r/LeopardsAteMyFace • u/SkytrackerU • 1d ago
Musk & Vivek Add Insult to Injury for Proud Conservative
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u/gellybelli 1d ago
Anti immigration immigrants are still the wildest thing in this new conservative world for me
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u/gellybelli 1d ago
The caste system is definitely still alive and well.
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u/MoistObligation8003 1d ago
I’ve read a bunch of articles on r/bayarea about this. Even outside India, in companies here in the States the Bhramans still want to make sure they don’t lose the position.
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u/Ecthelion510 1d ago
Yes, I've heard that there is an incredible amount of psychological bullying that goes on in Bay tech firms because the Brahmins don't want to work with people who they consider low caste. American classism and racism are bad enough; we don't need to import yet more bad ideas about status.
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u/Proper_Look_7507 1d ago
We don’t, it had a significant Indian population in my MBA program and they all immediately self segregated by caste and they can tell thr caste by the last name usually. It’s wild that they want to perpetuate that system in a place where everyone is trying to improve and breakout of supposed limitations based solely on their birth.
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u/emptygroove 1d ago
I dunno, we've got plenty of caste style systems in the states. Usually it's by social status relating to where you live or how much money you make. I went to a college that had 5k kids into he freshman class and they quickly self sorted on these items.
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u/coweatyou 1d ago
We definitely had someone on our team who thought they didn't have to work because there was an Indian from a lower caste than him who he tried to put all his work on to. One of them got fired for not doing any work and the other got promoted for doing the work of two people. Welcome to the meritocracy.
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u/Bloated_Plaid 1d ago
American racism has nothing on the caste system bro. That shit is wild. Honestly white supremacists would be shocked at things people get away with in India, including public executions and lynchings(limited to rural areas but still).
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u/ForestDweller0817 1d ago
The cognitive dissonance is infuriating. I shit you not my immigrant FIL will sit there watching Fox News chanting “build the wall!” and then tell the story of how his brother illegally crossed the Mexican border and make zero connection between those two things.
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u/MoneyManx10 1d ago
It seems to be instilled by the parents. I know a few 2nd gen immigrants who feel this way because of their family.
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u/ClaudetteLeon23 1d ago
They have this “all for one and none for all” type of attitude. It’s really disgusting.
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u/steve-eldridge 1d ago
They've left their broken countries and don't want to bring along the dregs they left behind. It's not surprising, considering how the tech bros gamed the system to their advantage and how dumb the MAGA fools were electing them to do exactly what they promised they would do.
If you are an overweight 40-something with a high school degree, a big truck festooned with Trump gear, and a raging conservative media addition, good times are never coming for you.
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u/BellyDancerEm 1d ago
They keep voting to gut education and wonder why they don’t have talent
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u/physical_sci_teacher 1d ago
And I am betting many of these "elite individuals" that Musk and Vivek want visas for come from countries with free or very affordable college tuition.
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u/Suspicious-Echo2964 1d ago
It's less education-based and more primal fear-based. You don't need that many genius algorithm designers. You do need a lot of above-average coders to implement that wizardry without fucking it up. They need more above-average coders who are willing to shut up and do what they are told out of risk of losing their jobs.
They aren't asking for AI wizards - they need data monkeys to act as data janitors for the LLMs and AI.
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u/CrayZ_Squirrel 1d ago
And those coders need to log 80 hours a week and work for 30% under market rate so that they don't need to hire as many of them or spend as much on them.
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u/AbueloOdin 1d ago
They have to pay "market rate", but when your job is tied to whether you are allowed to stay in the country... Well... That's how you pressure someone.
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u/Suspicious-Echo2964 1d ago
It's not a secret, but the real trick lies in the RSU and bonus structure. H1B requires a prevailing wage, which is a base salary. It does not account for incentives. Your base salary peaks reasonably quickly in the tech sector, and the differentiation of compensation is in bonus and RSU refresh rate as well as the amount. You are "making it" in tech once your yearly RSU payout eclipses your base salary.
They do ultimately save money and get even more skilled employees. It's a rather predatory situation that almost all private equity-based portfolios leverage to increase their margin.
