imagine some are pointed at the oceans for hypothetical submarine launches.
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u/LedZeppole10 Aug 14 '23
The more I watch this on loop the more it screams “legit”
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Aug 14 '23
I can post all the frames as individual images next? It is legit spooky af
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u/VeeYarr Aug 15 '23
Worth posting the frame where the plane and objects distorts and the previous and after frame.
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u/Ok-Reality-6190 Aug 15 '23
I mean air also has fluid dynamics so visually an inkblot might not be that far off from reality.
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u/donkismandy Aug 15 '23
I had no context and opened it and my gut feeling was that it was real. Whether that feeling is right or not I have no idea but that was my first impression.
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u/Ok-King6980 Aug 15 '23
It appears to depict 3 objects collapsing creating a black hole at a place in space, which implies worm hole to an alternate dimension.
Sliders was real!
You can see the orbies fall in. What a wild video. This is something else.
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u/Mn4by Aug 14 '23
That's not a fucking inkblot. I'm not Einstien but I'm not a cow either.
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Aug 15 '23
but I'm not a cow either
Are you sure? Because it's starting to look like a lot of very unusual things are indeed possible.
tl:dr you might actually be a cow.
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u/Mn4by Aug 15 '23
If I trip hard enough I've been known to become an owl, but never a cow.
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u/MyDadLeftMeHere Aug 15 '23
Cows are like 5 orders higher than Owls on the Scale purely by virtue of being Herbivores, and 4 orders higher if we're going on raw mental fortitude
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u/Mn4by Aug 15 '23
Never realized how high cows got. I tried going vegan once, felt like I was starving to death.
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u/koalazeus Aug 14 '23
The first and third orbs fly in from off camera. Where are they coming from?
The second orb is actually just hanging out inside a cloud until the first orb approaches it. What's that all about?
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u/buttwh0l Aug 15 '23
Just remove all the electrons. Which is quite.....scary. Look up coulomb explosion.
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u/Xx_LobasaLootSlut_xX Aug 15 '23
Oh wow that's pretty intense. Just dove deep into a recent publication (that I could understand lol) and even the photos are uncanny. Thanks for the nightmares lol
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u/boat_car_guy Aug 15 '23
Bro, that is a spectacular find!
I've watched the videos a bunch of times, and never noticed all the funky stuff going on in the last frames.
Just the amount of detail, to me, seems unlikely that a hoaxer would do all of that. That alone would have taken some enormous work, when they could have just made the plane "blip out" or something much more simple.
That is intense!
The more we dig into this, the stranger it seems to get.
Just, wow!
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u/Youremakingmefart Aug 15 '23
Someone spending a lot of time hoaxing this is less likely than a passenger airplane being teleported away?? Sir have you ever witnessed a portal?
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u/boat_car_guy Aug 15 '23
Solid point, but I've gotta say this: Hoaxing this? Why spend all that time and effort, and just have the video gone like a fart in the wind?
Until now?
Consider this: The speed of light is known, or mostly assumed correct from our current understanding.
There are other things that seem to defy standard physics, but that is beside the point, and no... I have not witnessed a portal, unless that is what we are seeing here.
All I'm saying is that there are things here that might make sense for optical anomalies that are observed, and other things that don't.
I don't know what we are looking at here, but one thing I do know is this:
Our understanding of the universe, and perhaps everything around us, is only based on what we know currently by our scientific methods.
I'll just say this, in the grand scheme of the observable cosmos, our planet is pretty young... and likewise so is our knowledge collectively as humans.
If there is something else way out there, that can travel here, then by default it would be more advanced than us by many factors.
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u/below-the-rnbw Aug 15 '23
The fact that there were 22 people from the same company and that it's recorded makes me think it's a planned teleportation. There have been several whistleblowers who have claimed that there were hundreds of humans living on other planets working together with the NHI
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u/TeferiLocke Aug 15 '23
Oh look, everyone, it’s /u/Punjabi-Batman. You know - the account that was asking the EBO Biologist all the questions that actually got detailed answers. The one who was going on about how very convincing and credible the Biologist was while writing an awful lot like the Biologist her/himself.
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u/glamberous Aug 14 '23
I have no knowledge in any of this at all. Based on your limited knowledge, would you think this could work as a "teleportation" mechanic? Or do you think this simply is a destruction tool/weapon?
