r/LeopardsAteMyFace Apr 27 '22

Desantis gets a taste of his own medicine

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u/Sobuhutch Apr 27 '22

Yeah, but Republicans like slavery.

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u/Spacefreak Apr 27 '22

No, no, no. They just want people to have the freedom to sell themselves into slavery.

They're just courageously fighting for our freedoms, guys.

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u/achillymoose Apr 27 '22

No no no, they just want to put bullshit laws on the books so they can arrest black people and actually use them as slave labor in the prison system

I don't know why they teach in schools that we ended slavery. It never ended, it just looks a little different now. They even still have the slave catchers, and they still wear badges

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u/Mortwight Apr 27 '22

It used to be worse. But yes prison labor is still slave labor

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u/HKZSquared Apr 27 '22

Prison labor is literally only legal because when we banned slavery, we kept it legal as punishment for crime.

It’s just that “crime” is vague.

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u/Mortwight Apr 27 '22

I mean prison labor used to be worse. It's fairly mild now. My exp is north west Florida.

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u/HKZSquared Apr 27 '22

I agree with that, but only in the sense that modern prison labor makes money, or otherwise saves on costs, and work that makes money generally isn’t breaking rocks just to break rocks.

License plate manufacturing, last I knew, was a prisoner thing in most places. I wonder how much money they save by making a slave do that job. What would they do if there were no prisoners at all?

They’d have to actually pay people real money to make them, and that’s no good.

Plus, “for profit prison.”

What the everloving fuck is that?

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u/Mortwight Apr 27 '22

For profit "tend" to be nicer cleaner etc. The profit is from the federal monies. They also scrape money from the inmates in phone calls and now email costs. Most of the labor is the cleaning of dorms and working in the kitchens and maintaining the grounds. There are outside crews that do litter and lawn maintenance for the state/County. Most state prisons are wildly underfunded and probably criminal in their facilities. Again NW Florida exp. It's a cage for nonfunctional people and addicts.

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u/emdave Apr 27 '22

Great video on this topic by Knowing Better on YouTube - https://youtu.be/j4kI2h3iotA

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u/Madhighlander1 Apr 27 '22

The relevant constitutional amendment explicitly states that slavery is still allowed 'as punishment for a crime'.

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u/Theungry Apr 27 '22

Slavery is allowed as punishment for a crime. Make drug use a crime. Make sure drug addiction is fostered in black communities. Codify different penalties for drugs rich people do vs poor people. Use your newfound slave labor to make more money for rich people.

This is not even controversial. This is just a list of things the US has done in my life time.

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u/jcact Apr 27 '22

I wonder what would happen in our judicial system if we mandated that everyone use a court-appointed district attorney (including no self-representation) so your wealth couldn't influence your representation in court. If you're wealthy enough to afford your own counsel, the court will bill you for it after the case, and if you aren't wealthy the court doesn't bill you, but either way you get defended by the same attorneys, who are being paid by the court for their time, not by you.

We'd probably still have some inequalities (like school systems) based on how well funded a court system is, but at least within a court system I'd bet they suddenly decriminalize stuff that everyone including rich people do (like weed) and possibly see some people in actual positions of influence start pushing for public defenders to get the staffing they need for their workloads.

I don't think we could actually practically implement this since it's a big imposition on our right to defend ourselves in court to the best of our own ability. But I am really curious what would happen if we took steps to give the same representation across the board.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

Based

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u/Kaminohanshin Apr 27 '22

I'm reminded of a tweet of a guy saying he loves being called a conspiracy theorist for saying things that the CIA has openly admitted to doing. Like MKultra. Some of these things are not that far fetched as we believe.

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u/Zolibusz Apr 27 '22

No, it says that slavery is in fact allowed, but not legally enforced and recognized unless it is punishment for a crime. It does not make it illegal or a crime to keep slaves, it just ends slavery as a legal institution.

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u/Madhighlander1 Apr 27 '22

Actually it says the opposite:

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

That's the verbatim text of the thirteenth amendment.

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u/Zolibusz Apr 27 '22

This is exactly what I said. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude (...) shall exist within the United States (...) means that the legal institution of slavery is no longer there. You can't buy or sell a slave in a legally enforced contract and you can't go to court and claim that a person is yours as you own that person.