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u/NefariousnessKey2774 1d ago
The USA with all those innovations wasn’t actively trying to defund education because they saw brainpower as economic might. The USA we have now is actively investing in stupid because stupid will give up all its rights to feel like it’s winning.
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u/ikonoclasm 1d ago
The top educated don't want to work for capricious man-children. They know their worth, which is exactly what Elmo doesn't want. He can't take advantage of educated Americans.
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u/killerkadugen 1d ago
They just need a fair opportunity & a chance to compete...
Sorry Mr. Conservative, sounds a bit much like DEI. Can't abide that.
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u/GiovanniElliston 1d ago
there are literally 50M+ American Citizens who you have no idea if they are motivated or talented. They don't have internet, they live in rural America & are able to make a living off $15/hr for 20+ years while rasing 3-5 kids. These people don't take government benefits.
Two things:
1 - These people absolutely, 1 billion percent take government handouts in record numbers. They may not all get a monthly check, but they all take advantage of programs designed to keep people exactly like them afloat. All of them. Every last god-damned one.
2 - We're literally 10+ years removed from when a Presidential candidate had already done exactly what this guy is suggesting. They invested in programs that taught coding skills to poor people in rural Appalachia with the goal being to catch them up with emerging industries so that "American Workers" could compete with international candidates. It was called "Learn to Code".
The right-wing hate sphere said Hillary Clinton was mocking coal miners by trying to teach them to code. They said she was ruining their history/traditions and emasculating them as men.
So you can just fuck aaalllllllllllllll the way off with suddenly acting like it's a brand new idea to train backwood hillbilies in tech skills. It was too "liberal" for them 10 years ago so don't you dare act like they can do it now.
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u/dd97483 1d ago
To add to your perfect comment, Vivek and Elmo want slaves they can control, not well paid engineers from American schools who will demand top wages and benefits.
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u/FanDry5374 1d ago
Yup, that's the "cultural" difference he's talking about, wanting to be properly paid for your labor-the audacity!
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u/KapitanFalke 1d ago
Yeah what they’re saying is they want foreign workers they can exploit under the threat of getting deported.
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u/odin_the_wiggler 1d ago
Elmo, cannot wait for AI to replace every possible job it can.
It's all about money and power and that guy couldn't give a single fuck about another human besides himself.
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u/Corfiz74 1d ago
While most of his businesses are receiving huge government handouts, I might add...
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u/Expensive_Culture_46 1d ago
The only moral hand out is my handout.
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u/Corfiz74 1d ago
I loved how when all the Republican senators and congress people protested the student loan forgiveness, the White House tweeted out how much each of them received in forgiven loans during Covid - that was really embarrassing for them. If they could still feel embarrassment.
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u/Murrabbit 1d ago
Electric car subsidies are what have made Tesla the company it is today (subsidies he now opposes because other car companies are likely to benefit from them more than Tesla and give him more competition), and all of Space X's business is in government contracts anyway, so. . . yes.
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u/Corfiz74 1d ago
I love that Gavin Newsome said that if the government cuts the subsidies on electric cars, the State of California will grant them for Californians instead - for all electric cars except Tesla! 😂
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u/TheFinnesseEagle 1d ago
Which is funny, if no one has jobs whose buying their over priced shit. There is only much rich people in the world.
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u/Sir_Pumpernickle 1d ago edited 18h ago
I mean the guy believes only the super wealthy like him (of which being the richest man in the world means only him) should breed, and that the only way to save "the human race" is to go to Mars. But the right only consume BIASED* media, so they never see this.
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u/Murrabbit 1d ago
But the right only consume bias media. . .
Unrelated to the content of your comment but "bias" is the noun form of the word, you were looking for the adjective form, "biased."
Oddly enough I see this mistake made super often, and it's odd as saying it out loud immediately grates as an awkward word choice to me, but lots of people seem to slip up on it.
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u/Sir_Pumpernickle 18h ago
Well to be honest, Reddit is the only place I get comments like this. Most other social media sites, even the most notorious that are only frequented by internet geriatrics, understand people are typing comments on phones, or not paying full attention, or are not checking spelling or grammar. As I always say, there's a reason writers have editors.
