r/Republican • u/GriffinObuffalo MAGA! 🇺🇲 • 5d ago
2028. President Vance, VP Gabbard, Press Secretary Owens. Keep America GREAT 🇺🇲 Discussion
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u/Blanchdog 5d ago
HARD pass on Owens. Even aside from the antisemitism she’s a loon. Doesn’t even think the moon landing happened.
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u/TheIrishman26 4d ago
Ah yes God forbid you question the greatest ally that constantly subverts the United States and other western nations
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u/cathbadh 4d ago
You realize her antisemitism extends far beyond criticizing the foreign policy of one of our allies, right?
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u/Intrepid-Safety-9224 Secular Republican 5d ago
Not a fan of Owens. Other two are top politicians
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u/nafarba57 5d ago
P and VP no problem, but Owens has weird issues with Jews and can’t keep her piehole shut about it. VERY disappointed in her.
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u/Badish_Nationalist 5d ago
You mean she continues talking about topics which many other people won't talk about and you don't want a public conversation about how there are many indications Netanyahu knew about th attacks in Ovtober '23 ? If she's wrong then one can have a public conversation, or not ?
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u/nafarba57 5d ago
Time will tell, but I think she’s de-legitimized herself with the antisemitic tropes, committed career suicide, and likely relegated herself to fringe status, especially as Israel positions itself as the undisputed muscle of its region and obliterates what remains of the “accepted” power axes in the Middle East, ie. Iran and its pet terrorist proxies.
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u/JinxStryker 5d ago edited 3d ago
Candace is low hanging fruit. So I’m going to critique the Tulsi choice.
Republicans are smitten with Gabbard but she was attempting to get the Democrat nomination for president as recently as 2020! Had she gotten the nod, she would have been more than happy to defeat Trump and give the MAGA movement a permanent dirt nap. The standard-issue Left AND the radical Left would have had access to her White House, and the usual Democrat paymasters, donors, various operatives, and denizens of the Deep State — who have been lurking in Biden’s White House —would have had access to her’s, even if she didn’t share all their radical views and even though she wouldn’t have been mentally compromised like Biden. That’s how politics works. Republicans would have been greatly marginalized. That would have been a Gabbard presidency: a calcification of Democrat power in Washington. Would it have been better than Biden’s? By a long shot. But still, Republicans would have been riding in the back of the bus and nowhere near sniffing power for another decade+.
Now a lot of people want her to lead the Republican Party?
I’m old enough to remember her policy positions on a lot of items. I worked on The Hill when she was a member and she could be very liberal. Her time in Congress is not that long ago. Was she offensive in her demeanor? No. Could someone disagree with her without her accusing them of being a Nazi? Yes. But she was no conservative.
I think she’s come over to our side because of the abuse she took by the Clintons, the deep state, and her own party in general. If she wanted to stay in politics and have political relevance, she had no choice but to switch teams. She had many, many years to ditch the Democrat party, because they’ve been nutso for all the world to see for a long time, with things like all the various manifestations of critical theory (including radical gender theory), cultural Marxism in general, open borders, green energy (read: green communism), free speech issues, gun rights, on and on. Yet she stayed with them and operated amongst them at a very high, strategic level. When did she leave? Only last year when they stabbed her in the back one too many times.
Does any of this make her bad? No. Are people allowed to evolve and change their views? Of course. Does she seem like a sensible person? Yes. But Republicans have this bad habit of falling in love with every single Democrat — be it a politician or a celebrity — who agrees with them on anything, and isn’t a total jerk. The Republicans are like the nerd in high school who thinks the popular girl is going to go to prom with him just because she didn’t let her jock boyfriend slap the lunch tray out of his hand. She’s affectionate and kind to the nerd when she sees him in the hall, and tells people not to stuff him in his locker. Sometimes she will even sit and be seen with him (gasp!) when he’s eating alone. Why? Because she’s a fundamentally good person. But does any of this mean that she’s, in her heart of hearts, really simpatico?
I don’t see Tulsi Gabbard as carrying the mantle for MAGA when there are others who were there from the beginning with a more consistent political philosophy. She’s the popular girl in high school now, and if she does let you take her on a date, is it really because she loves you, or is it for something else?
I’m skeptical.
Vance is obviously the heir to MAGA but will be challenged by the Nikki Haley’s of the world for control of the Republican Party. Vance is bright and I think he’ll be a good #2 for Trump. He’ll be the anti-Pence. If Trump has a successful 4 years, he gets Trump’s endorsement (I would think). And that’s a wrap because the ride-or-die MAGA wing is maybe half of the Republican Party, with another 25% of the Republican electorate seriously warming up to the idea. The remaining 25% is still old GOP establishment.