You know what it does not do? Make it a crime to keep slaves! Claiming you practiced slavery was an actual legal defense in debt peonage cases, and the people who used it won their cases and walked free until as late as 1941, even if they kept people chained and locked up, worked them to death and whipped or caned them as punishment, etc...

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u/Madhighlander1 Apr 27 '22

I would love to see you go to court and argue that.

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u/Zolibusz Apr 27 '22

It is illegal now... under a lot of different statutes.

But up until 1941 slavery was not punished if the slave was not a debt peon (the debt was fictitious) or if the slave was "convicted" for ""crime" like running away from his/her workplace thus breaking their "labor contract".

In 1941 Circular 3591 by Attorney General Francis Biddle changed the ongoing practice under orders from FDR.

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u/After_Preference_885 Apr 27 '22

Some historians argue that slavery was not legal in the colonies.

"The Declaratory Act had the force of English law within the colonies, and it was enacted 21 years before the constitutional convention in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Furthermore, Parliament did not repeal the Declaratory Act, and no subsequent colonial slave statutes were lawfully promulgated and enacted. However, after the Definitive Treaty of Peace in 1783 that ended the American Revolutionary War was ratified, 500,000 Revolutionary War-era blacks were enslaved based upon the presumptive validity of “colonial statutes.” These presumptive free Englishmen were not granted a due process hearing. No American ever met their burden by proving ownership title required by law and controlled by the holding in Rex v. Stampylton. Yet, Revolutionary War-era blacks were denied due process and then exploited as slaves… becoming the bedrock of America’s slave pool."

https://www.idabwellscenter.net/the-illegality-of-slavery-in-colonial-america

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u/Zolibusz Apr 27 '22

That argument is quite good, but it does not change the fact that US courts did not see it that way and slavery was enforced by courts and law enforcement until the 13th amendment came into effect. After that criminal punishment for keeping slaves (not debt peons) was not or just rarely present until 1941.

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u/BornAgainSober Apr 27 '22

And like you said, laws (plural) is the dangerous part of their plan other than the hate involved obviously. An oppressive and bigoted government isn’t built overnight and undoing the damage won’t be a quick fix either. It’s all by design.

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u/NotThatEasily Apr 27 '22

I don’t know to what level you are joking, but this is a very real argument from the religious right. The bible gives instructions on paying your debt by selling yourself into indentured servitude and there are large groups of people that believe that should still be legal.

Those same people also say that is the slavery the bible references, which is why slavery is okay in the bible.

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u/Matrixneo42 Apr 27 '22

In todays world that’s also known as insurmountable debt and/or wages too low.

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u/Rad_Dad6969 Apr 27 '22

There's literally ranchers and farmers all across the southern US that keep immigrants working for little to no wages under the threat of imprisonment and deportation. One of them got caught recently and it was turned into a joke by the media because they found out he dressed up as Joe Biden for a goof one time. Break one US law and they think you're eligible for slave labor, and they break about 15 laws to keep people working for them.

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u/zombie_girraffe Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 27 '22

Yes, but mentioning slavery violates Floridas other ban on discussing Critical Race Theory, and the parts in the bible about being a "steward of the earth" or whatever violates Floridas ban on discussing climate change.

Florida Republicans have basically made it illegal to teach anything that might make a wealthy old racist uncomfortable in public schools.

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u/BossRedRanger Apr 27 '22

They don't want to teach the people to free.

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u/jcact Apr 27 '22

Technically critical race theory would still leave the discussion of those who sold themselves (or their kids) into slavery to pay off debts (or whose debtors took them to court and got them sold into slavery), which does have its own tie-ins to modern life I suppose. But most of the book of Exodus is definitely out the window.

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u/Grantoid Apr 27 '22

B-b-but it was the DEMOCRATS who did slavery!! We're the party of Lincoln!

Pay no attention to the history of the parties or state voting records...

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u/Nymaz Apr 27 '22

We're the party of Lincoln!

...they say while waving a Confederate flag.

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u/disposableaccountass Apr 27 '22

We were always at war with Eurasia.

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u/AkumaBajen Apr 27 '22

Support of slavery is a bi-partisan affair in the USA where it's still legal and practiced as per the 13th Amendment.