No, Reddit seems to be the only social media site left that has users that don't understand that a mild grammatical error being the focus of an entire comment is cringe. I changed the word's spelling for you, can I get a gold star now? /s
I hope social media dies.
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u/coweatyou 1d ago
The best thing about H-1Bs for vivek and Elon is they don't demand equity, which means the capital get to keep all the gains for themselves.
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u/Murrabbit 1d ago
Yup, having more leverage over an employee because they rely on you to allow them to stay in the country is also just a nice power trip for CEOs who are still salty that they can't outright own people.
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u/brothersand 1d ago
Came here for this. It's not about availability it's about exploitability. It's much harder to exploit American citizens who don't get deported when they refuse to work 80 hour weeks with no overtime pay.
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u/VisualKeiKei 1d ago
H-1B workers were essentially the remaining workforce at Twitter after he chased off everyone else during his takeover.
You can already see what his ideal vision of tech companies will be like when 2025 rolls around...an enslaved workforce with no viable options or powers as employees but to nod quietly and accept being underpaid...or to pack their bags and leave the country.
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u/_cacho6L 1d ago
OMG THANK YOU!!!! This entire "debate" on their side shows that they clearly weren't paying attention at all!
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u/Former-Drama-3685 1d ago
I award you the championship belt!
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u/_ArsenioBillingham_ 1d ago
I was going to say the same thing as that post did, but nowhere near as well-written
“… allllllllllllllll…” chef’s kiss
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u/learningto___ 1d ago
Exactly. She was going to put $30billion into “coal country” by shoring up their pensions, training out of work miners in other industries, and developing cleaner technology than coal.
They scoffed at her.
Or when people scoffed at the money Biden spent on the infrastructure bill that allowed many of these extremely rural people to get internet access. He spent billions of dollars in grants/loans that allowed the most cost prohibitive internet jobs to be completed. These are people/businesses/farms that would have never gotten their cable companies to give them internet normally.
So, which is it? Do they want these people to have modern amenities, jobs, etc? Or don’t they? They seem to always want these items, but vote for the people who don’t give them these thugs, while scoffing at the people who try to give them these things.
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u/rockne 1d ago
The UP would almost be livable if they had decent internet…
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u/tracklessCenobite 1d ago
UP?
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u/Murrabbit 1d ago
Dude wants the Rural Electrification Act for internet, but also probably thinks FDR was a communist bastard or something.
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u/Trix_Are_4_90Kids 1d ago
Yep. when automation and overseas destroyed the factories BIPOC went to school and majored in those areas. WWC CHOSE to sit complain whine and blame minorities. This is why I fight against the stupid argument that political messaging, or a Party left these people behind, I live in the middle of the country I saw it firsthand growing up. There's no magical message you can give to change the minds of a group of people when they were raised to believe generation after generation that "those people" are the cause of all of their issues.
"The right-wing hate sphere said Hillary Clinton was mocking coal miners by trying to teach them to code. They said she was ruining their history/traditions and emasculating them as men."
oooh I remember this! They excoriated her! She did more to try and help them than their own Reps and they shat on it. When you have privilege changing to fit a reality sounds like people are talking down to you, that's what I found out. The reality that rural people want doesn't exist anymore and telling them to change is an affront. No, it's the world that should bend to them, because that is what privilege is.
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u/rockne 1d ago
These people are sooooooo fucking dumb. Every. Single. Rural. Hospital. Would. Close. Without Medicare/Medicaid dollars, and it certainly isn’t because “these people don’t take any benefits.” It’s because they all have Medicare or Medicaid and someone else is paying the bill. 💸 (see Blue states)
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u/Uranus_Hz 1d ago
Also, maybe going to college and getting an education would go a long ways towards being competitive with H1b candidates (who ALL went to college).
Perhaps claiming US universities are “woke” and “indoctrinating” people is an idiotic thing to do.
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u/Saudade_M 1d ago
Perfection! If you are on Twitter please post it or please let someone else who is post it on there. I want to see the cognitive dissonance go through the roof.
