r/LeopardsAteMyFace • u/OceanBlue20 • 16d ago
Teamsters didn't endorse Kamala Harris for not committing to keep Lina Khan as FTC Chair. Trump just announced that he is firing her for a pro-business stooge. Play stupid games win stupid prices. Trump
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u/Cendax 16d ago
What astonishes me is the number of unions and union members who voted for Trump thinking that he would help them. Seriously? He and Elon were shown talking about how much they hated unions, and how they'd like to fire them. At no point have Republicans been considered "pro union."
So the only ones surprised that leopards are now eating their faces are... them. Everyone else thought it was funny how they put the catnip on their faces and expected it to work out.
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u/dancode 16d ago edited 16d ago
A lot of union members think their union just takes their money and doesn't do anything for them. Conservatives tend to take for granted all victories liberals won for them in the past and assume it all just happened naturally. The market just made things better for me they say. So yeah, ignorance in addition to not understanding the stances of the parties since its just identity politics and who they dislike at the end of the day. Then a hefty dose of bias in favor of their own intellect -- "I wouldn't vote against my own interest, therefor my vote isn't against my own interest".
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u/Great-Hotel-7820 16d ago
It’s pretty clear the reelection of Trump was based in a coddled country who doesn’t realize how much Democrats have protected them from.
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u/QuietObserver75 16d ago
It's completely divorced from policy now. There was the thinking from the left that all these rural people would vote for Democrats if they gave them stuff. Biden basically bailed out the Teamsters pension absolutely pumped money into rural areas with the IRA and set up a pro-union administration. He dropped the price of insulin on Medicare to $35 and voters completely rejected all of it. They picked the guy who said he's going to make everything worse and take away all of it.
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u/RockyFlintstone 16d ago
Seriously, remember when we were dumb enough to believe that forgiving student loans would earn the GenZ vote?
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u/ensignlee 16d ago edited 16d ago
The student loan bit hurts me personally. I have a SIL who actually got $10k of Biden's student loan debt relief, is worried about "paying the bills" because of the remaining $50k to $90k of it ...
and who voted for Trump because her husband said that Trump would be 'better for our pocketbook'
I should also mention they are a biracial couple (both are minorities), she is well educated and out earns her husband, and her brother is gay. It never even crossed my mind that she would vote for Trump - I thought the 'choice' for her was voting at all or not (which is still annoying, but nevertheless).
My wife and I spent time encouraging her to vote and she called my wife to tell her that she was in line to vote on election day, yay! ...and then after the election, she tells my wife she voted for Trump, so we did all that "vote motivation" to SECURE A VOTE FOR TRUMP?! FUCKING WHAT?!
NGL, that kind of broke me. Like why the fuck am I donating tens of thousands of dollars per year and spending my time to help these people if they won't help themselves?
BURN. We will all get hurt, but we will not all get hurt equally.
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u/Trilobyte141 16d ago
Sorry your SIL is a moron. At least now you know not to trust her with any sharp objects or hot liquids.
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u/ensignlee 16d ago
She works in the medical field and cancer patients trust her with their lives. Fucks me up, fam.
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u/FckMitch 15d ago
Did u point all these out to her? I can’t understand minorities voting for dRump
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u/ensignlee 15d ago
Sure. after the election, since she didn't tell us that she was even considering voting for Trump until after the election - when she sheepishly told us that she voted for Trump and hoped we wouldn't judge her for it. @%@&@%&@;@
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u/Zorro5040 15d ago
If they come from a religious background, it's no surprise. They were raised to believe in things blindly and that god protects good people and constantly challenges their fate, and they should stick with god no matter what. That bad things happen to bad people, and those who don't follow their strict religious way are bad people tempted by the devil.
The Republican party constantly pretends to be on the side of god and use smart vocabulary to paint their competitors as work of the devil. It's why they have so many conspiracy theorists, they want to feel smart and create connections to the way they were raised and things they have been hearing from their church. If liberals are tempted by the devil, then what other unholy things have they done. It helps them feel secure in their belief and superior to others.
It never surprises me when latinos support Trump. Or how many black people have conservative views if they grew up in a religious household, but don't vote for the GOP only because they faced prosecution for being black.
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u/Zorro5040 15d ago
Highly educated people tend to have the highest likelihood to develop tunnel vision. They feel like their smartness from one thing equates in smartness to everything. So they do little to no research and think they understand everything due to their history of understanding one thing.
TLDR: your sister in law has great intelligence in one thing and is completely ignorant with overconfidence to everything else.