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u/MakionGarvinus Apr 27 '22

Pay WHAT now..????

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u/Fig1024 Apr 27 '22

if they like it so much, can I enslave one?

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u/SupaSlide Apr 27 '22

I'm sure they'd be willing to betray their Black conservative friends if it meant they could have slaves too.

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u/Dark_Pandemonium23 Apr 27 '22

Most are completely willing to betray themselves as well as their own friends & families if it means they can help in the oppression of someone else. Yes, they consider it a bonus if that (those) others are not their own race, "religion," "gender," nationality (from another state/town, or dare to prefer a different sports team.)

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u/Nymaz Apr 27 '22

Step 1, form a corporation.

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u/Anthaenopraxia Apr 27 '22

Most people like slavery as long as they can't see it. Or they are extremely ignorant, might be that too.

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u/Amphibionomus Apr 27 '22

Bullshit. They could whip black people in a field in Alabama and lots of people would be fine with it if it were still legal. (And even if it isn't.)

Don't overestimate people's empathy.

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u/WillyDreamsAboutRice Apr 27 '22

And they still do, under the special clause of the 13th amendment

Photo: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8aQ5B12soOw/UW4eNgivpFI/AAAAAAAAFBg/rOKMpBk6SSI/s1600/Angola+Prison+-+Louisiana.jpg

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u/Amphibionomus Apr 27 '22

Of course. Slavery never ended, it was rephrased.

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u/WillyDreamsAboutRice Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 27 '22

Maybe taxpayers would be less burdened with less of their dollars going to throwing non-violent crimes/ minorities in jail. Or killing brown kids in Yemen. Or appropriately taxing billionaires. Or maybe scrapping the whole 'for profit system' in general.

Nice personal responsibility /alt-right narrative, though.

Edit: This you? https://imgur.com/a/AJYYHQu

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u/TheMattaconda Apr 27 '22

lack of empathy *

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u/Anthaenopraxia Apr 27 '22

Hmm define "lots"... I have only visited the US once and that was at MIT in Boston so I really don't know what people think. I just know that people in general happily buy slave-made products because they are cheap.

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u/Amphibionomus Apr 27 '22

define "lots"

Well I'd say ever so slightly less than the amount that voted for a certain fruit tinted president. Coincidentally you probably won't find that much of those people at MIT. But certainly also not zero of them.

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u/Anthaenopraxia Apr 27 '22

I'm guessing you are referring to the last one..

Btw do you Americans vote primarily for people or for party? Like would people vote republican or democrat regardless of whether they like the nominee?

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u/Amphibionomus Apr 27 '22

I'm not American, but most Americans vote R or D, along party lines.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

It's worse than that. It feels like now we don't actually vote for anyone, but rather against the horrible monster the other party put up.

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u/TheMattaconda Apr 27 '22

It's the inevitable outcome from decades of choosing the lesser of two evils.

It ALWAYS makes future choices more and more evil.

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u/LAbombsquad Apr 27 '22

It’s like we’re all Philly fans all of a sudden. Rooting for the other team to lose more than our team to win.

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u/LOOKATMEDAMMIT Apr 27 '22

I honestly wish I could tell you that I vote for the candidate and not the party, but lately I've been voting for the least bad option which happens to be Democrat.

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u/Anthaenopraxia Apr 27 '22

What about Greens, Libertarians etc?

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u/FishOfFishyness Apr 27 '22

B- but the demoncrats wanted slavery!!!!!!

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u/Fun-Outlandishness35 Apr 27 '22

Capitalists like slavery.

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u/Master_Tinyface Apr 27 '22

I think by slavery you mean “states’ rights.” /s

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u/AFlockofLizards Apr 27 '22

No, they just support state rights! (to own slaves)

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u/kryonik Apr 27 '22

But they don't like people learning about slavery. It's definitely a catch-22

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u/LeoMarius Apr 27 '22

Mr. Lincoln would not approve.

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u/RasberryJam0927 Apr 27 '22

Abraham Lincoln would like to have a word with you.

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u/Andreiyutzzzz Apr 27 '22

Republicans of Lincoln's time are the democrats of our time. If Lincoln was alive today he would definitely be a Democrat

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

If he were alive today, he'd be torn between his pretty overt racism and his labor leanings.