Same thing with Michelle Obama wanting kids to eat healthy and the right going nuts cause how dare she tell them what to do. And now they are all suddenly acting like they have been wanting healthier food all along.
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u/SkytrackerU 1d ago
I'll just share another link to these Xitter threads. The thing is... I liked this Tweep back in the day. He grew up in real rural poverty, he pays attention to tech & industry. But he's quick to believe insulting things about Libs.... So now he's insulted.
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u/Saudade_M 1d ago
So he is one of those that gets there is a problem but supports the people that are absolutely not interested in helping. Gotcha.
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u/Expensive_Culture_46 1d ago
I’ll say I disagree with your first point. there are people in rural areas who refuse government assistance on “moral grounds”. My parents for one. I went to bed hungry and ate from trash cans. They were idiots. But they do exist.
But I think it misses the point. Statistically, there are likely highly talented people in those rural, low income areas who just don’t have access to money, time, and resources to get the skills, education, or connections. That’s just what happens when you get 1000 people through the door versus 100.
I have problems with HB1 visas as they are often used to ensure “slave labor” by hiring people who can’t afford to switch jobs or risk deportation or take lower salaries due to coercion.
Notice that none of these talking heads are interested in protecting existing HB1 visas holders. One wants slaves and the other wants them to not exist.
The only thing I can get behind is expanding access to skills training and education for rural America. But I imagine the right will also freak about “woke indoctrination “
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u/VisualKeiKei 1d ago
Yeah, they're suddenly concerned about tech jobs, like those opportunities were pulled out from under them when they've been waggling their fingers at college educated white collar workers for decades.
Remember all the college loan and debt debates, and how the right said all these liberal ivory tower kids are morons and if you want a degree and no debt, just join the military and pay for it with the GI Bill?
Well there go you. If the right wants programming degrees they suddenly cherish because H1B is a perceived threat, they can take their own advice and join the meat grinder and use the taxpayer-provided GI bill program to test their educational chops and earn their way to tech.
Military-related programs seem to be the one place where the socialism and subsidies bankrolled by taxpayers aren't seen as commie plots so they should be fine with enlisting and unlocking those benefits.
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u/ohhellperhaps 1d ago
Yeah, #1 was my immediate reaction in reading that as well. Of course, it’s not handouts when they do it…
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u/Commercial_Table895 1d ago
What the heck is the “woke right?” My head hurts.
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u/MmeQcat 1d ago
MAGA slowly waking up to tbe fact tbat simply being a white Christian male doesn't actually mean you're part of Daddy Elon's Alpha Club is some high octane premium schadenfreude fuel. Inject it directly into my veins please.
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u/Opposite_of_a_Cynic 1d ago
I have to say watching the owning class try to figure out how to maintain an exploitable but competent working class in the face of a culture they cultivated that believes competence is a virtue of skin color is quite amusing.
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u/GhostLadyShadow 1d ago
Elon and Vivek though are playing with fire here with these types. Remember many of them are in fact ex-military. Many are in fact avid gun nuts. This internal war is not good for the Oligarchs to be honest. Even Republicans ultimately fear their base for a reason. He is hitting a very large hornets nest here on a very sensitive topic. There is a reason why this is not spoken about openly or broadcast. The entire thing is kind of intentionally obscured to business and professional realm. Elon and Vivek just made it top of mind for the Xenophobes and Nationalists. This is not good for them. Neo-Nazis and white nationalists are not exactly known to be non-violent.
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u/MmeQcat 1d ago edited 1d ago
I absolutely agree and that's what leads me to believe that they will enact martial law and/or confiscate civilians' guns once the tariffs, mass deportations, and social program cuts are put into place. Four hundred million guns in the hands of ordinary citizens who are starving and can't have their basic needs met is a recipe for disaster for the ruling class. I doubt they are willing to risk that. The question is how many members of our military (a significant portion of whom is pro-MAGA) will be willing to carry out violence against their fellow citizens who won't comply.