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u/VeeYarr Aug 15 '23
Lookup a wormhole, generally it is considered a portal to another part of spacetime
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u/Your_Huckleberry47 Aug 15 '23
44:44 April 30, 1996: Philadelphia Experiment - Marshall Barnes (most major podcast platforms)
Is what we're seeing an implosion?
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Aug 15 '23
I slowed it down further OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG posting in a few you see the plane wobble out of existence 🤯
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u/GroundBoundPotato Aug 15 '23
Just thinking out loud, but...
Just theoretically, an absolute figurative speech of mine now.
Assuming this footage is legit.
What if these orbs are like super ridiculously heavy. What if that particular motion they do, combined with an absurd mass, would cause the space around the plane to collapse and suck all 4 objects into some sort of a gravitational well? What would be at its end then? Can they control it? Is that teleportation?
That'd be awesome, and terrifying at the same time. Why would they do that with a bunch of humans?
Does anyone know the origins of this footage?
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u/revodaniel Aug 15 '23
Looks like the orbs come closer to the plane before it disappears...man that's a lot of small details for a "fake" from 2014 that nobody would have cared for right?
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u/Yellowdandies Aug 15 '23
I mean if I could make a viral vid that would make thousands of people lose their minds, the little details might be worth it.
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u/Rex--Banner Aug 15 '23
The problem with adding all these little details is they add up in render time, research and getting it looking right. It's fine for a few small details. I do it in my renders. I've sometimes spent hours perfecting a small imperfection that barely gets noticed, however if I spend time on all these little details people are picking up, it just increases the time by a major factor.
Some of the details require people going in and looking at fps and subpixels for the slight amount of distortion. Insane for one person to render all this on 2014 hardware. Not to mention watching it over after its rendered, finding a mistake and rerendering it 2 times, one for each view. And in two months.
If it's fake I would love the in depth breakdown of how they did it and what they studied to be good at so many things.
But also that could mean it couldn't be done by one person, but maybe a studio or team and then we would have to ask why.
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u/hightiercrackman Aug 15 '23
It’s also a little weird how they tilt “flat” before the plane disappears. It’s like they’re getting into formation for the event. Even more of a formation then just flying in a triangle around it, it’s like they fine tune their path and then boom.
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u/Atheios569 Aug 14 '23 edited Aug 14 '23
Electromagnetic wormhole induced by implosion pressure from collapsing orbs. Maybe?
Edit: or a black hole bomb. Similar to what is used in ‘The Arrival’. Except three orbs instead of one. Here’s a clip of it, but imagine that almost instantaneous. Very similar to me.
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u/Revolutionary-End864 Aug 14 '23
Notice that the "orbs" collapse in on themselves in the final frames.
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u/earthtochas3 Aug 15 '23
I've been saying exactly this for days. Should have just written out my own post.
Good work OP
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Aug 15 '23
But why everyone are assuming they created a wormhole ? Maybe they just completely destroyed the aircraft.
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u/MVPoker Aug 15 '23
This whole thing would be a lot more credible to me if MH370 was on its normal flight path and then this happens, the flight never shows up at its destination, and no debris is ever found. But these orbs apparently teleporting the alleged MH370 aircraft doesnt explain why MH370 was so off course in the first place. And doesnt explain how debris has been found of remote islands VERY likely to have come from MH370.
For this to be real, in my mind, these sequence of events would have to occured:
1) Malaysian pilot and or copilot decide to take the flight on a suicide mission to the remotest part of the indian ocean they can find
2) A higher being somehow realizes a flight is low on fuel and is not going to reach any safe landing so they decide to intervene or see this as an opportunity to abduct since the flight is already doomed
3) A government coverup happens where they stage the wreckage by dropping airplane parts in the ocean with the same serial numbers as MH370 so they can be discovered later on.
I believe the probability of all these events occuring individually are way <1% and for them to all happen in order? at least in my view, is just too far fetched to even consider.
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u/GymSplinter Aug 15 '23
This could not even be mh370. Could be a drone sent on a mission to fly in the airspace of the orbs bc they were seen before and the filmer wanted to see the orbs’ reaction. Or there is a galatic battle we are unaware of and this flight was kidnapped upon take off and finally taken ‘away’ at a different location. The plane could have been abducted, taken below ocean level and let go there. Hence the few parts the washed up. Who knows.
