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u/fckriot 1d ago
I feel such an evil sense of schadenfreude visiting this subreddit and watching these fuckers eat their own words. I'm a liberal Californian, and I voted for your rights, conservatives. I make six figures, work remotely in a professional occupation, and my lifestyle is guaranteed no matter what. Now poor people are fucked solely because other poor people, who are soulless and have zero shred of empathy, wanted to destroy other poors. Why..? Because fuck woke people making us use pronouns and fuck brown people.
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u/For_Aeons 1d ago
I've had a similar point of view and argument. Like you, I'm a solid six figure earner and climbing by leaps and bounds. Liberal from CA and comfortable living alone with my two dogs in a high CoL area.
I was voting to do the right thing FOR OTHERS. And they just couldn't be stopped from shooting themselves in the foot.
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u/TheKrakIan 1d ago
They didn't shoot themselves in the foot, they shot themselves in the face.
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u/DarthButtz 1d ago
Shot themselves in the face while desperately hoping the bullet entered another person's foot
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u/redditissoover 1d ago
Right? I tried to help them! Fine. I’ll just sit back and enjoy my tax cuts 🤷♂️
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u/SG_Capitan616 1d ago
I live in pretty conservative West Michigan and my wife son and I live pretty comfortably on 200k per year. I voted democrat across the board trying to better conservative lives as well as my own evn helping to keep Moms of Liberty out of our school boards. I wonder if they will learn once their lives hit bottom? Or will it still be someone elses fault?
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u/For_Aeons 1d ago
Democrats, "illegals," transpeople, gay people, brown people, immigrants, The Cabal (TM), etc.
Anyone but them.
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u/Afraid-Ad7379 1d ago
Same here. I make a lot of money, low 7 figures. I can retire today and live the same standard of life until I die. I would happily pay more taxes to help our country. I made the choice to NOT vote with my checkbook. Cause 15% corporate tax and potentially no IRS sounds awesome to my wallet. But I know it’s the poor and disenfranchised that will bear the brunt of it, and I was once in that position. If losing some of my potential net worth means that some poor kid can become a success in the future I will be ok. Alas, they chose the leopards and now I’m going to build generational wealth.
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u/Afwife1992 1d ago
I’m so with you. My hubby and I vote Dem. But we’re a cisgender, heterosexual, white, Christian married couple. We’re middle aged (mid 50s), own our home, have manageable debt, put our 3 kids through college so they have no debt and have retirement investments. Hubby is retired military (Lt Col) with significant retirement pay, tricare health insurance and a six figure current job. We’re going to be fine under Trump. May even do better financially, who knows? We can protect our kids.
But Trump a total POS and my hubby won’t even hang up his retirement certificate because Trump was his CIC and it has his signature. He represents everything we despise politically, morally and civilly. We’re both tired of caring more about the rights of those who either despise or criticize us. Or those who will be hurt by Trump and his cadre and decided to stay home or vote third party despite what was at stake. It’s been exhausting since he came down that escalator almost a DECADE ago. My hubby has practically turned nihilistic and doesn’t care what happens to maga voters at this point.
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u/Kapha_Dosha 1d ago edited 1d ago
Money alone can't protect you in a fascist world. If a hurricane or other natural disaster came along and swept your home away, you couldn't just rebuild it by yourselves with your three children. You would need materials, other people to help you. If angry, disenfranchised people started standing outside where you shop for food, shooting randomly at people going in, you couldn't protect yourself from that. If the rest of the world turns away from the US the way we have from Russia, you couldn't protect yourselves from that. You voted for your well-being AND the well-being of others. So your vote was never a waste.
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u/Afwife1992 1d ago
I don’t view it as a waste at all. I’ll do it again in 2026 and 2028. But it is exhausting.
And I wasn’t relying on money alone. I have privilege in my marital status, race, religion, gender, sexuality. Monetary stability is just one aspect. Obviously we’re not billionaire oligarchs but we’re in a “safer” position than many of those who voted for the policies which will hurt them. They’ll lose their homes, healthcare, jobs, etc before we will. We have lived overseas before, have friends and family, and could move if needed. There’s no fear of not living here.