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u/omgFWTbear 15d ago
Just following a complicated, but specialized, instruction sheet. Not figuring it out themselves.
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u/Maine302 16d ago
I don't donate nearly as much (I couldn't!) but I agree that most of the worst of Trump's policies hurt me less than many non-voters/Trump voters I know of. It's uncanny. But I do recall that a lot of people didn't pay attention or were totally disengaged or high during high school.
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u/LoopyLabRat 16d ago
When asked they probably couldn't tell you how exactly Trump would be "better for our pocketbooks."
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u/ensignlee 16d ago edited 16d ago
Yeah, my wife was like 'why didn't you tell me you were thinking about voting for Trump? Why do you think Trump would better for you financially?!?!?! Aren't you trying to have a kid? Kamala was going to give you $6,000 for having a kid next year'
and my SIL was basically like 'you would have talked me out of it, so I didn't want to talk to you about it! I didn't know Kamala would have given me $6k! Is that true?"
Like FUCKING WHAT. YOU DIDN'T TALK TO US BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT WE WOULD TALK YOU OUT OF IT WITH SHIT LIKE FACTS?!?!?!
JKRHDFUIYDFYHKJHFDKJYFDID*&#@TI@HJKQWGI &DRKUYTKJDHSG&(#@%TUWH DG. Fuck it, RELEASE THE LEOPARDS.
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u/ricochetblue 15d ago
I didn’t know Kamala would have given me $6k! Is that true?”
The ignorance astounds.
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u/AppleBytes 15d ago
This is the why I'm not really sweating what's coming. Because, what these idiots need is real, tangible, inescapable pain. Pain they can't pretend comes from some liberal bogeyman.
They did this to us, themselves, and each other.
Maybe... if we're supremely lucky, this will push us to turn on the 1%, before AI and robotics make the majority of people completely disposable.
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u/Ollieflys 15d ago
Agree. My granddaddy use to say to me, “Son! There are some things I can’t teach you and some things that you’re too hard headed to be taught. But mark my words, you’ll learn.”
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u/QuietObserver75 16d ago
But he did it in a way so it would get overturned /s
I don't know how you break through to people who honestly believe and say stupid things like that.
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u/LoopyLabRat 16d ago
Some voter in an interview said he was gonna vote for him for a stronger economy because there's no way he'd be able to pursue his worst policies. Bruh, why not vote for the one not talking about pursuing dangerous policies? Like what?
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u/Nightthrasher674 15d ago
They're the ones who annoy me the most, "so you're willfully voting for a guy who you know is lying to you?" Is my question to them and they never have an answer for it. Then they'll claim he's an outsider and not a typical politician despite the fact they're admitting he's pulling a typical politician move by lying
There's a cognitive dissonance that Trump voters have and it annoys the shit out of me because I'm being gaslit by them
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u/RockyFlintstone 16d ago
It's not possible. All we can do is watch it burn and snark about it until we burn, too.
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u/YoloSwaggins9669 15d ago
See I think we need to acknowledge that very little of this election was based around policy.
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u/DannyBones00 15d ago
Yup. And as a rural Democrat who is absolutely tired of burning political capital to try to win rural voters, only to see Trump win 85% of the vote in my county, why should we try to protect rural voters?
For Democrats, it’s clear the answer is to try to focus on turning out urban and suburban voters.
So the next time the Republicans want to gut farm aid or food stamps or the Department of Education - which is the LIFE BLOOD of most rural counties - maybe we just let them.
Cities will be fine. But rural Appalachia will not. The largest employer in most rural counties is local government, oftentimes supported with federal money. They dole jobs out to the former popular kids in high school, who come from the “right families,” and then grow up to vote Republican.
Forget them. Let it burn.
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u/Ok-Loss2254 16d ago edited 16d ago
It's why I feel this nation should suffer for a while under Republican rule. Dems should just focus on blue states and blue areas. Red states and red areas can do whatever the fuck they want(aka Republicans doing fuck all for the dumbfucks who voted for them).
Plus dems need to be ready for Republican leaders and voters trying to throw blame at them for when things go wrong. Conservatives are a cancer simple as unless they(the voters understand)that conservatives are the is no point in trying to explain things to them.