Candace would be hilarious, but no. Might as well select Milo.
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u/RoninGunslinger 4d ago
Thank you. Finally, someone said what needed to be said about Tulsi and very eloquently might I add.
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u/JinxStryker 3d ago edited 3d ago
It’s wild how Republicans slobber over her. I guess they don’t know what she was doing in Congress.
She’s an inoffensive person that you can always have a polite debate with. She’s clearly woken up and smelled the coffee in the past couple years. But it sure as heck took her long enough, and she saw all the things the Democrats were doing that we, the general public, did — only she understood it more intimately. Yet she persisted in her allegiances with them.
Her realignment only happened when she started to look like a porcupine from all the knives sticking out of her, compliments of her old friends.
I don’t think betrayal by your own party automatically gets you a seat at the war table with ours. But I’m obviously in the minority.
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u/GriffinObuffalo MAGA! 🇺🇲 5d ago
I think it's ok to be skeptical, but also hopeful. After all, Trump was a Democrat at one point too.
I think some people have a high enough IQ to look around them, assess what's happening, and change gears, most don't have the mental prowess to overcome their brainwashing, but occasionally you find a couple that do đź’Ş
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u/JinxStryker 5d ago
Yeah I agree. I actually like Tulsi, most every Republican does. Most importantly, Trump likes her and she’s been given a very critical post. So I’m optimistic — but remain a skeptic.
To your Trump comment. Trump was a Democrat most of his life. The primary difference, though, between Trump and Tulsi is if you listen to old interviews with Trump, his politics were essentially the same in 1985 as they are now, and will be in 2025. I can think of very little where he’s changed his views. The positions he took when speaking to Barbara Walters in the 80s sounds exactly like the things Trump is saying now. Tulsi? It’s not the same.
Trump has also proven — in spades — that he’s not just talk. I don’t agree with him on everything and I think he can get squishy himself, but Gabbard has yet to show any of this. Now it seems she has the opportunity. We will see!
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u/TheIrishman26 4d ago
You say she's a low hanging fruit like her not grifting for Israel is a bad thing? I want you to say that in front of the men who were shelled aboard the USS Liberty when it was deliberately attacked by the Israeli army. AIPAC has literally blinded you guys.
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u/JinxStryker 4d ago edited 4d ago
Relax and have a beer.
I meant that I knew Candace would be the focus of these posts and would get a lot of criticism since she’s so outspoken. Easy to criticize by the Daily Wire conservatives among us. Good, bad, or indifferent, OP’s post would get the most comments about her, because she’s the one who jumps off the page.
I didn’t express an opinion, other than acknowledging she’s a lighting rod. And by the way, zero percent chance she’d take a paycut for that job in government (though I’d love to see her rip a few new assholes from the podium).
But since you brought it up, I’ve been watching Candace since she was filming blogs with a janky Nokia as she jogged in her neighborhood. Before you knew her name.
My biggest problem with her is how she was such a leftist and BLM supporter at one time. People can change, I guess. On that note, I’m hoping Tulsi’s awakening is real.
I suspected that Tulsi would be almost universally praised and not criticized at all, so I wanted to look at her from an angle no one else would present. All three of the people pictured have their merits and they also have certain negatives. What’s new. In contrast, the Democrats are a complete shit show so I’d rather be us, dealing with our infighting.
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u/spongetm 5d ago
Definitely not Owens. She can stick to her online stuff but she does not need to be in any government position.
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u/ElJefeDeLosGallos 4d ago
Yeah hard pass on Owens. She’s an antisemite and a grifter
I din’t think the Republican party needs a spokesperson who has recently said that Stalin was secretly Jewish and that’s why there were so many purges/deaths in USSR
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u/SwaggyPsAndCarrots 4d ago
I hate how much people praise Owens. It feels like she tries way too hard to be a tough bitch with her “F your feelings” attitude. She sucks ass
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u/PlayfulAbroad9839 4d ago
I feel like it should be Vance for president and Ron desantis for VP. Owen’s can stay secretary
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u/ninjay209 4d ago
What is with everyone’s obsession with Owens? I’m guessing it is because she is a young woman of color and that would totally “own” the libs but cmon, we can do MUCH better than her.
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u/Important_Cat3274 4d ago
I don't like Candice Owens hostile stance on Israel, so that is a non-starter.
