r/LosAngeles • u/kananishino • 1d ago
Video captures woman lighting car on fire at Hollywood gas station Crime
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/video-captures-woman-lighting-car-on-fire-hollywood-gas-station/105
u/norCsoC 23h ago
It’s time to institutionalize these ones.
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u/HairyPairatestes 23h ago
But you know that would be racist.🙄
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u/Delicious_Lion5142 22h ago
This is such annoying unhelpful troll commentary.
If you want to actually discuss involuntary confinement for crazy people, then do that instead of commenting like a 12 year Twitter troll
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u/fedora_and_a_whip 21h ago
That would require an understanding deeper than a 12 year old tho, so they're shit out of luck.
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u/HairyPairatestes 21h ago
Then take your argument up with the ACLU one of the main players in getting forced mental health treatment banned in California
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u/Itotiani 20h ago
You're thinking of Reagan.
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u/HairyPairatestes 17h ago
Once again, it was the ACLU filing suit in California that started the shutdown of mental institutions.
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u/HairyWeinerInYour I HATE CARS 22h ago
I support compulsory institutionalization where it is truly necessary but this kind of rhetoric intentionally ignoring how state-enforced institutionalization was historically weaponized against all sorts of marginalized groups (INCLUDING low income white Americans) is counterproductive, annoying, and dare I say outright stupid. The pitfalls of these types of policies shouldn’t be scoffed at.
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u/HairyPairatestes 17h ago
Who gets to decide that someone is going to be institutionalized, you?
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u/I405CA 1d ago
In 2023, the homeless set almost 14,000 fires in LA.
According to LAFD, "we have seen fires start as a result of arguments that have escalated in our unhoused communities."
https://www.nfpa.org/news-blogs-and-articles/nfpa-journal/2023/03/03/homeless
Many fires related to homelessness are set intentionally.
Over the three years, such fires classified as arson have steadily comprised about one-third of the total…
…Though few arsons are solved, limited evidence suggests that the perpetrators are most often other homeless people. Three-fourths of those arrested identified themselves as homeless.
No one should be surprised that a population dominated by mental illness is causing problems:
two-thirds (67%) of unhoused persons were diagnosed with a current psychiatric disorder. The most common was substance use disorder. Alcohol use disorder occurred in over 25% of these individuals, and substance use disorders, including alcohol use disorder, occurred in over 43%.
Unhoused individuals experienced psychotic disorders at a markedly increased rate compared to the general population. In some studies, about 14% of those experiencing homelessness were diagnosed with a psychotic disorder. In other studies, about 7% were diagnosed with schizophrenia and 8% with bipolar disorder. Although not specifically reported in this study, many individuals with psychotic disorders also have substance use disorders.
Antisocial personality disorder, major depression, anxiety disorders, and post-traumatic stress disorder were also common in unhoused individuals, occurring in about 26%, 19%, 14%, and 10.5%, respectively.
The overall lifetime prevalence of psychiatric disorders among individuals experiencing homelessness was estimated to be 75%. It was higher for men (86%) than for women (69%).
The root of the problem is involuntary commitment is now largely unconstitutional.
Ignore the DSA and activists who try to claim that this is a problem that can be fixed with apartments.
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u/Mylaptopisburningme 23h ago
I've felt the homeless needs to be a federal issue like FEMA level. These people roam and their records don't follow. County mental health care is horrific. Personal experiences.
The US leaves it to states who leave it to cities and cities next to each other can't agree.
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u/BubbaTee 22h ago
Logistics aside, it's a federal issue because the Supreme Court says so. They're the major roadblock in providing proper care for the mentally ill and severely addicted, thanks to O'Connor v Donaldson (1975).
It's one thing to allow a person to decline medical treatment for a broken arm, because a broken arm doesn't affect your ability to make rational decisions in your own self interest. It's another when the condition/disability a person has impairs their ability to think normally.
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u/I405CA 22h ago
We need to overturn or at least heavily modify O'Connor v Donaldson so that the 5150/5250 statutes could be expanded and the institutions reopened (albeit with more dignity than they used to provide.)
For that matter, Robinson v California needs to be somewhat overturned so that the most potent drugs such as meth and fentanyl are not included in its protections.
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u/I405CA 22h ago
I would agree that it needs to be treated primarily as a state and federal problem.