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u/ah_no_wah Aug 15 '23
You can see a bit of the outline of the plane's rear just as it's entering the wormhole. Should would like to see the frame by frames!
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u/Samtoast Aug 15 '23
/u/Punjabi-batman your posts are always very interesting and a great reading if not anything else! Thank you for your submissions
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u/Kracus Aug 15 '23
Ok so we're looking at two shots using two different filters. Note, I said filters, not camera modes.
One mode is nightvision, the black and white one and the other is infrared. If you've ever looked at a nightvision shot vs an infrared shot you'll notice that details differ. You can see some things in infrared you won't see in night vision and vice versa.
Both cameras show the same image but with a different filter applied. Filters aren't like the real thing so you'll see the same details in both images. If you're curious about this check out this image as an example of what I'm talking about.
This is especially weird with the disappearing effect. Assuming that it were real, I would expect a pretty drastic difference, other than color, in what's visible between the two different camera modes. But if it were just a filter then that makes sense.
Another problem is the inkblot effect. Note how perfectly flat and round it is for the viewer. The aircraft is moving away from us at an angle, why does the effect look so flat and centered? Because it's an effect that's done on a flat plane relative to the viewer rather than some interdimensional portal relative to the aircraft.
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u/Feisty-Feedback-2913 Aug 14 '23
Very detailed and informative explanation it’s great many of you guys are looking at the small clues and you sir have provided more food for thought for us to digest thank you.
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u/KOOKOOOOM Aug 14 '23
Good find op, thank you for posting. I hadn't noticed that exact detail yet.
Just speculation for speculation sake, but this post made me think, what if the orbs are not activating the portal, rather they're there to guide and protect the plane? Like something along the lines of the plane not even being under human control, just being guided by NHI to this specific portal point, orbs spin and create a shield. 🤔
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u/StallisJake Aug 15 '23
I admire the details you point out here. I would like to know how long effects like the ones you refer to take to apply in such detail. Even with today’s standards, I wonder if this would take a few minutes, hours, days, etc because why would someone take that much time to alter the video in such a way, post it, and then not do any promoting of any sort for a sustained period of time?
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u/MrScootaroo Aug 14 '23
I'm mostly a lurker out of curiosity for the subject, but with this whole "portal" thing, surely it would have radiated something? Right? Probably gravitational waves, neutrinos, or some other form of exotic energy/matter? Would that not spike on detectors. Even so, I don't think such sophisticated equipment would even be accessible to the normal public, much less the records of detections around that time. I have always thought that.
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u/Significant_Spite_64 Aug 14 '23
Even if they detected it or what not. US wont disclose shit, they wont make this public
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u/gotfan2313 Aug 15 '23
Here’s what has me all confused tonight. Why do so many of these supposed events happen after the science fiction we invented ourselves in movies have these same events? Lost = MH370. Close encounter = project serpo.
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u/CapitalLine Aug 15 '23
Sometimes reality is just as strange as fiction?
Jokes aside, considering the possibility that this is a really -really- well made fake, I think an agency may have created it and left it just to be used as a distraction when they are in need. This may also explain all the seemingly classified data the hoaxer somehow accessed in a relatively short span of time (give or take 14 days, was it?).
With everything going on with Mr. Grusch they may have concluded that this is a good time to use a well made distraction.
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OP - You can also see the inward collapse followed by an explosive expansion of a narrow ring on the outside. This is at the end of the wormhole. This is a peculiar detail. One can try to measure or estimate the rate of expansion of this bubble or "wormhole" and can really do a detailed analysis. If I was a physicist, my curiosity would be peaked af
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u/OntologicallyBroken Aug 15 '23
They even morph into a flatter saucer shape and look like 3 "defibrillator paddles" hitting the plane. I wonder if the flattening is some way of directing the built up energy from the "spiraling"...um charge-up maybe?
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It's cool because when the "teleportation" or whatever you call it happens, there's an expansive explosion in the center with a ring surrounding it. And as the video ends the ring around the explosion actually seems like it's contracting? Like a type of implosion?
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u/This-Counter3783 Aug 15 '23
This makes me think, if this video was real, and the plane and the atmosphere around it were teleported away without being replaced by anything, it would cause a cold vacuum that would rapidly be violently filled by the surrounding atmosphere likely causing some increase in temperature just from all the gasses collapsing into each other to fill the void.