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u/GhostLadyShadow 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is the thing. Those in the military are mostly not on the side of Elon and Vivek here. Again, I don't think they are going to last much longer. Stephen Miller, who is very very anti-H1B and in charge of policy, is a far more silent implementer. The anti-immigration part of Trump world is far more imbedded with Trump. Vivek and Musk are new here. Musk and Vivek are not just playing with fire with Trump's base, but also Trumps most loyal officials. This is why both are likely going to get burned. They are likely overreaching here. The people in the Trump admin are very anti-immigrant, and it was Miller who significantly reduced H1B during the last time Trump was in power. He has extensively spoken out against the program. If you understand the dynamics of who is in Trump's inner circle, you know Stephen Miller comes up a great deal, and he is Trump's Deputy chief of staff on Policy. Musk and Vivek were intentionally put outside the actual inner circle. Again the anti-Immigrant portion of Trump world is more likely to succeed here as it is the animating force for Trump. Not what Musk and Vivek are proposing to do.
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u/MmeQcat 1d ago
These are all very valid points that give me a modicum of hope. I just wonder if Putin will permit Trump to jettison Musk. After all, Trump seemed to want to get rid of Vance but found he couldn't.
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u/GhostLadyShadow 1d ago edited 1d ago
Vance was nominated as Vice President. He had an official position as a result and was on the ticket. It is far harder to get rid of him post convention. Musk and Vivek on the other hand are far easier to drop for Trump. They are outside advisers at best. He is not even going to be in an official government agency. Once Trumps in the actual White House, it will in fact be far easier for this actual inner circle of actual government officials like Miller to screen him out completely. Again Stephen Miller is in the position to set actual immigration policy. Musk and Vivek are just making suggestions. Stephen Miller is the one with actual power here, which is why he is so scary because of his mass deportation policies and removing naturalization, etc. I think to many people here think Musk has actual power beyond his very large megaphone and money. Nah. The actual power is with those who will be actual officials within Trump's inner orbit and can actually set and enact official policy.
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u/AntiBurgher 1d ago
"The woke right". I seriously don't know if this is sarcasm or not anymore.
Maybe they'll figure out it isn't woke anything. It's the poors and the ultra rich. Nothing else.
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u/Next_Response_3898 1d ago
"The woke right seems to be just as fragile as the woke left"
Looks like woke now means anyone who wants a fair shot at making a living. Everyone is woke if you're not an incel clown, I guess.
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u/Open_Perception_3212 1d ago
I knew this was going to happen. I just didn't think the honeymoon would be so quick 😆
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u/coweatyou 1d ago
Elon won't make it past the 6 month point of this admin. These are the same people who invented the scaramouche as a unit of time.
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u/DraganTaveley 1d ago
C-word = Culture - yeah, the "culture" of 20 bachelors sharing a one bedroom apartment & taking showers at work because the wages are so low. SMDH
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u/d_o_mino 1d ago
So ironic that 'investing in rural America' is what liberals have been trying to do for decades now, and conservatives have hamstrung them every time.
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u/Limitedm 1d ago
They said Hillary was insulting them when she talked about investing in tech courses for rural areas instead of coal mining.
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u/CountryFriedSteak78 1d ago
It should be noted that rural America would have had to invest in themselves too. Adapt to the changing world, but they didn’t want to do that.
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u/ethertrace 1d ago
Literally comes down to who is doing it. If they see those programs coming from "outsiders," it's a disrespectful pity-party handout and they want no part of it. If it's being offered by someone on their "team," then it's the legitimate help that hardworking Americans have been waiting to receive for years from those coastal elite outsiders who have done nothing but ignore and look down on them.
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u/Jensen0451 1d ago
Looks like it's time for someone to stop relying on the government to help, pull themselves up by their bootstraps, put in the 100 hour work week, and start their own tech company that invests in these ultra brilliant rural Americans in order to compete with the likes of Musk.
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u/the_dank_aroma 1d ago
LOL, the foaming at the mouth racism of thinking all the technological marvels coming from American companies were all achieved by (obviously white) American citizens and no foreigners contributed.