We’re also in a blue state, one of the bluest really for all we’re a huge business state. That’s a layer of protection as opposed to living in Mississippi (did that, don’t recommend) or Texas. And Delaware is damp but there are virtually no hurricanes or tornadoes, no wildfires or floods. I rode out Katrina in Biloxi and will be happy to avoid hurricanes the rest of my life, god willing. And, we actually do have two guns but hopefully will need them for target shooting more than the collapse of society.
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u/PralineFresh9051 1d ago
There's a book in the UK called Chavs. It's about the demonisation of the working class and how they have been manipulated to fight amongst themselves.
Explains a lot about how the rich keep getting away with it. The timeline would have been so different with a Bernie presidency.
I'm similar to OP. I'm fine either way. Financially I'm 10x better off under Trump. I don't need to be 10x better off with others in society being 1.01x better off (or worse... Probably worse).
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u/_G_P_ 1d ago
She lost first and foremost because she's a woman.
Some of the rest factored in, but the US will not have a woman president, that's pretty clear. Which is why I surely hope they don't try with AOC, next time.
If there is a next time, that is.
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u/ImaginationThen1 1d ago
Maybe after getting beat to an absolute bloody pulp the next 4 years, Americans will be ready to let a woman take care of them.
Whether they are or not, the minute we allow conservatives to force us to artificially suppress talented female candidates for president is the minute we’ve started doing their work for them.
Women shouldn’t do X because men can’t handle it has been used as a blockade for far too long, and we shouldn’t enable it.
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u/Kapha_Dosha 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's amazing to watch, in contrast, how life is in countries currently led by women. They are in a whole other world. All of this stress and angst is miles away from what they are focused on day to day. Look up any news about Iceland.
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u/Gbird_22 1d ago
Exactly! I'm perfectly fine letting the beatings continue until they get over their isms. The same goes with electing someone from the coast, no the candidate doesn't have to be from a midwest state, there are plenty of real Americans from California.
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u/Merijeek2 21h ago
You know part of what makes a candidate "talented"? Winning the fucking election.
The moral victory types like you are why Democrats trip over the same fuckups over and over and never learn a lesson.
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u/ImaginationThen1 19h ago
Yeah, I don’t consider refusing to be complicit in misogyny a “fuck up”.
If half the population is defacto excluded from running for the highest office because of their gender, and progressives simply accept that as fact, then the actual victory is almost as hollow as the moral victory.
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u/Merijeek2 18h ago
You got it. Keep preaching from the minority in the certainty you're morally superior by demanding people vote for someone who can't win.
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u/ImaginationThen1 12h ago
I mean women aren’t a minority. We’re 50% of the population. It would seem this doesn’t personally affect you so it doesn’t seem like a big deal or something worth standing for, but since it directly enshrines and reinforces the second-class status of half of Americans, I have to disagree.
Not to mention, of course, that “can’t win” is a somewhat unjust generalisation when the first female candidate was a widely disliked career politician with decades of political dirt to dig through, and the second was crippled from the start by internal democrat politics. They were also facing a wave of reactionary far-right populism that any democrat would have struggled with.
Look at the year incumbent politicians had globally because of inflation. It was a bloodbath. So while I do agree there are misogynists out there who are simply never going to vote for a woman, the fact that two democrats struggled against a man who has captured the sick fantasies and darkest impulses of America in a way we’ve never seen can’t be laid squarely at the feet of their gender.
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u/shanatard 1d ago
No it's pretty clear she lost because she was wildly unpopular and only made it in by bypassing a primary.
America can have a woman president, but the lowest bar one needs to clear is winning in a proper primary. Voters need to choose one, not have one be forced upon them.
How embarassing is it that one had to rig a primary, and one didn't even run in one (and horrendously performed in the 2020). These are the best examples you can give before you write off an entire gender?