Also something needs to be done about the non voters. They are a big reason why 2024 was a damn disaster. Fuckers need to be reminded every damn Day that their stupid actions fucked a lot of people over. Their self righteousness or laziness or whatever the fuck is why change will be harder to do on a national level. They piss and moan about how dems apparently don't do anything but forget that Republicans are a big reason why shit can't get done. Well now Republicans certainly aren't gonna allow any positive things for the majority of the nation. And it's their faults as to why that is. Conservative voters didn't surprise me as they were locked in for trump it's what I expected. But the numbers of people who didn't vote threw me for a loop and I fucking hate every last on of them. Because they are why trumpism is the norm and we can't do anything about it.
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u/Shannerwren 16d ago edited 16d ago
“Hur dee dur, the democrats didn’t cater to my needs.”
"Look here, the government isn’t here to fix the fact that you are an unlikeable prick that no one wants to tup."
The government is here to ensure we have nice roads, good schools, clean air and water, living wages and healthcare.
It doesn’t remove the day-to-day drudgery of everyday life. Work and chores don’t fucking go away. You still have get yourself out of bed. Wash you own ass. Bush your fucking teeth. Make your own dental appointments. Go to work. Take yourself to the gym. Pay your bills. Pay for gas. Go to the grocery store. Buy food. Cook food and do the goddamn dishes.
What's coming on Jan. 20, 2025 is going to be so dumb. So very, very dumb and so very breathtakingly horrific.
I am TIRED, y'all. T.I.R.E.D. The kind of tired that sleep does not fix.
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u/JohnnyDarkside 16d ago
That kind of hits on why I think Libertarians are the worst kind of republicans. They hate the government, think taxes are unconstitutional (I know, there is a glimmer of a reasonable argument against taxes), etc, etc. Yet they enjoy all the trappings of a functioning federal, state, and local government. Also, they likely don't realize just how cheap a lot of stuff they use is due to government subsidies. They're the kind of people that believe in "free market" as if large companies haven't shown time and time again that they will do everything they can to control a market and screw over everyone.
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u/Skid-Vicious 16d ago
gLibertarians are political children. They think everything just miracled itself into place while they can’t come up with a workable plan on how to pay for something like a stop sign.
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u/Ok-Loss2254 16d ago edited 16d ago
Are you referring to me? Because I have issues with the people who want to be purists aka the idiots who didn't vote this election. I'm well aware dems arent perfect and can't get everything I want done(I'm center left for context).
All I'm saying is that if America is going to go backwards blue states should have the right to do it's own thing(red states always want to talk about states rights. So maybe they should put their money where their mouths are and leave us the fuck alone. We don't want to deal with conservative values we don't want to live back in 1776 we want to go forward. If America wants to go backwards it's free to do that. Just dont drag other states with them. If you think that's being a prick I don't care Republicans have been dicks this whole time and we have been forced to put up with it. So yeah enoughs enough.
Also odd you went on a boomer rant about life or whatever as if folks don't understand that's something people have to do.
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u/Shannerwren 16d ago
No, I am agreeing with you. I was trying to extend on what you were saying. Sorry.
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u/Ok-Loss2254 16d ago
Ah. OK. I was kinda confused.
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u/crackedtooth163 16d ago
I was about to say they were probably agreeing.😅
We are all angry. Let's make sure we focus our anger in the proper direction.
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u/Ok-Loss2254 16d ago
That's true. I will admit I do get annoyed pretty easily and you are right tensions are high and it's just crazy how dumb a lot of folks are being.
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u/ziddina 16d ago
we don't want to live back in 1076....
FTFY
The American fundamentalist, literalist, apocalyptic, evangelical, bible-thumping fanatical Christian groups like the white Christian Nationalists, Federalist Society, and Heritage Foundation are obsessed with the levels of control and power that the Catholic Church had in Europe during the Dark Ages (although they will never admit it).
They are hyper focused on recreating those Dark Ages in America.
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u/SicilyMalta 16d ago
Dude, it's not blue states / red states - it's mostly red rural vs blue cities. Look at NC, taken over by the less populated red rural religious districts.
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u/Maine302 16d ago
NC seems like a pretty pure example of candidates choosing their voters rather than the other way around.
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u/CliftonForce 16d ago
Didn't you get the memo?
"States Rights" means "A State shall move as far to the political Right as possible. Any Leftward motion will be stopped by another level of government. "
What did you think they meant by it?
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u/Crixxa 16d ago
I live in one of the reddest of the red states that Dems have all but abandoned for at least 5-6 years already and ppl here still blame democrats for all sorts of nonsense.
I mean, our last Dem candidate for governor only switched parties after losing in the last republican primary. His campaign was basically about convincing voters to ignore that he was running with that D next to his name because he was actually conservative.