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u/wingcutterprime 1d ago
also conveniently forgot about the nazis who contributed towards much of that scientific knowledge in exchange for their war crimes being forgotten about
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u/the_dank_aroma 1d ago
I begrudgingly admit that that trade-off might have been worth it. I prefer to believe that those "Nazi" contributors were not hardliners cheering for the holocaust, but instead were men of science trying not to end up in the work camps themselves. Nonetheless, they were German immigrants, not venerated American citizens.
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u/Foreign-Repeat9813 1d ago edited 1d ago
Tech oligarchs Ramaswamy and Musk want cheap labor they can exploit.
The H1B visa gives an employer complete control over the employee. If the employee loses the job, they lose their visa and are sent back to their home country. This is why the oligarchs want the H1B visas. In the program employees can be coerced into working 100-hour weeks for below average pay.
Further, Elon Musk runs Tesla as a nonunion shop in the United States. Musk also has ongoing well-publicized disputes with the unions in Germany and Sweden. Musk's just a less interesting and less talented version of the 19th century robber barons who hired Pinkertons to fire upon the rank-and-file.
Remember the Homestead Massacre. Homestead Massacre - Wikipedia
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u/tayawayinklets 1d ago
The class struggle is continuous and requires active citizens from every generation.
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u/SylVegas 1d ago
We wanted everyone to get free college, but it's more important to give tax breaks to people who benefit from Americans not getting free college.
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u/BestBananaForever 1d ago
They fought so hard against free college... only for their overlords to bring immigrants from countries with free college to take their place lol
Do they really think all immigrants entering the country are on the same level of no internet hillbillies who can't score more than a minimum wage job living in rural America?
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u/not_vichyssoise 1d ago
Among all the other stuff, part of his argument that rural America has untapped science and tech talent is Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Joe Montana? Okaaay…
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u/martapap 1d ago
3 white guys in the NFL that I guess are the most talented lol. That wasn't lost on me.
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u/EJNelly 1d ago
There is likely untapped talent in rural America. But we’ll never know as long as they lack the educational opportunities.
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u/martapap 1d ago
well rural america overwhelming votes for a party who seeks to gut education. It is their fault for their state.
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u/Dcipher01 1d ago
Sounds to me like he’s asking for some kind of “affirmative action” for rural people. Hmmm…
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u/a_minty_fart 1d ago
You know who believed in Americans?
Hillary Clinton.
She had a plan to spend 30 billion dollars to prepare Americans and how did these fucks take that?
They saw it as some kind of attack on their heritage.
Fuck em, get conquered by Indians you fucking losers.
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u/InsideInsidious 1d ago
This fucking moron really thinks Americans invented everything.
Never mind the fact that the majority of American inventors were naturalized after immigrating here
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u/Belephron 1d ago
There’s a lot going on here but to make one minor point, ah, who exactly invented the Saturn Rocket? Wouldn’t happen to have been, say, a bunch of people the US government brought from a different country?
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u/Limitedm 1d ago edited 1d ago
Just a bunch of pre-Americans with an armband and Hugo boss uniform fetish. Nothing to see here.
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u/ClumsyZebra80 1d ago
When the fuck did Elon ever say he was interested in helping any Americans, never mind uneducated rural ones? Is this person living in an alternate reality? What the fuck is he even talking about??????
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u/guttanzer 1d ago
This cuts both ways. Diplomats and sociologists talk about "high context" and "low context cultures."
Northern Europe and the USA (settled mostly by Northern Europeans) are low context, meaning that who you are means very little. CEO or night janitor, if you're 20 minutes late you are late. In Germany it's 10 minutes. Agreements are done via signed contracts, and both parties are bound by the contract.
In high context cultures - basically the rest of the world - who you are is everything. If the tribal chief hasn't arrived within a few hours of the meeting start everyone stays in case he shows. If an ordinary tribe member is not there 10 minutes before the meeting they are late. Contracts don't matter much; generally whatever the top dog wants is the understood agreement. If the top dog changes his mind it's on everyone else to figure out the new agreement.
Technology produced by high context cultures tends to be very derivative. If the top dog says, "I want a jet to match the American's F-35" the staff faithfully replicate the F-35. They don't know why it is special, and they don't care. What they understand is that the boss will be happy.