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u/Federal-Sky-1459 1d ago
I’m in the same position as you. My lifestyle may be different and a little more cramped than right now, but I voted to help others who haven’t been as lucky as me. I know I was born with the kind of advantages that “matter” to the ones who can’t bother to care about people who “don’t matter” and who are too stupid to see that in the MAGA/Trump eyes, THEY don’t “matter”. But unlike some of those who voted for Trump, I won’t risk food insecurity or losing my house. I just wish the only ones who feel the real pain of Trump’s reelection are those who voted for him.
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u/mewmeulin 1d ago
see, i'm kinda already in the position of "well my life can't get any worse, may as well watch people choose to torpedo their own lives" because i'm already homeless and disabled in a red state. but i'm also like a cockroach when it comes to living in poverty, i just keep surviving no matter what any government tries to do to snuff me out because survival is all i've ever really known. i've made it 27 years being poor and below the poverty line, i know how to keep myself and my family alive, i'll find a way to survive in this new uninhabitable environment. a lot of the MAGA crowd isnt as resilient and would probably fold or die long before they got to where i am now.
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u/Evening_Protection29 1d ago
All y'all can do is watch LMAO you have no other choice...well you did with Harris but this is what you voted for. You gave him all 3 branches of government with no guard rails so why the fuck would he care if he pisses anyone off? NO ONE is going to hold him accountable.
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u/LivingIndependence 1d ago
He's pretty much stated that he has no concrete plan of action on the campaign promises that he ran on. When asked, he said "bringing grocery prices down won't be easy", or some such shit. He said this because he's now back in the White House, and he either has no plans of ever leaving, or he knows that this will be his last term, so he doesn't give two shits about what he promised anyone. His mission is accomplished so he just gave all of his adoring Stans the middle finger.
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u/YourBonesHaveBroken 1d ago
Of course not.
If you consider that the whole thing was a huge con game, then everything that's happening makes perfect sense. The voters were the marks, and all that was said in the campaign was whatever they wanted to hear based on their fear and hatred. The nonsense simple solutions to complex problems.
As with all con games when the mark pays or votes, they are no longer needed. The whole point was to get in power and create a personally controlled oligarchy. Trump wants to run America like the Mafia state of Putins Russia, with him skimming off the top. It's not complicated.
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u/Wily_Wonky 9h ago
Trump is very much a "no forward planning, just do it for the cheers" kinda guy. It's still possible that he'll do the populist thing and fire Elon and Vivek so that people like him.
Either Trump follows his elitist interests in which case MAGA tears will be tasty and plentiful OR he follows his populist instincts in which case Musk and Vivek get punished. Either outcome is good.
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u/BellyDancerEm 1d ago
He’s just gonna go golfing for four years and just let Apartheid Elon do all the dirty work
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u/TheKrakIan 1d ago
Fortunately, musk has the attention span of a puppy. He'll get bored and move on to something else eventually. Not without destroying a lot of things beforehand.
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u/LivingIndependence 1d ago
It looks like he's already zeroing in on other country's political elections, and what he can do to "influence" those outcomes, so he may re-direct and move on.
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u/Be_quiet_Im_thinking 1d ago
Both Elon and Trump want to get the credit for accomplishments and none of the blame if something bad happens.
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u/Due_Panda5064 1d ago
Trump is also going to face off to Putin. If trump backs away from Ukraine, he looks weak. Does Donny have any balls?
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u/YourBonesHaveBroken 1d ago
He will lie about it and twist the truth like he always does regardless of what happens.
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u/Due_Panda5064 1d ago
That is true. But the fact remains, if trump properly supports Ukraine, Ukraine will cripple Putin & possibly collapse Russia. If trump backs off & possibly pulls out of NATO. That will make Trump look like a pussy.
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u/cturtl808 1d ago
Are we sure he’s on the spectrum?
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u/Acceptable_Loss23 1d ago
So what if he is? Leopold II of Belgium likely was and it didn't stop him from being a monstrously evil person.
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u/TiltedWorldView 1d ago
Agreed. Leave autism out of this. He's an asshole in spite of it, not because of it.
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u/cturtl808 1d ago
It doesn’t really matter but I agree with you. I asked only because I hadn’t ever seen anything concrete about him being on the spectrum.