My question is how many decades of suffering Republican rule do you think we'll need to endure before ppl start to see the light? Because my experience has been that letting the right starve education, undermine public programs, and gerrymander what opposition there is only further entrenches conservatives.
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u/Impossible-Bag-7819 16d ago
Not sure where exactly you're talking about, but it's the same here in central Florida. Republicans have held a super majority for TWO DECADES and dumb shits are still blaming Dems for their problems.
Don't get me wrong, the Dems here suck ass big time and do deserve all of the blame for their continual losing, but they've held zero power to effect law or policy in the state; yet every time deshitstain or the legislature do something it's the dems fault.
Make it make sense.
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u/ShadowDragon8685 16d ago
It's the power of lying.
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u/Impossible-Bag-7819 16d ago
I actually think it's the power of stupid.
You can only lie to me until I have access to the truth. Once I have access to the truth I can see the lie. The problem with stupid is even after giving them access to the truth, they lack the faculties to process it and incorporate it into their binary right vs wrong (win vs lose) world view. Changing your mind based on new information somehow makes you wrong ergo you lose.
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u/HalKitzmiller 16d ago
I agree and this is it 100%. These Conservaturds can and absolutely tell the truth on many of their positions and their voters ignore it, don't give a shit, or support it outright. Case in point, Dotard said he can shoot someone on 5th Ave and get away with it. His dumbfuck cult actively roots for that
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u/RockyFlintstone 16d ago
IMO it's the power of hate. It's hate that keeps people glued to Fox and OANN in order to absorb the lies. They are addicted to rage and it's made them stupid.
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u/Impossible-Bag-7819 16d ago
I'll agree that hate is one of the forces at work, but I still think stupid is the underlying cause of how we ended up here. The stupid are made fearful of an 'other' because they can't/don't understand and things you don't understand are scary, or at least can be made to seem scary.
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u/ziddina 16d ago
They are addicted to rage and it's made them stupid.
THIS. I've personally observed and have read that narcissists, sociopaths and other personality disordered people are addicted to negative emotions. States of chaos enable narcissists, sociopaths and other abusers to influence and control other people, because the chaos creates confusion within which the narcissist, sociopath, abuser can blame others for their actions/abuses.
Chaos is also attractive to the personality disordered because the negative emotional states generate spurts of adrenaline, and personality disordered people are HIGHLY addictive, often having two or more addictions at a time.
It's the same addiction that Trump and the Republican Party's fear-mongering generate.
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u/ProfessorLexx 16d ago
Ready for what? Getting blamed? As long as the media is promoting its anti-progressive narrative, the Dems are not going to be able to counter that. We may be able to pierce the veil, but the vast majority of media viewers will not. They're also locked into the media they've been primed to trust, so they're not getting the truth from other sources.
The media is the problem. As long as the elites have control of the media, America is screwed. Because it's the media that creates the narratives that shape people's opinions and beliefs -- and how they vote.
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u/Ok-Loss2254 16d ago
I'm aware the media is the problem and I'm aware dems can't do anything about it. It's why dems should just ignore this nation and deal with the places they a clear majority in aka blue states that clearly don't want what's going to happen.
What I mean is by getting ready I mean dems in blue states need to fight and the populations in said states need to push them in said direction to do that. Because it's clear that the people in blue states and areas aren't fucking brain dead like people in red states, red areas, and the fucking swing states. It can be done red states have been doing it for decades and it's why it's so fucking bad at this point.
Also blue states need to be more aggressive to red states or any dipshit conservative from a red state coming to a blue state should be made to feel beyond unwelcomed so they can fuck off back to their shitholes(because red states always wanna talk shit but they always come into blue states for some damn reason).
Dems need to stop being passive and it's clear some are understanding this. The ones who aren't rolling over and even admitting they went wrong somewhere aka they played the middle ground to much. If I had to give a criticism for why Harris lost it's because she wanted to play to the moderate. Which is crazy because she is already a moderate but she was pandering to "moderate" who didn't even vote for her. And I'm wondering if she regrets wasting her time doing that. But yeah any dem who is thinking that playing moderate to far right Republicans will lose.
Dems need to change tactics and become more aggressive as well as form long term plans. Republicans have been planning this shit for decades and it's paying off. Be it I do feel they will have issues when they start fucking over people. But dems shouldn't be concerned with helping a nation that does not want to help itself. Blue states and or blue strongholds should be their concern fuck everyone else.
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u/SicilyMalta 16d ago edited 16d ago
The problem is it's more often a small red rural religious population against blue largely populated cities. And if you are gerrymandered like NC, the small population areas are in control - to the point that even if you manage to win despite the gerrymandering the GOP votes to take powers away before the Dems even get into office.