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u/Even_Ferret6333 Eisenhower Conservative 5d ago
I'm looking forward to voting for JD Vance in the future as President. Is it just me or does he look somewhat similar to President Ulysses Grant since he grew the beard?
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u/cito4633 5d ago
I support your first two…
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u/GSW636 5d ago
Except she’s pretty openly antisemetic…
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u/Badish_Nationalist 5d ago
You mean she's talking about Netanyahu probably knowing about the attacks in October '23 beforehand ? If that's untrue one can have a public conversation about it ... unless you are paid by people not to.
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u/Cynical-Engineer Neoconservative 5d ago
Too early to call. We quite frankly don’t know how things will turn out politically in the next 3 years and who’s gonna be the VP. I sure hope it is Youngkin
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u/LarryMyster 5d ago
Wouldn’t mind having Tulsi as First Lady president and Vance as VP. That would stab the liberals hard. I feel it would be kind of a race to put the first woman in office though come to think of it. Just my thoughts. Vance would make an awesome president don’t get me wrong but man it would be bitter sweet if we got Gabbard as president though!
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u/JinxStryker 5d ago
Why would Vance go from Trump’s VP to Gabbard’s VP? That’s fantasy football my dude. Zero percent chance.
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u/Plenty_Village_7355 4d ago
Yep, but if I had to choose between Vance or Tulsi for president, I’d choose Tulsi personally. Maybe I’ll change my mind if Vance does well as VP, but as for now I feel as if Tulsi is better equipped to lead the nation.
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u/JinxStryker 4d ago edited 4d ago
Fair enough. But JD will have 4 years under his belt as VP; if he wins Trump’s confidence, that’s enough for me. I am struck by his level of intellect, in a sea of really dumb politicians (worked on The Hill for ten years, a lot of members are borderline brain damaged — one or two technically are brain damaged).
Vance was my personal selection when I saw the half dozen or so contenders, so I’m biased. He’s not without criticism, but it did occur to me that Trump selected the only actual deplorable in the running for the VP sweepstakes. And this matters, because I wanted someone who would “get” working class, rural America.
I think we have a better bench than the Democrats. Time will tell.
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u/Plenty_Village_7355 4d ago
That is a fair assessment. I was at first weary of Vance when Trump first picked him because he was relatively unknown, but so far I have been pleasantly surprised by his performance and ability to carry himself in debates and interviews. He’s down to earth, and no-nonsense. My only real gripe with him is that he seems a bit too “old school republican” and less MAGA than I’d like but still he’s far better than most in the GOP. I’ll be watching his performance over the next 4 years. As you said, we have a great bench, we have a lot of real contenders for the 2028 presidency so maybe I’m spoiled for choice!
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u/GriffinObuffalo MAGA! 🇺🇲 5d ago
I can see a path to that, of Vance and Gabbard win the next two elections, I cans we her then ruining for pres next for sure.
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u/Legitimate_Taro_1530 5d ago
Owen's is so pretty
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u/GriffinObuffalo MAGA! 🇺🇲 5d ago
She really is gorgeous.
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u/BrokenProletariat- 5d ago
I definitely have a thing for her. Fiercely brilliant and beautiful. <shivers>
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u/GriffinObuffalo MAGA! 🇺🇲 5d ago
I understand a lot of people are pissed about her... Not so favorable comments about Israel, and while I don't agree with her stance on that, she's pretty damn spot on about nearly every other position she takes.
I def find it a little unsettling that so many on the right have turned on her over a single point of contention, that's honestly what liberals do, agree with them on EVERYTHING or you're the enemy.
Those of us on the right, we don't have to agree on everything, and can still find value in the things we do align on, and alignment with Candice is pretty damn close to 90+%.
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u/tiufek 4d ago
Also the moon landing, also flat earth, also the fact that she’s never had a single original idea, I guess if you don’t count the doxxing website she tried to get kickstarted when she was a liberal.
It’s also not just about her lack of support for Israel in this current war, that’s something that can be understood even though I disagree strongly. It’s her conspiratorial anti-Semitic nonsense where she sees spooky jooos behind everything she thinks is bad.
It’s worth reading this entire 16-page letter from her old boss Dennis Prager. If you can read that and live with the fact that she had no response or rebuttal to anything Dennis writes then I guess you and I have very different ways of evaluating people.
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u/cathbadh 4d ago
a single point of contention
Yeah, crazy that they'd turn on a bigot who makes them look bad while attacking the Jewish people and their faith. What next, wondering why people just don't accept David Duke?