For example, it is ridiculous to believe that the homeless in the city of LA must be sheltered in the city of LA. There should be state facilities to deal with this.
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u/gobblegobblebiyatch 22h ago
Essentially you're talking about internment camps. No state politicians would ever support the idea if they care about staying in office.
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u/I405CA 22h ago
So this open air asylum program is working well for you?
At this point, the voters would probably approve of such changes with a supermajority.
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u/gobblegobblebiyatch 12h ago
Looks like the ball is already rolling on that, but I have doubts about whether it'll actually solve the crisis versus just a band-aid that'll lose funding in a few years. https://calmatters.org/health/2023/10/california-mental-health-involuntary-treatment-law/
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u/I405CA 11h ago
Much of the CARE Court program is voluntary. The client can be forced into the program, but the client gets to choose the treatments. It falls far short of involuntary commitment.
O'Connor v Donaldson limits what the state can do. Newsom is trying, but his hands are largely tied. The real goal of CARE is to get families and others involved so that the client will get serious about trying to improve.
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u/Delicious_Lion5142 22h ago
Too bad nothing short of major overhaul of our society is going to stop the flow of people becoming newly homeless.
We can keep arguing over how to shovel water out of the boat (aka what we do with hobos) - but that still won’t help you plug the leak of the homeless population rising daily
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u/Electronic-Pin-7042 23h ago
As opposed to the tried and trusted solution of yelling at them to pick themselves up by their bootstraps
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u/I405CA 23h ago
Those of us who are liberal should recognize that neither the progressives nor the Republicans are providing answers to these problems.
Both groups fail us with their own versions of hubris and naivete.
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u/RandomGerman Downtown 21h ago
You are right. It’s either “homeless are people and can’t be touched” or “lock them up or worse”. I don’t think there is a good solution that makes everyone happy. They need to be handled and they are human beings. These extreme people need to be handled. The nice guy who sleeps in his car and never harmed a fly needs to be supported.
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u/averageTdude 17h ago
I mean if they atleast locked them up when they committed crimes so they'd be forced to sober up in jail/prison, that would be nice.
Instead it seems like homeless people can commit even violent crimes and get away with no more than a few hours in jail.
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u/RandomGerman Downtown 14h ago
It feels like it. Police know they can’t touch them so they don’t do anything in the first place. Or they don’t want to deal with a crazy drugged up person in their car. And station so they hide and hope it goes away.
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u/Delicious_Lion5142 7h ago
Police can pretty much do whatever the fuck they want.
Remember when there were protests about police brutality and lack of accountability for cops, and then the cops beat the shit out of the protestors, and we all pretended like serious changes were made, when they actually weren’t?
Ya cops can do whatever they want
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u/Prudent-Advantage189 19h ago
Nobody wants a progressive solution to be implemented or you wouldn’t stop hearing about hand outs
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u/What-Even-Is-That 22h ago
You're right, let's do nothing instead. That seems to work.
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u/I405CA 22h ago edited 22h ago
Thanks for the strawman comment.
Many of these call for secure mental facilities, not heavily subsidized housing where individuals such as this one are free to come and go and wreak havoc.
https://abc7.com/post/woman-faces-16-charges-405-freeway-chase-ended/14861317/
The wrong-way 405 driver who made the news earlier this year was living in her van and at the Bridge transitional housing project in Venice. She is out on a diversionary program after causing substantial damages, consuming first responder resources and injuring people. If that's your idea of "doing something", then count me out.
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u/bethey_docrime 23h ago
Help I don't know if I should ignore activists or read your weekly diatribes about homelessness
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u/Thaflash_la 1d ago
I love that your root cause is literally a reaction. You either don’t know the definition of the term or you simply don’t think everything that happens before taking away human rights is a problem. People like you are why we don’t deserve better.
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u/I405CA 1d ago edited 23h ago
I'm not the one who is setting fires at 4am.
This has all of the elements of a "justice fire" except that the homeless perpetrator's adversary was in her imagination.
I realize that you think that you are noble for defending the indefensible. But your nobility is in your imagination, much like the indignity that this woman believed was justification for arson.
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u/CommentExciting_7555 23h ago
Arson is a crime, and a very dangerous one at that. People who commit crimes should go to jail. The person who had his car burned may have been using it for shelter, but too bad for him I guess. I’m sick of this make believe that being poor instantly means you can’t be held responsible for anything because oppression.