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u/abritinthebay 1d ago
No, he self diagnosed & given it’s him it’s likely an excuse for his complete lack of empathy & social skills while trying to pretend his somehow more analytical or some shit
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u/LivingIndependence 1d ago
He's a nasty sociopath is what he is, however most sociopaths have very good social skills and can be quite personable.
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u/abritinthebay 1d ago
I believe you might be thinking of psychopaths. They’re usually extremely good at socializing (and manipulating emotions in that setting).
Sociopaths like Elon tend to be toxic assholes. They can sometimes hide it and just come across as a bit of a weird dick, but their condition means they don’t care if they do, so don’t try to charm usually.
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Yes, commentor voted for Trump because he sold them the dream of making America great again. One of the ways he promised to do that was to take oppressive action towards immigrants so that jobs can be given to back to Americans.
Yes, commentor is now realizing that supporting oppressive actions towards immigrants applied to them. The argument made by Vivek and Elon is that there are not enough skilled Americans to fill the spots needed. Trump's billionaire cabinet members actually plan to bring in immigrant workers to fill tech jobs instead. They are starting to question if Trump is actually in charge or not.
Now their face is missing 🐆
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u/Sanpaku 1d ago
I knew Trump was inept and probably a malignant narcissist in the early 2000s. 2015 added willfully ignorant, racist, and sexual predator to the known attributes. We all learned his administration was chaotic and generally unguided in 2017. And if I recall correctly, only 4 of the 44 cabinet level appointees from the 1st administration endorsed his 2024 campaign.
It's going to be a shit show. Any literate person who didn't ensconce themselves in a right-wing media silo knows this.
I voted for someone who I regard as no more charismatic than toast to avoid this. Now, I'm just looking for ways to preserve my family's savings through the forthcoming chaos. 40% in short term T-bill ETFs, etc. But I'll watch closely for how Musk navigates offending the MAGAs tomorrow and over the weekend. I've an itchy trigger finger to short TSLA.
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u/thismyotheraccount2 1d ago
This is hilarious because they still don’t get it and refuse to. Trump ran to stay out of jail and get rich. He got elected so he’s not going to jail and is doing stuff to help himself and other rich guys get rich.
These maga lunatics are like my fucking kids, if they never stopped being fucking toddlers… Just replace whatever they’re complaining about with “hey buddy you need to eat your veggies” or “the baby sitter is coming so you need to listen and be kind”
“We are all watching. I really hope my trust was misplaced”
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u/YourBonesHaveBroken 1d ago
Trusting a narcissistic sociopath and pathological liar.. LOL. Ya that will surely work out well
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u/werther595 1d ago
"Assistant TO the Regional Manager"
Elon is wearing Trump's ball like a necklace at this point. Little Donnie just gets sent out to yell every week or two.
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u/rohrschleuder 1d ago
I mean if Trump or his team were smart, they would use this “out” given to them by Musk &Vivek to solidify his base by kicking them out.
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u/W0666007 1d ago
If it was misplaced, I'll punish the Republican party by continuing to vote for whoever they tell me to.
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u/RainbowandHoneybee 1d ago
Only thing he was interested was to stay out of prison, I don't think he really cares, tbh.
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u/uberares 1d ago
lmfao. imagine thinking "I really hope my trust was not misplaced" after the first term. How in the fuck would you have a modicum of trust?
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u/FavorableTrashpanda 1d ago
These people never learn lessons. And if they ever do learn a lesson they forget it the next day.
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u/Gunderstank_House 1d ago
Trump won't. If Trump steps out of line Elon will spill the beans about how he "won" the election.
Watch.
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u/XeneiFana 1d ago
TBF, I don't think Ramaswampy has any real function other than taking care of Elmo's laundry.
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u/flying_fox86 1d ago
So in order to show that Elon and Vivek are not in charge Trump should fire Vivek? Why not also fire Elon? Is there some particular difference between the two?
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u/Merijeek2 21h ago
Just Vivek? Is it because everyone knows that Trump is Elmo's bitch? Or is Elmo pale enough?
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u/qualityvote2 1d ago edited 21h ago
u/throwawaymind2024, there weren't enough votes to determine the quality of your post...