In low context cultures, there are always people that question things. "Why are we doing this?" is a very powerful mindset that a person with high-context roots like Ramaswamy see as "lazy." Nothing could be further from the truth. These are the people who change things for the better. America is rich with these kinds of workers, which is why so many high-initiative industries (aerospace, software, entertainment, medicine, ...) are so strong here.
For megalomaniacs like Trump and Musk, these low-context malcontents are thorns that irritate. They want to impose authoritarianism because it makes THEM feel good. Their insecurity is worse than Ramaswamy's contempt, but they are all aligned on what they want - to lord over obedient serfs - so they are all just fine with importing them from the rest of the world.
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u/sharpcarnival 1d ago
Too bad there have never been candidates who wanted to do things to invest in Americans to ensure things like access to education…
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u/DIDDLEthatSQUIDDLE 1d ago
Oh no the capitalists favoring cheap foreign labor who could ever have warned them about this!?
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u/DarthSnarker 1d ago
Hmmmm....funny that Musk requires a college degree to work at his companies, while claiming college is overrated and a waste of time or for fun and not learning!
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u/No-Cable9274 1d ago
Umm the “Germans” have built a f-16?? As far as I know the French and the Swedes are the 2 European nations who have built advanced fighter planes. I feel like he is a secret neo nazi.
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u/PatriotNews_dot_com 1d ago
It will be the most anti-American administration in US history, and ironically they won by convincing people they’ll be the most pro-American
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u/bluemurmur 1d ago
He never explains what he means by “invest in rural America”….. does he want more schools? Free college? Emphasis on STEM education?
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u/SkytrackerU 1d ago
What is even more mind-blowing is that this conservative appeals to Biden/Harris to prove that the "Digital Divide" is real, and rural America really does lack internet infrastructure. He knew the Democrats were helping bring ladders to rural America, yet voted against them anyway. But I think that he was mostly against increasing HB1 visas w/o doing more to set up tech centers in Louisiana.
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u/ptau217 1d ago edited 1d ago
Dude is right. Vivek never did anything significant for America. He ripped off a bunch of investors hoping a failed AD drug would succeed. It didn’t, but he got rich anyway. Literally failing upwards more than anyone I know other than Elizabeth Holmes.
Edit: never mind. He then talks about how USA has people like Tom Brady, mistaking that cheater for tech expertise.
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u/thethirdbestmike 1d ago
I still can’t get myself to care about these dick heads. They voted for this mess now figure it out you hicks.
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u/Daaaaaaaannnnn 1d ago
Lmaoooooooooooooo
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u/Open_Perception_3212 1d ago
I would really like to see how the conservative sub is handling this shit 😆😆
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u/mindless-prostate 1d ago
Oh don't worry soon they'll be using this as the classic "They took our jobs" angle in upcoming elections and their dumbass voters will fall for it. I've not got any sympathy for a country that is terminally brain dead.
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u/duckit2907 1d ago
So…. They want to get rid of all the low-skilled labor undocumented workers that happen to be a major reason our eggs, meat, and produce stays as cheap as possible…. And they want to bring in highly skilled immigrants to take tech jobs away from Americans…
I really don’t know what is going on anymore…
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u/SteelyEyedHistory 1d ago
“No other country besides Germany…” proceeds to list a bunch of things Germany never made
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u/XeneiFana 1d ago
If we're going to have tech jobs paying $15 an hour... LOL.
As for Ramaswampy, yeah, a "cultural" problem. Like, "culturally" H1B holders let themselves be exploited for the promise that it will get better.
I have worked with people from different countries, including India. Everybody wants a good life. Period.
Both Ramaswampy and evtraper (purposefully misspelled) are full of shit.
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u/Simple-Walk2776 1d ago
His example of a homegrown American success story that didn't need immigrant help is the "space program". Oh my sweet summer child...
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u/Soggy-Beach1403 1d ago
Musk and Vivek became GOPers because the premise of the entire party is that Americans are stupid and gullible.
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u/Sad_Football7665 1d ago
Funny that Musk is spreading all this anti-education rhetoric to Americans but refuses to hire people without a college degree. Could it be that he wants people who are educated but happy to work for less because theyre just happy to be in the US. I’m in tech so this conversation is very relevant to me.