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u/Thaflash_la 23h ago
Your imagination is wild. Me saying the root cause of a problem goes deeper than a reaction to that same problem set off some intricate story in your troubled mind. Again, when that’s how you think, we don’t deserve better. We get results within your capacity.
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u/nhormus 1d ago
Open air insane asylum, the inmates wander around screaming and doing as they please, and then when they do shit like this we throw up our hands and say wow what could we have possibly done to prevent this.
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u/CommentExciting_7555 23h ago
Our safety to not burn to death in our homes or to ride the trains without being assaulted is a luxury, evidently. All that matters is the trauma story of the person setting the fire. Can’t be mean to him! Sure a normal person who starts a fire should go to jail, but if they’re unhoused then no one has any power to do anything evidently.
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u/Cinemaphreak 20h ago
Im definitely not getting back on the Metro without bear spray. Crime on them is actually lower than some on Reddit would have you believe, but I've been robbed and know first hand you just need to stay calm & hand over what they want.
With these completely insane people, all bets are off. They were already assaulting and murdering people, now they are setting vehicles and that effing poor woman in NYC on fire.
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u/bulk_logic 20h ago
Open air insane asylum, the inmates wander around
You guys need just as much help as they do talking about people like this.
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u/YourOldCellphone 17h ago
Eventually the people that live in LA will grow so tired of the inaction that they will take it into their own hands. Things have a real possibility of getting hairy if the government doesn’t do something about this asap.
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u/gobblegobblebiyatch 22h ago
The feeling of power and control in an otherwise powerless and destitute life.
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u/Temporary-Opinion-84 1d ago
Parked at the gas station overnight ?
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u/Mammoth_Marsupial_26 1d ago
Probably one step above homeless if he was taking 4am uber orders while also probably studying full time and or holding another job
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u/Temporary-Opinion-84 1d ago
He said he was sleeping. He also mentioned waiting to get his car fixed. Which you can see the bumper in the video. How will his insurance cover him if he wasn’t parked at an actual address listed on his policy
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u/devilsdontcry 20h ago
There is a mechanic shop attached to that gas station. Probably left his car over night at the mechanic and they left it parked there
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u/TwistedCKR1 22h ago
I think, at this point, there needs to be a hotline to call when people see someone wandering aimless with violent outbursts. Gone are the days of just looking the other way and letting them punch or scream at the air. If they’re showing signs of being hostile then they need to be committed, as they are a potential danger to themselves and others. I don’t think that’s too much to ask.
We need to stop waiting for them to decide to hit something other worse.
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u/ElegantDaemon 21h ago
The problem is there's nothing to be done at the other end of the hotline.
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u/Cinemaphreak 20h ago
Wasn't there a program that was sending trained crisis people out to deal with them? But it might have been a trail program and lacked the funding to expand.
There's also the jurisdictional issues that plagues all attempts to deal with the homeless. It's where L.A. really looks weak next to NYC because at least that's all one city whereas here it's so fragmented.
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u/precludes 17h ago
Uh, the LADMH is still actively sending PMRTs (psychiatric mobile response teams) out. The problem is in scale. There are many more people having mental health crises than LA has licensed, qualified case managers. See also: how full and chaotic the psychiatric urgent cares like Exodus, Stars, UCLA Olive View, etc. are.
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u/ElegantDaemon 15h ago
I wonder how many of these people were shipped here on Greyhounds from red states.
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u/precludes 15h ago
In some cases. But don’t discount when people in mania autonomously buy one way tickets or forget to board their return flights because they got high.
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u/SpreadsheetSlut Hollywood 20h ago
There is a program called CIRCLE which is under funded but has effective tactics for homeless who are wandering, ill, naked, etc. But it’s for non-violent response. The problem is when someone is acting aggressive, it’s LAPD’s domain. And we know how that goes.
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u/TwistedCKR1 19h ago
Yeah, and that’s the issue with it being kicked to LAPD’s domain unfortunately. Definitely needs to be talk about funding CIRCLE more if it’s underfunded, and adding extra personnel who are trained with more aggressive individuals.
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u/Delicious_Lion5142 7h ago
Try calling 911 and wait on hold. We’re all on our own, nobody is going to protect you from shit.