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u/Dark_Pandemonium23 Apr 27 '22

White hoods, brown shirts, or red hats, the conservatives have changed names, symbols & apparel, but little has changed with their words, views or actions.

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u/BuddhaFacepalmed Apr 27 '22

Abraham Lincoln codified slavery into the Constitution.

Read the 13th Amendment again. We just call slaves "prisoners" now.

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u/shermanthrugeorgia Apr 27 '22

The president has no part in amending the constitution. Being sentenced to hard labor was common at the time.

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u/sexy_silver_grandpa Apr 27 '22

Being sentenced to hard labor was common at the time.

Yes, common for black people in the South, for trumped up charges, as a means to do legal slavery.

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u/shermanthrugeorgia Apr 27 '22

No, that is what happened after the civil war.

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u/ChaosKeeshond Apr 27 '22

The 13th Amendment literally calls it slavery though.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States

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u/shermanthrugeorgia Apr 27 '22

Lincoln had no say in amending the constitution. What part of that don't you understand? It codifies involuntary servitude as punishment for committing crime. They aren't slaves.

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u/puke_of_edinbruh Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 27 '22

involuntary servitude

not slavery

your brain on neoliberalism

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u/shermanthrugeorgia Apr 27 '22

No, I can read for context which has nothing to do with neoliberalism. They aren't chattel slaves. They were sentenced to a specific time of forced labor. They couldn't be sold. Their children were not enslaved. Learn to read. You clearly have no idea what a neoliberal is. It's just a word you've seen on reddit and misused quite badly.

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u/ChaosKeeshond Apr 28 '22

They aren't chattel slaves.

Nobody here fucking said chattel slaves though did they? They were talking about slavery, and that is verbatim the word used and permitted within the scope of the constitutional amendment which was not only publicly endorsed by Lincoln having been drafted in the lower chamber, but formed the basis of his entire campaign and was subsequently pushed through under his presidency as a direct result.

You are way too rude and confident for someone struggling with common key terms and basic fucking colonial-era history. Unless English is your fifth language and you were educated at an East Siberian school, I can't explain the shit coming out of your mouth without concluding you're a dumbass.

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u/shermanthrugeorgia Apr 28 '22

What in the fuck are you on about? It's not fucking slavery. When I say forced labor was a common sentence at the time, I'm not just talking about the US. Other European countries were doing the same. That is why the second part of the thirteenth is there. It's not some evil conspiracy to keep slavery going. It's called unintended consequences. Pick up a history book. You're making a fool of yourself. As for my being rude, I returned in kind to that idiotic previous response. Neoliberalism and the thirteenth ammendment? What in the fuck was that and here you are saying I was rude. Jesus christ on crutches, son.

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u/RasberryJam0927 Apr 27 '22

Sure in the modern age I would call that condemnable, however you cannot use it to overshadow the good that he did overall. The difference between owning people because their skin color is different is a lot different than making convicted prisoners work for very low to no pay.

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u/BuddhaFacepalmed Apr 27 '22

however you cannot use it to overshadow the good that he did overall.

Yes I can. And while Lincoln did eventually abolish slavery in the Confederate South, his death meant that he couldn't follow up on the Reconstruction Era. And his successors fucked every thing up to the point that the US justice system, especially in the former Confederate States, are nothing more than neo-slavery, with the pogroms against black people disguised as the "War on Drugs".

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u/RasberryJam0927 Apr 27 '22

Yes I can. And while Lincoln did eventually abolish slavery in the Confederate South, his death meant that he couldn't follow up on the Reconstruction Era

Ah, so his death was his fault, got it. What kind of misconstrued thinking process is that? "He died therefore he couldn't stop other peoples shitty motives. Itso factso he is shitty.". Friend, I think you need to take a long hard look in the mirror then remove the dunce cap.

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u/BuddhaFacepalmed Apr 27 '22

Nah, that's your strawman.

Abraham Lincoln's fault was codifying slavery as a form of "punishment" into the US Constitution in the first place and gave racists and white supremacists a barn-sized loophole to continue slavery.

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u/RasberryJam0927 Apr 27 '22

How is that a strawman? I literally agreed with you that prison based slavery is condemnable. You still can't seem to understand that while both are bad, slavery due to skin color is objectively worse than criminals working for nothing. If you cannot differentiate between the two then don't even reply, because you are incapable of hearing the argument.