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u/Badish_Nationalist 5d ago
The GOP will always stay controlled by zionists, so there isn't any place for people like Owens who question that. Vance was massively supported by Peter Thiel who owns Palantir which works for the Mossad and CIA and Trump got over 100 Million dollars from Miriam Adelson as he continues to ensure support for the zionist agenda. I would like it to not be true but I can't unsee all this zionist support.
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u/attempthappy2020 4d ago edited 4d ago
Ah.. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion —vitriolic , antisemitic propaganda from 19th century Russia that fueled pogroms and used by Hitler in the Holocaust—rehashed right here in American contexts.
Source: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion
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u/Real_FrogMaster2318 MAGA! 🇺🇲 4d ago
Replace Owens with Shapiro and we’re good
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u/GriffinObuffalo MAGA! 🇺🇲 4d ago
I love Shapiro. He's become my go-to podcast guy since Rush passed.
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u/obeythewolves 4d ago
Would be happy to see Vivek as VP but let’s see how they play the upcoming years
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u/Rast8787 4d ago
I like to see people run for president who actually have experience
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u/GriffinObuffalo MAGA! 🇺🇲 4d ago
So you were not in favor of Trump in 2016?
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u/Rast8787 4d ago
I wasn't completely sold on Trump in 2016 , I figured if anyone had experience it was Cruz but I didn't want him as president. I would much rather see Desantis or Abbott as president. Not saying I don't like Trump, I do. But those governors have experience, are staunch and get things done.
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u/truebastard 4d ago
I'd rather have Gabbard as the Prez and Pillsbury Doughboy Vance can be the VP.
That is the direction where the wind is blowing.
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u/Shiny_Mew76 Proud American, Republican, and Christian. 4d ago
JD Vance would be like the Henrik Lundqvist of US Presidents. He would do his job excellently and would look excellent doing it.
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u/aounfather 3d ago
I used to like Owens. But then something happened with her when she started getting more popular the farther she went into conspiracy theories and just saying useless drivel and then pretending she didn’t know why people were upset with her. The “I know everything but I’m also clueless” routine works for a lot of people I guess but nah.
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u/Vladpryde 3d ago
Fuck NO on Owens. She can stay where she's at: 19th best podcast on Spotify and falling. And she can take her "DUUURR THE ZIONISTS DUUURRR" dumbass cult with her.
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u/Fair_Alternative6191 5d ago
I love this, we need to get this to the point that it actually takes place!
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u/Short-Service1248 4d ago
Lmao. How absolutely delusional are you to think fucking Owen’s would be a good pick ?
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u/ihatewebdesign101 4d ago
Dems tried to sneak in a retard into politics, we shouldn’t be doing that guys. Fuck Owens lmao.
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u/continuousmulligan 4d ago
Owens thinks the earth is flat... So there is that.
Why do all conspiracy nutjobs land on the right? Seems to be a repeating pattern.
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u/cathbadh 4d ago
So a conservative, a big government liberal, and... an antisemitic conspiracy theory loving lunatic?
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u/TheIrishman26 4d ago
The glazing of Israel in these comments is actually crazy, look up the USS Liberty attack, look up the Lavon Affair, look up the Zionist terrorist attacks committed against the Christians that lived there before the state of Israel was formed. It's absolutely astonishing how much AIPAC has brainwashed the citizenry of the United States.
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u/shaha-man 4d ago
Not conspiracy theorist Gabbard, I think she won’t be approved by Congress unless she reconsiders her stance on her previous statements
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u/grecks530 4d ago
Did they enter a time machine when taking these jobs?
Jk but to be honest, depending on how things shake I wouldn't be surprised with Tulsi on top of the ticket in 2028. Finally a female politician most of America would respect and rally around. Would love to see leftists shit bricks at the first female pres being Republican too
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u/Justamom1225 4d ago
I am not a fan of Tulsi Gabbard...Nikki Haley is a far superior Republican candidate in my opinion.
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u/merdekabaik 4d ago
I don't know about Owens. But these two candidates would be the perfect match for me.
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u/DiabeticRhino97 4d ago
To that one guy sperging out defending Owens: it's perfectly fine to criticize Israel, but she's delusional and checks under her bed for Israel every night.
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u/Logical_Class_5184 Paleoconservative 4d ago
Miss Owens is great, add Mark Dice and other conservative Christians and right-wingers. America is deeply mired in cultural Marxism and all kinds of deviant behavior.
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u/Oscarwilder123 5d ago
Nope. Owens isn’t a team Player. She has proven time and time again that she is all about herself and Gotcha Moments. She can be good as a podcaster but she wouldn’t be a good press secretary.