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u/alienbringer 1d ago
Dude complaining that a job in engineering has degree requirements. Hey, rural America. Maybe, just maybe, go to fucking college?
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u/joystickd 1d ago
"& don't just use it as a cash cow"
These people really have no idea who they voted for.
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u/HellaTroi 1d ago
Who's "culture" are you referencing, Vivek?
Sounds like a ding on American culture to me.
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u/Kevin_Jim 1d ago
“We made the internet”. The protocol, sure. TCP/IP was invented by an American, but the World Wide Web was invented by Sir Tim Berners-Lee, at CERN.
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u/Rombledore 1d ago
oh delectable. "right woke" is a thing now? lovely! also- "give us rural folks a chance". you fucking rubes- Biden was planning on giving broad band access and updating infrastructure in rural areas that still dont have it. exactly what you want. but you go to these fascist clowns who tell you they wont do shit and somehow expect them to help the people that need help?
the absolute dumbest timeline.
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u/deetsuper 1d ago
Gee, all of that greatness came when we taxed the shit out of the very wealthy. Another thing to “thank” Reagan for. Top bracket for all income should be 50%.
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u/jason5387 1d ago
Hahah according to him, now rural America needs their own version DEI to compete.
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u/William-Bumbersnatch 1d ago
I love that the Trump has not even been sworn in and THIS is already happening. Jesus, hire a carnival barker and wonder what is with all the clowns.
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u/SkytrackerU 1d ago
Here's a "we're not racist" rebuttal. Not sure, but I don't think he's racist. I agree with his outrage about bringing in cheap foreigners & not investing more in Americans. But then, good grief, he appeals to Biden/Harris to validate his argument that yes, rural American needs more investment.
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u/Trix_Are_4_90Kids 1d ago
oh he fibbed hard about the gov't benefits part. They for sure take them benefits.
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u/SkinnyGetLucky 1d ago
I love how he only gave examples of people good at throwing a ball chef’s kiss
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u/CzarTwilight 1d ago
I don't like vivec too. Dagoth Ur all the way
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u/era--vulgaris 1d ago
Lol, now you've got my nerdy ass remembering when I played Morrowind as a kid and modded it out of frustration with the difficultly level.
I will never be able to disassociate Vivek Ramaswampy from the guy/city in the game now.
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u/Suspicious_Bicycle 1d ago
We should be investing in and prioritizing Americans, now can we eliminate the Department of Education?
The internal conflicts in the MAGA/GOP are going to be too great for them to be able to govern.
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u/Panzerknaben 1d ago
there are literally 50M+ American Citizens who you have no idea if they are motivated or talented. They don't have internet, they live in rural America & are able to make a living off $15/hr for 20+ years while rasing 3-5 kids.
Yet they never vote for anyone that wants to make education more accessible. Instead they vote for the people that want to make it harder to get a decent education so they stay poor and uneducated. But ofcourse its the immigrants that is the problem, not uneducated people that dont have the skills needed for modern jobs.
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u/Meze_Meze 1d ago
Right wingers have a proper meltdown when you suggest free, or at least affordable higher education, then complain why jobs advertised in a car company, a space exploration company and a tech company (all shit companies but I digress) require degrees that they don't have because they couldn't afford.
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u/TDGHammy 1d ago
Maybe they just need to pull up their bootstraps, pound the pavement, demand to speak to the CEO and give a good firm handshake. 👴🏻
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u/AthleteHistorical457 1d ago
H1 and other worker visas need to go. I am an immigrant US Citizen and these worker visas have done nothing but kept wages down and limited opportunities for Americans.
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u/Free-Design-9901 1d ago
When will they realize that America is LAND of opportunities? Geopolitical heaven, that plays on "easy" in the game of civilizations?
Maybe it's not the culture, not the people, not the institutions? Why would American people be exceptional of all the people in the world, if migrants to America generate so much wealth there?
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u/qualityvote2 1d ago edited 22h ago
u/SkytrackerU, there weren't enough votes to determine the quality of your post...