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u/ThatSquareChick Apr 27 '22

Laws against killing, stealing, lying, fighting, those are laws that deserve a punishment. All of them have exceptions to the rules as well. Every case must be judged on it own merit.

All other “crime” is just made up so that the poor and minorities can be used as free slaves and collect the fines and fees in replacement of taxes cut for the rich.

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u/RasberryJam0927 Apr 27 '22

I agree with you, but could you provide an example of a "crime" that is made up? I dont know what you are referring to there.

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u/BuddhaFacepalmed Apr 27 '22

slavery due to skin color is objectively worse than criminals working for nothing.

LMAO. Seriously, knowing the history of US policing, how did you "differentiate" between the two?

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u/RasberryJam0927 Apr 27 '22

I differentiate it by realizing that one reason someone would be enslaved is due to something unchangeable about them, ie. Skin color. The other is due to the actions of said person which would bring them into said slavery, which they have control over ie. Not breaking the law...

Quit your woke narrative, its incredibly flawed and won't get you anywhere.

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u/SycoJack Apr 27 '22

I agree with you. I also wanna point out that roughly 13% of the population was enslaved by the end of the civil war.

If 13% of the current population were imprisoned that would be 43,000,000 people.

Now I don't know how many people are imprisoned, but I reckon it's not nearly that many.

Allowing the enslavement of prisoners was fucking shitty. But anyone who thinks that overshadows freeing the slaves is either delusional or a dishonest racist fuck.

The current situation is light years better than slavery was.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

Wrong democrats liked slavery

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

Oh look, someone that doesn't get history

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u/dejvidBejlej Apr 27 '22

So do democrats, they just pretend they don't. Yet, even when they're in power, nothing changes ;)

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u/xWadi Apr 27 '22

*democrats

Fixed it for you

Kkk and Jim crow. Who started these?

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u/rietstengel Apr 27 '22

Which party do the current KKK members like? Where are you more likely to find a Confederate flag, at a gathering of Republicans or Democrats?

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 27 '22

*democrats

Fixed it for you

Kkk and Jim crow. Who started these?

Do you folks who parrot this shit not know about the Southern Strategy or is it just another part of history you like to pretend didn't happen?

https://www.history.com/news/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/07/republican-party-is-white-southern-how-did-that-happen/

tl;dr - the shittiest pro-racist democrats from that era became the modern day republicans, and along the way they pushed out a lot of black folks.

/u/yari_1

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u/anomolousartist Apr 27 '22

Can't be bothered to actually learn history, but if someone you have a parasocial relationship with tells you something you'll just believe it. The KKK helped democrats in 1910. The parties switched platforms in 1912 you dumb fuck. Think real hard if you can discover what that means, and who the KKK actually supported.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

“bUt MuH pARtY sWiTCh”

The classic "inb4 the thing that completely invalidates my argument."

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u/iFlyskyguy Apr 27 '22

It's almost like they're self-aware

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u/WhizBangPissPiece Apr 27 '22

I wrote a pretty lengthy paper in college regarding the switch in ideology between R and D. It's insane that now I'm seeing posts that say "Lincoln was a Republican!" as if to say that because of that, democrats are racist or something? It is beyond ridiculous, but apparently all democrats are KKK grand wizard level racists because of some good ol southern boys

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

I just ask them which party the Klan currently votes for, and which 2016 candidate the former Grand Wizard endorsed.

It won't change their opinion, and it isn't meant to, but that few seconds of mental gymnastics as they fumble for an answer is a spectacle worth the stupidity that follows.

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u/Skandranonsg Apr 27 '22

Just for shits and giggles, I threw together an excel spreadsheet and totaled the number of votes from former confederate vs union states for the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The results were as expected, but shocking at how dramatic the difference is. Results

12.6% of delegates from both parties in former Confederate states in the combined house and senate voted "yea" to the Civil Rights act compared to 89.2% of delegates from Union states. And that was after being as generous as possible, putting Arizona and New Mexico on the Union side, as well as the slave-owning union states.