AND my heart has gone cold - I had compassion after the 2016 election when trump supporters cried "I didn't know he was taking away MY health care!" ( I thought he was going to destroy someone else's family.)
Now, I hope MAGA gets everything they voted for.
No mitigation, full bore Trump. Some people need to be burned - twice. Forget trying to warn them the stove is hot.
Talk about Leopards Eating Faces - the gay log cabin Republicans woke up today to discover Trump appointed an anti-LGBTQ assistant Attorney General to the Civil Rights department. I'm Laughing and Crying.
Fk them. Just take care of each other and take cover until this passes.
Edit: typos.
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16d ago
Absolutely. I used to be very pro union, now I wanna see the teamsters broken. Enjoy your gig economy wage and no insurance.
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u/leo_aureus 16d ago
Some of the people are going to be literally burned too--and they will have deserved that also.
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u/olthunderfarts 16d ago
I keep repeating this because it's key to what's happening:
The American far right outright owns several news networks including the most popular, Fox. They own most talking heads including the most popular, Joe Rogan. They own or strongly influence all social media.
A huge chunk of Americans have been spoonfed disinformation and emotional conditioning for years. I don't know how we combat this.
One thing I do know; letting trump just destroy everything and hoping that the population will blame him for it is naive. They'll blame who they're told to blame and it won't be trump.
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u/maleia 16d ago
As long as the media is promoting
The DNC would need to fully commit and fund for decades, at least one News network. They should be loading up Liberal~Left YTers, podcasters, etc. And THOSE people should suck it the fuck up and accept the funding and assistance.
It's literally everything the Right does. Sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire.
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u/Verzwei 16d ago
It's why I feel this nation should suffer for a while under Republican rule. Dems should just focus on blue states and blue areas. Red states and red areas can do whatever the fuck they want(aka Republicans doing fuck all for the dumbfucks who voted for them).
That's been Texas for decades. They lose electricity when there's a cloud in the sky. The people there will never learn, and they'll keep voting R.
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u/Ok-Loss2254 16d ago
Yep and America deserves it. But states like my home state of California clearly don't want it. So we should have the right to remove ourselves from the overall national agenda Republicans want to do(not saying succession I'm saying we will still pay our federal dues so long as the red government does not trying to play political games with us).
As you said Texas is a example of Republican rule and red states in general are dying corpses barely getting by. If America wants to be like that I don't care. The fucjers can blame blue states they can blame minorities they can blame everyone but themselves I don't care. It won't change the fact they are losers who deserve all the strife and suffering they inflict upon themselves.
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u/pinkocatgirl 16d ago
The nation has been suffering under neoliberal rule since Reagan and yet people keep voting for more, do you really think another 4 years of suffering will push people to see the light?
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u/Ok-Loss2254 16d ago
No I don't think Americans have the brains to connect the dots. Plus don't act like it's just neoliberalism that is the problem when neoconservatives are a thing.
It's clear both are a problem but neoconservatives are insane like legit something is wrong with them.
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u/RealAscendingDemon 16d ago
The existence of the neocon's insanity is what drives the Overton Window to the level of lunacy we experience now. I wish we had a center left party vs a center right party (D). Instead we have the Far Reich (R) vs the neolibs always running to the right party
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u/falcrist2 16d ago
Is it my imagination, or are people in this conversation acting like neoliberalism and neoconservatism somehow contradict each other? As far as I can tell, they're mostly orthogonal concepts.
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u/wesleywyndamprice 16d ago
That won't work. My state, Kansas, did that under Brownback and he tanked our economy.so we got a democratic gov and kept a Republican majority in the state legislature. And then my fellow Kansans went right back to trump. These people never reflect on anything nor do they think anything through. Brain rot is a bigger problem than with gen zl. It's nation wide because the media and social media are owned by billionaires who don't want people thinking for themselves.
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u/Fun-Banana-3149 16d ago
how much Democrats have protected them from.
tbh, protected them from themselves.
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u/Drednox 16d ago
I never liked Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth series, and disliked him even more after knowing his life story, but he did write something that I agree with, albeit not sure if it's his or he quoted someone else.
"The worst thing you can do to people is to leave them to the consequences of their actions."
I'm not American but I already feel sorry for you Democrats and anti-Trump Republicans who had voted. You're gonna be included in the consequences they sowed for themselves.