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Aug 15 '23
This is one of the best inputs I think anyone has given so far tbh. Maybe reword your post to avoid talking about the video, and involve a classic science scenario. Then send it over to a science thread or forum and see what they think. If what you say is agreed with then that's scary. But having this video as a focus will immediately set a negative bias against it. It's better to get the answer before using a hypothesis scenario that way we aren't literally showing them a crazy ufo zipping a plane away.
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u/AndalusianGod Aug 15 '23
Don't mind this too much, just a random thought: ] What if it was the other way around and it was the plane that teleported the 3 UAPs? Perhaps the plane was rigged by the US military with some tech salvage from other UAPs to do it?
Then again, probably not cause I just saw a recent post about how a similar incident occurred in the 1950's (Lake Superior) where the jet fighter disappeared. 😅
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u/Quantum_theoryx Aug 15 '23
I don't understand why this video in specific is getting so much attention. It seems like it would be easily faked. Is there any background on the video other than the claim of being the missing maylasian flight?
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u/Nuclearmonkee Aug 15 '23
I never looked at those details until it was pointed out, but the last frames before the flash look like the lensing effect you see in JWST images of galaxies captured due to the effect of massive galactic clusters in the foreground.
Applying such a weird smearing lens effect onto these frames seems like a pointless detail to include if you’re faking it, as does the pinhole in the cloud pointed out in another gif.
So damn weird. If this is fake, kudos to the maker to include that kind of detail.
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u/moonling Aug 15 '23
By the way, if the footage is real, doesn‘t it make way more sense for the spheres to be markers/tracers and the wormhole being generated from the other side? Basically the 3 spheres go „yeah, we need a wormhole at this exact time at this location“, and they‘re relaying the relevant information to the other side while calibrating. In the end they converge to be within the specified area.
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u/Out_Of_Oxytocin Aug 15 '23
Hey all,
I am a physicist but I do not know much about general relativity which would be necessary to discuss this problem in detail. However, I can say that it is very difficult to discuss what we are seeing here. There are paper out there which discuss the creation of warp drive but each of these warpings of space time discussed in the literature would be either impossible to hide or destroy earth. Hence, it is unlikely that what we are seeing here is real or it can not be described by current physics.
If you have time you can take a look at the following publications:
Miguel Alcubierre. “The warp drive: hyper-fast travel within general relativity”. In: Classical and Quantum Gravity 11.5 (1994), p. L73.
Yosef Joseph Segman. “Warp drive with positive energy”. In: Journal of High Energy Physics, Gravitation and Cosmology 7.3 (2021), pp. 906–913.
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u/MartianMaterial Aug 15 '23
It looks, feels and acts like a Stargate. In almost the full literal sense.
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u/psylock77 Aug 15 '23
is there an online archive of satellite screenshots of weather around andaman sea for us to compare the cloud formation during march 2014 to the alleged video captured by drone and landbased camera? i believe if the clouds formation coincides with the clouds in the video then it musts be authentic and not produced by just an artist.
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u/Early-Perception-250 Aug 15 '23
Look a jet from black hole. Im Just say wher you can something Find https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchrotron_light_source
Good luck
For me this video its Real. We need know proof
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u/Big-Street-414 Aug 15 '23
I hadn't seen any of this before this past week. No question it's real, where did the video come from though? Who is recording this?
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u/Blaster2699 Aug 15 '23
Where did the plane go? Would be kind of cool to just be transported like that
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Aug 15 '23
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FTL Travel and Theoretical Physics predict this!
Read this - Most likely explanation as per my view
The Orbs are Focusing the Gravitational energy on a singular point. Like Lazaar stated that the gravity emitters can move under the craft, in this case the orbs take the role of the gravity emitters. Once the Gravity has been pointed and focused, you warp spacetime and you're gone. Remember how Lazaar said the craft goes on their sides and points it's emitters in relation to direction of travel.
As a user pointed out, this could be an example of FTL, faster than light travel. As someone else mentioned the Alcubiere drive.
Remember the instantaneous acceleration from UAPS? Well if you can go at the speed of light or near it, you will practically disappear to the observer. Infact, you may appear and disappear at your destination to an observer, multiple times. This is very well understood with time dilation physics.
As your speed increases time slows down. In theory at the seed of light time stop and if you travel faster than light, time may go backwards.