If you want to see the original data and play with the numbers yourself, give it a go: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11Qj0IQWkDQcvc6-vlJkKl655MGapEZM6CDa1tzvMBN8/edit?usp=sharing

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u/suicidaleggroll Apr 27 '22

Which party goes around saying “the south will rise again”? Which party is obsessed with the confederate flag? Which party is continuously trying to remove/limit the voting rights of minorities?

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u/maskedferret_ Apr 27 '22

The “party of Lincoln”, of course … owait wut?

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u/Dark_Pandemonium23 Apr 27 '22

Not the "party" of Lincoln, the answer is the "Conservative party." White hoods, brown shirts, or red hats. they change their names, symbols & apparel, but their views, words & tactics have changed very little.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

The Republican Party doesn’t do any of those things though.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

The Republican Party CONSISTENTLY does all three, dude.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

Well that’s a lie because I don’t do either of those first two things. And the only reason you think that the Republican Party wants to “remove/limit the voting rights of minorities” is because you likely haven’t had any discourse outside of the radical left echo-chambers you frequent, such as Reddit.

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u/youstolemyname Apr 27 '22

Please take your head out of your ass and join us in the real world. There's still hope for you.

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u/GuevarasGynecologist Apr 27 '22

If you think Reddit is radically left you’re another clownish reason the Overton window is fucked 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

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u/TheLastBallad Apr 27 '22

And yet other people who vote Republican do. You're experience is indicative of only you're own experience, take a look at other people and you will find those who do exactly that.

And the only reason you think that the Republican Party wants to “remove/limit the voting rights of minorities” is because you likely haven’t had any discourse outside of the radical left echo-chambers you frequent, such as Reddit.

Paul Weyrich: “Now many of our Christians have what I call the goo-goo syndrome — good government. They want everybody to vote. I don’t want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.”

Of course no one is going to outright say that they want to prevent minorities from voting, but it's kinda telling when their suggestions and actions would result in that, while passing up far less controversial voter security options that wouldn't result in that.

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u/Dark_Pandemonium23 Apr 27 '22

BWAHAHaha... are you fucking kidding?¿? Has got to be fake, even the dumbest Q-cumber cultist isn't that blind & devoid of reality. Fact, reality & anyone who has ever left their basements has seen with their own eyes or experienced these things. Stop touching yourself to tucker "no reasonable person would believe" carlson & go out into the world sometimes kid.

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u/IowaContact Apr 27 '22

Thats literally all theyve been doing....

Along with all the other corruption and oppression.

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u/IowaContact Apr 27 '22

Guess I'll be getting another of those redditcares inboxes soon then eh?

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u/AcidRose27 Apr 27 '22

As a southerner living in the south, they absolutely do.

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u/Chefalo Apr 27 '22

I live in upstate New York and there are confederate flag obsessed morons here too

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u/AcidRose27 Apr 27 '22

My husband is Canadian. Fucking yokels have them there too.

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u/Sobuhutch Apr 27 '22

Sure, but I'm talking about today, not 150 years ago.

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u/EthnicTwinkie Apr 27 '22

Hey look, you brought something new to the conversation. Everyone now agrees that you're a twat.

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u/iFlyskyguy Apr 27 '22

I agree. They're a twat.

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u/Phihun500 Apr 27 '22

Can confirm. They are, in fact, a twat.

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u/iFlyskyguy Apr 27 '22

Twatness confirmed

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u/SouthernProblem84 Apr 27 '22

They're the twatiest of the McTwats

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u/1amlost Apr 27 '22

But who are the ones who are trying to make "Confederate Memorial Day" a thing?

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u/AhFFSImTooOldForThis Apr 27 '22

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u/seeker135 Apr 27 '22

That's what happens when you allow traitorous losers to masquerade as morally superior not-losers.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

”bUt MuH pARtY sWiTCh”

I mean yes..it’s an objective fact that typical republican/democrat stances have switched throughout the years. If you’re going to pretend you don’t understand that the political landscape and parties have drastically altered through a couple hundred years idk what to say other than username checks out.

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u/kbhinz Apr 27 '22

Was the south liberal or conservative?