Try asking yourself why the US has so many school shootings and you’ll see why things are the way they are - people don’t give a shit about each other
Goddamn the Joaquin phoenix joker movie was fucking good
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u/HereToListen444 22h ago
AH YES but Karen Bass said the "unsheltered homelessness" has gone down, and just a little more LOCKING ARMS and we're good!!!!
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u/thatwwefoo 1d ago
As a tax payer, I wouldn’t giving the homeless a home in the form of a prison cell.
Isn’t it called the “Department of Corrections and REHABILITATIONS”?
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u/BubbaTee 22h ago
That's just a name. CDCR doesn't actually do any rehabilitation, or even care about it. Audits of the department have found:
prisoners are given rehab credits for enrolling in classes, regardless of whether they actually attend them, let alone complete the course.
nobody tracks what percentage of prisoners enrolled in rehab classes actually complete them.
nobody tracks the recidivism rates of parolees and early release prisoners who took rehab classes, compared to those who didn't.
https://www.bsa.ca.gov/pdfs/reports/2018-113.pdf
The main purpose of prison "rehab" in CA is to let prisoners out early, in response to outdated concerns of prison overcrowding. CA prisons were overcrowded in 2010. But in 2024, CA prisons are so empty that they're being closed.
Prison rehab is like that special class that the football team takes, where they all get automatic As in order to keep them academically eligible to play. Sure, if anyone actually learns anything in that class it's great, but that's not the real reason the class exists.
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u/monkeyburrito411 22h ago
Where are good people when you need them? Just filming not helping like usual? Such a shame we have to rely on police who take too long to show up.
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u/MarineBeast_86 12h ago
We absolutely need to get every (and I mean every) single homeless person off the streets. Either jail, or involuntary long term rehab or mental institution. Enough is enough. Then build tiny home communities where they get a free house after being rehabilitated. And hook them up with a gov’t job so they have an income. We need to bring tough love back to this country.
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u/NeedMoreBlocks 1d ago
Part of me wonders if Karen Bass knows/cares that just letting this shit go on because she's against over-policing is going to lead to over-policing like this country hasn't seen since the 70's. The president that was previously voted out for his pro-police stance in 2020 just got voted back in and the city just elected a prosecutor who loves the death penalty. Clearly the tide has shifted and "compassion fatigue" has set in. Instead of actually helping people, she's just condemned them all.
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u/Accomplished_Gap4824 1d ago
If she was against over policing she wouldn’t have let the police budget balloon. She’s such a fucking quack
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u/HairyWeinerInYour I HATE CARS 23h ago
Genuine question, has Karen promoted any anti-policing policies? I’m not a fan of the troglodyte but I also don’t understand how increased police violence will increase the amount of people with housing - especially considering she’s done nothing to rein in LAPD that I’m aware of. Is your suggestion everyone without a residence be out in a jail cell?
I will be transparent and say it’s hard to imagine a solution that excludes housing first and compulsory rehab/institutionalization.
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u/KidB33 23h ago
People like the person you’re replying to like to oversimplify these problems by pretending like “more enforcement” and “voting out incumbents” will fix the homelessness situation. The idea that Karen Bass is “anti police” when the LAPD budget is increasing by 125 million dollars next year is nonsense
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u/scarby2 22h ago
It's hard to imagine a solution that doesn't require a complete re-think of our entire approach to homelessness, which is rather unlikely.
However I think the part of the issue is that from the perspective of the average person putting all the homeless in jail does solve the problem.
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u/mveightxnine 23h ago
I’m sure she’s aware as I’m sure her pockets are aware especially with the billions we’ve spent on homelessness with much of that money being untracked/going missing. This is real life Gotham city and homelessness is a business.
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u/peropeles 1d ago
Keep voting for the same people and the same things will keep happening.
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u/Legitimate_Ad785 5h ago
Who do u think we should vote for that can solve homelessness? There no solution for the homelessness except to make homelessness illegal and then lock them up. But that will never happen.
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u/officialCobraTrooper 12h ago
Let me commend all the people in the comment section here for providing useful information about what's really going on with the homeless crisis. Fact that people are debunking myths and actually discussing the issue at hand is very important.
