r/StoicMemes 15d ago

Nihilist vs Stoic

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u/yawdorka 15d ago

stoicism can be the practical conclusion to nihilism. I don't see them as incompatible

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u/ItsFuckingScience 15d ago

How so? Is your thinking something like “Life is meaningless so I choose to give it my own meaning”

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u/ChampionOfLoec 15d ago

That would be existentialism because you're assigning meaning.

Stoicism "Life is meaningless, I will continue to walk this path knowing it will lead to nowhere because I choose to. I will find peace in its meaninglessness"

Existentialism "Life is meaningless, I will continue to walk this path knowing it will lead to nowhere because I choose to. My journey gives me meaning because I say it does."

Nihilism "Life is meaningless, therefore nothing matters. I do not matter, life is indifferent, all fades to nothingness eventually"

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u/dunkthelunk8430 14d ago

I will find peace in its meaninglessness

What is the difference between this and absurdism in your mind?

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u/ChampionOfLoec 14d ago

Stoicism is acknowledging existence means nothing and creating peace by remaining true to one's own principles.

Absurdism is acknowledging existence means nothing. Then simply accepting and embracing  the fact it means nothing. Yet there is no peace, as it's absurd. 

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u/chookseven 14d ago
• Absurdism: Life has no inherent meaning, and the best response is to embrace the absurd and live fully without needing answers.
• Existentialism: Life has no inherent meaning, but individuals are free and responsible for creating their own purpose.
• Stoicism: The universe is rational and ordered, so the best way to live is to accept what happens and focus on living virtuously.

Absurdism best fits the scenario of choosing to live despite meaninglessness, as it directly addresses embracing the lack of inherent meaning while still living fully and authentically.

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u/Ser_Gothmer 15d ago

I think you're ascribing additional requirements to being a nihilist here. Though I don't suppose there is a singular agreed upon definition, I tend to believe all that is required is the first part: "Life is meaningless." The response to that doesn't change the nihilism.

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u/chookseven 14d ago

Nihilism is, nothing matters, and that there’s no meaning to anything, full stop. So if there is anything added after that fact, it becomes a different perspective or philosophical ideology.

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u/FoamingCellPhone 12d ago

They're essentially all subsets of nihilism but, this sort of stuff is where philosophy dives inside it's own ass in order to try to maintain academic relevance and stops having practical applications on thought.

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u/TTYFKR 15d ago

that's Existentialism, unless I am mistaken

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u/FoamingCellPhone 12d ago

You're not wrong but... people don't understand nihilism on the internet.

Everyone heard a secondhand Big Lebowski reference and called it a day.