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u/KiK0eru Apr 27 '22

I believe the correct answer is racist*

*Please reference the modern day Republican party of the USA for a recent example

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u/kbhinz Apr 27 '22

Oh I know. Just trying to make them admit it lol

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u/CTHeinz Apr 27 '22

Yea rather than party names, its more important and pertinent to look at the base ideological beliefs of those parties

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u/ViniVidiOkchi Apr 27 '22

So you are actually knowledgeable enough to know that the parties switched in the 1940s. But that doesn't matter because it doesn't fit your narrative? Sounds like something a republican would do.

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u/Tychus_Kayle Apr 27 '22

I'd argue the party switch didn't finalize until the 60s. The Southern Strategy swapped the Dixiecrats to Republicans.

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u/creuter Apr 27 '22

Yeah my grandfather was literally a republican state (not federal) senator in Florida in the 50s and ended up switching to democrat because as he put it: "the Republican party changed and he didn't"

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u/-MeatyPaws- Apr 27 '22

Id argue it started with William Jennings Bryan in the late 1800s early 1900s but didn't fully change until FDR

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u/TheKrakIan Apr 27 '22

That's a hobbled leg to stand on, while on a soap box my friend.

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u/iFlyskyguy Apr 27 '22

So I tried to optimally re-word this sentence (i guess the double "on" so close together bothered me) but still.. 🤌👌kudos.

I was surprised that I had to try it 2-3 different ways. And the best I found is:

That's a hobbled leg to stand on such a soap box my friend.

I don't know what I hope you'll do with that, but it seemed worth it.

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u/Additional-Expert-3 Apr 27 '22

Could there possibly be any similarity between the wealthy white southern men who had a soft spot in their heart for the Confederate flag in 1863 and the wealthy white southern men who have a soft spot in their heart for the Confederate flag in 2022? Democrats or Republicans, they’re still the wealthy southern white-men with that solemn, abiding love of “Dixie” and the never-forgotten Confederacy. Sure, call them dems if you want to, but do you really think they’d hang with the diverse and multi-cultured dems of today??

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u/GodOD400 Apr 27 '22

Crazy when Republicans today love flying the "Confederate flag" and repeating Daughters of the Confederacy propaganda like "The Civil War was about states rights not slavery" ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/12FAA51 Apr 27 '22

Why did Strom Thurmond switch parties?

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u/supernaut32 Apr 27 '22

You do realize that the Republicans were the northerners and democrats were the southerners back then right?

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u/3d_blunder Apr 27 '22

So what? Labels mean little, actions are important.

The SLAVERY movement still exists: they habitually wear red hats. Possibly symbolizing the blood they are eager to shed.

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u/supernaut32 Apr 27 '22

I don't think we're disagreeing with each other my man.

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u/iFlyskyguy Apr 27 '22

I reeeeeally don't think they think that much into it my dood. Trump=maga=red hat with maga. That's it

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u/myname_isnot_kyal Apr 27 '22

you're already being roasted for being an idiot, but jfc, are you an idiot? the party switch happened, that's not an opinion.

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u/NeverEarnest Apr 27 '22

It's hilarious that conservatives constantly need to reach back in time, exaggerate and lie about situations to defame democrats.

Did you know the KKK were democrats and BLM, who are also democrats, burned entire cities to ash!?

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u/ehhish Apr 27 '22

So, you countered your own point and you put it in quotes for us? Thanks.

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u/-MeatyPaws- Apr 27 '22

Yes the democratic party today is completely the same as the Dixiecrat party

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

Hey buddy, u just blow in from stupid town?

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u/greyjungle Apr 27 '22

When people say this dumb shit, I’m like “It’s the same racist assholes though” they can be called whatever you want, it’s the same people.

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u/WoollyBulette Apr 27 '22

Yikes, were you even born yet when stormfront first posted that gotcha on 4chan?

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u/mitchdtimp Apr 27 '22

Ah yes, 19th century Democrats. The party of state rights and voted in by the south but they share a name with a modern party so they're the same

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u/TrueMrSkeltal Apr 27 '22

Trolling should at least be funny

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u/GP0770 Apr 27 '22

Tell me you never finished college without telling me you never finished college

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u/Tychus_Kayle Apr 27 '22

You do know that the GOP apologized for the Southern Strategy, right?

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u/jolly-green-shauni Apr 27 '22

Yep, they were all conservatives back then. Now tepublicans are the conservative part complete with the support of the modern kkk.