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u/Loose-Orifice-5463 1d ago edited 19h ago
Before people start blaming the homeless for this, I would like to remind everyone that the plurality of the homeless are not insane pyromaniacs intent on murder and destruction of society.
edit: nuanced humor is lost on you all.
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u/NeedMoreBlocks 1d ago edited 22h ago
They aren't but they are one of the most easy groups to perceive as a monolith. It's imperative to punish the ones that do act recklessly, because otherwise people will go after all of them. Once you attach a reputation of being dangerous to people who are omnipresent due to living outside, it is very hard to get "the mob" to put down their pitchforks.
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u/thanatossassin Burbank➡️Portland OR 1d ago
That's a bullshit statistic that came out of your ass, if I've ever heard one.
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u/thanatossassin Burbank➡️Portland OR 1d ago
I'm just not lumping every homeless person together like they're all criminals or even the cause of their situation. Look up at the boot you're licking if you want to figure out where the problem lies
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u/UghKakis 1d ago
Glad you moved to Portland. Keep it weird ✌🏼
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u/_mattyjoe Glendale 1d ago
A city that’s a dystopian lawless disaster because of this exact mentality lol
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u/lrodhubbard Highland Park 1d ago
"Location: Glendale" bahahahahahahaaaa
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u/_mattyjoe Glendale 23h ago
What’s your point?
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u/lrodhubbard Highland Park 23h ago
LA is only a dystopian lawless disaster to people who hide in their suburban enclaves and complain about it on the internet. Enjoy the Americana though!
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u/CPlusPlus4UPlusPlus 1d ago
Then why is always a homeless person caught in 4K doing this shit? Always.
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u/Electronic_Common931 Eagle Rock 1d ago
I originally thought, wow that’s a stupid statement. Then looked at your post history and now it all becomes very clear.
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u/soleceismical 20h ago
The vast majority of murderers are men, but the vast majority of men are not murderers.
Some people lose their housing due to bad luck and financial fallout of something like getting cancer and not having a local support system for various reasons. This group tends to be homeless only temporarily and "self-resolve" (to use LAHSA's word) out of it. This is the majority of people experiencing homelessness.
And some people lose their housing because their behavior is so dangerous and erratic that none of their family members or friends can safely allow them to stay with them. These are the minority of the total homeless population, but by far the most visible, and they stay homeless chronically. Also some chronically homeless people are not dangerous, but quite disabled in terms of executive functioning.
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u/Vashsinn 1d ago
Reminder that most people are a handful of paychecks away from being homeless. Some are even one late paycheck away.
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u/CPlusPlus4UPlusPlus 23h ago
So most people are a handful of paychecks away from intentionally setting cars on fire at a gas station? Is that what you’re saying ?
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u/IAMTHESILVERSURFER 22h ago
So being homeless due to economic reasons gives you license to burn a car?
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u/Vashsinn 22h ago
Reading comprehension be hard.
It's Def that right? It couldn't be anything else I'm saying? It's just that murder is right?
Ffs get your head out of your ass. I know it's comfortable in there but damn.
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u/illaparatzo 🍕 21h ago
So crazy that the takeaway for people here is to get mad at the mentally incompetent person instead of being enraged at how fucking terrible it is that so many people are one or two missed checks away from being the guy in the car, and he's one burned car away from being the dude on the street slipping into mental illness
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u/Comfortable-Twist-54 20h ago
She’s very pretty and well put together. Probably off her meds…glad no one was harmed sux about dudes car though.
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u/lizardunbroken 22h ago
that person does not look unhoused. nice purse, nice suitcase. looks like a jilted lover to me.
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u/HairyPairatestes 23h ago
I’m sure the majority of people complaining, and insisting this person be put in jail or mental institution are also monthly contributors to the ACLU who fight to keep a woman like this out of jail or a mental institution
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u/Past_Resist_3905 22h ago
I love seeing this kind of chaos fly in the face of capitalism!
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u/nhormus 22h ago
Hope you say the same thing when someone torches your car
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u/Past_Resist_3905 22h ago
I can't afford a car, I just have a razor scooter
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u/nhormus 22h ago
So I hope you say the same thing when someone steals your scooter and sells it for meth.
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u/Garden_Espresso 1d ago
Got nothing to say - that hasn’t been said before —. Other than, feel bad for the guy whose car got destroyed.