r/MurderedByWords 5d ago

Brutal ratio holy shit #1 Murder of Week

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u/Ordinary_Delay_1009 5d ago

Half of America is effectively illiterate.

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u/shawnisboring 4d ago

I wish you weren't basically right...

  • 21% of the country is illiterate
  • 54% of adult Americans read at or below a 6 grade reading level
  • 20% read at such a low level they can't perform jobs that require reading...

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u/la_noeskis 4d ago

In Germany at least 50% of the population (of age < 40) have at least an english level of B2.

You are cooked.

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u/justwannabeloggedin 4d ago

I might unintentionally be proving I'm the 21% but what is B2

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u/Chosen_Chaos 4d ago

After a quick Google search, it's part of the Common European Frame of Reference for Languages and B2 is the fourth of six levels and seems to be moderately advanced.

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u/Grigoran 4d ago

Damn so they can discuss vague concept in English and we can't even read straightforward instructions in our own native language fuuuuuck

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u/Aelig_ 4d ago

B2 is a bit more than vague concepts usually.

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u/SuquimdeUva 4d ago

You normally have to only need B2 is you can go to college and learn well. B1 is you can travel to somewhere that speaks it and be ok enough and confortable with it. C1 is you are great at it. C2 is you're basically a native having learning it from outside.

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u/ban_jaxxed 4d ago

Its pretty impressive for Germany,

I think its the requirement to do a post graduate degree in English (the course in English. Not an English degree)

I'm monolingual in english and I'm pretty sure im not B2 lol

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u/AffenMitWaffen2 2d ago

B2 isn't that impressive, it's a requirement for most english bachelor degrees, with C1 being recommended, most masters require C1.

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u/ban_jaxxed 2d ago

in the context of that amount of the population in a none English speaking country it is though.

It wouldn't be impressive in like England lol.

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u/Extaupin 2d ago edited 2d ago

they can discuss vague concept

I'm sorry to double tap you like that, but don't you mean "abstract" instead?

Btw, because it's relevant, I'm not a native speaker but I did pass my Cambridge assessment B2 during high-school, I had good writing and listening but terrible speaking, I could read novels but I could barely say hello, and I needed subtitles for Youtube. Now I passed C2, I can mostly understand original Shakespeare but I struggle, and I can have technical conversations in my domain (went working abroad). To give you a rough idea of European level (and France is considered very bad in English for European standards)

PS: feel free to correct any mistake I made, that'd be more than fair game.

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u/seetfniffer 2d ago

You added an 'e' after "domain"

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u/Extaupin 2d ago

Fixed, thanks!

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u/MsTellington 2d ago

I heard that French students were meant to have B2 level at the end of high school (baccalauréat général). Which didn't really track with the fact that, despite being a good student (16/20 average in English class, top of the class) I could not read an actual English book out of high school.

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u/hnsnrachel 4d ago

Learners who achieve B2 Upper intermediate level can:

understand the main ideas of complex texts on concrete or abstract topics, including some technical discussions express themselves fluently and spontaneously enough to comfortably communicate with other English speakers produce clear, detailed text on many subjects and explain a complex viewpoint on a topic, including expressing advantages and disadvantages.

From that, it translates to somewhere between 4th and 8th grade reading level, depending on which definitions of reading levels you look at