The craft may not have been obliterated but travelled so incredibly fast, that all we see is the residual shockwave blast/distortion from the propulsion.
For a detailed breakdown read this. There are Legitimate time dilation math equations that predict this behaviour. Now imagine you are an observer and witness this. The craft itself travelled faster than the photons it's emitting for you to be able to see it
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u/DexMeetsDexter Aug 15 '23
I’m not gonna lie if this video is fake the guy is very creative and detailed. Towards the end you see the craft almost merge together, as if getting ready to teleport. The guy could have just kept the orbs stationary and put the portal but the fact that they were closing in each other right before the teleport is detailed
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u/Longjumping-Wind-560 Aug 30 '23
Isnt MH370 that plane that departed from Malaysia to China (I believe) and completely disappeared from the world and had people obsessed about it for years until debris found near Madagascar claimed it went down in the ocean? Maybe this is what happened to it and the whole plane was just snatched from the sky and teleported to a alien spaceship in orbit where the occupants on board were experimented on like that alien western movie starring Daniel Craig. I’m just thinking crazy, aren’t i
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u/hellotypewriter Aug 15 '23
The big problem I have with this is, if it were shot by a military satellite, why is it not top-down? Instead we have a side view?
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u/Crusty_Holes Aug 15 '23
We NEED a serious physicist to verify this.
I have a PhD in physics.
this may energize the photons outside the wormhole
this sentence is nonsense. you can not "energize a photon". (you can increase the energy of photons via inverse-compton scattering, but that is absolutely not happening here)
and some itty-bitty photon wanders into it
again nonsense.
the photon gains more energy as it falls in and speeds up
again, NONSENSE. photons do not speed up. they all travel at the speed of light.
We see black hole accretion disks do this. Gravity pulls matter and makes it glow. Are we see something like that?
completely inapplicable comparison. no, we're not seeing anything like that.
and by the time it gets to the middle this photon has this enormous energy, and it overwhelms the negative energy holding the wormhole open and it collapses,
more nonsense. there is no such thing as "negative energy". also, the gravitational redshift between an arbitrary zero-point in space and Earth is incredibly SMALL. On Earth's surface the gravitational redshift is approximately 1.1 × 10-16. that means that a photon emitted in space (which we'll define as "0 gravity") will be observed to have its energy increased by a factor of 1.1*10-16. so a 1.0 electron-volt photon that entered a wormhole in space would appear to have an energy of 1.0000000000000001 eV. that is imperceptible.
also, stop calling it the "MH 370" video.
you have no reason to think that is MH 370. there's 0 evidence of that. your conspiratorial speculation is meaningless.
as others have pointed out, that is not the same aircraft that MH 370 is. the aircraft in the shitty hoax video is missing fuselage fins.
that video is a trash hoax and isn't worth the brainpower you're wasting on it
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u/Calm-Reason718 Aug 15 '23
Upvoted, not because you claim it's a hoax, I think it is reasonable to be agnostic, but upvoted for calling out people using science terms without knowing physics. Learn about how photons work, how matter interracts and the mechanism behind it all, don't speculate on things that we know as fact.
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u/Lost_Republic_1524 Aug 15 '23
I'd like to hear from you exactly what evidence AGAINST it being MH370 you have, because I have seen no credible debunks. You're talking in terms of what we understand CURRENTLY in physics, how many times in science have we learned that everything we thought we knew was completely wrong?
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u/ormagoisha Aug 15 '23
I'm open to believing that there are aliens around but the people on this subreddit have absolutely zero filter.
Like it's possible this is a real video of something, but why would that be anyone's default position? Vfx is a thing. Particle simulations can be done in various software packages. You cma easily simulate flir cameras in video games. Visual lensing / distortion effects are trivial to create. It goes on and on. Furthermore, a lot of the best vfx combines really lofi, low cost solutions with 3D effects work. This having a lofi look lends itself to being easier to fake than say a crisp 4k 120hz video.
Thanks for adding a splash of reality here.
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OP - You can also see the inward collapse followed by an explosive expansion of a narrow ring on the outside. This is at the end of the wormhole. This is a peculiar detail. One can try to measure or estimate the rate of expansion of this bubble or "wormhole" and can really do a detailed analysis. If I was a physicist, my curiosity would be peaked af
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