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u/Samurai_Meisters 16d ago
I've been thinking about the Wizard's First Rule a lot lately and how true it's proved to be.
Wizard's First Rule: people are stupid." Richard and Kahlan frowned even more. "People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool."
We need a Seeker of Truth.
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u/TrooperJohn 16d ago
I used to work in systems administration/software maintenance. People around us often wondered what good we were because we didn't always look busy and harried and stressed. Well, we were keeping the system running. The system YOU use so you can perform YOUR job. Our work might be invisible to you, but it's no less critical.
And you bet we got noticed when the system broke down -- which happened very rarely, thanks to our "lazy" maintenance efforts.
The Democrats are the software-maintenance party. Because the work they do isn't sexy or exciting, people take them for granted.
You don't know what you've got till it's gone.
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u/ProfessorLexx 16d ago
How can they realize it when the media misinforms them at every turn, and they believe it because they've been primed to believe their media sources and mistrust all others. As long as the elites control the media, many people are going to be misinformed. Doesn't matter what the Dems do for them, they ain't gonna hear about it. Because the media they listen to doesn't want that narrative, it gives them a completely different narrative every time.
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u/No-Psychology3712 16d ago
This. When you ask a Republican about specific things trump did that were bad. They had never heard of it.
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u/Axbris 16d ago
If Democrats had some balls, they’d actually mention it and beat it over their heads.
Half of these morons can’t even tell the ACA is Obamacare. They love the ACA, but hate Obamacare. In Kentucky, they changed the name of the state insurance because people hated Obamacare, but they LOVE the democrat initiated ACA funded insurance.
Democrats need to start actually taking public credit for shit they do and start bringing to light shit Republicans do not support.
How Tim Walz just allowed Vance to stand up to a podium and lie about supporting ACA is wild. Where is the “no the fuck you don’t. All but 1 of you voted to destroy it. Roll the mfing tape.”
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u/okilz 16d ago
Nah, it's because of racism and sexism. One candidate said you're allowed to hate the brown people again, the other was a brown woman...
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u/Edythir 16d ago
It's in the same vein as the anti-vax crowd. We live in such a safe time in history that we have forgotten all of the horrors we fought tooth and nail to defeat. Now with the horrors gone nobody remembers why we were fighting, or what bad can truly look like.
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u/RattusMcRatface 16d ago
You get that with people that say they wish that things were like they used to be. They're only really aware of the stuff they don't like about the present time, and only recall what they liked about the past, forgetting all the bad stuff back then.
It's the politics of nostalgia, a favourite exploit of populist politicians.
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u/noonenotevenhere 16d ago
They always forget when 'america was great again' taxes on top earners were over 90%, there was no 'capital gains exclusion' for income tax, and sundown towns were still proud to be sundown towns, instead of at least now they try to change / hide / are embarrassed by it. Women couldn't get a bank account, mortgage or apartment without a man signing off on it. Redlining prevented people of color from owning property in many areas...
When people act like racism is fixed now, I ask how their 'middle class' lives would have been changed if their great grandparents, grandparents and their parents were not legally allowed to buy property anywhere near their current childhood home, let alone pass it down to their heir. "Do you dream of owning a home and leaving it to your kids? Imagine you legally couldn't get financing..."
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u/Axbris 16d ago
A lot of my clients used to be old. A lot of them yearned for the 50s, 60s, 70s. Always talked about “back then, the good old days” until I would ask “good to whom?” I’d bring up the fact that the woman in the relationship couldn’t get her own bank account meanwhile her daughter currently runs her own business.
The thought struck, but I could tell it didn’t stick. I could tell, even though I made a point, they weren’t going to accept it.
Reality is we often yearn for our youth while completely ignoring the circumstances around that youth.
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u/thotdocter 16d ago
It's incredible but I've met a lot of gay Trumpers.
They think gays are "safe" now and they can just pull the ladder on trans people. It's like you saw Roe and you think they can't overturn Obergefell or Lawrence?
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u/gwhiz007 16d ago
this and they somehow assume that the hard won changes unions have made will still be there even if the worst case scenario happens.
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u/VertigoHC 16d ago
It feels like my country men don't like reading, history, or and pursuit of intellectualism. I remember reading about The Coal Miner Wars of West Virginia which started unions. People were stacking bodies just for better working conditions. That's how desperate it got.
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u/D-Rich-88 16d ago
It’s crazy that a labor dispute so bloody became so forgotten about in just over 100 years.
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u/Changed_By_Support 16d ago edited 16d ago
I've seen people use militant unionism as a justification for anti-union practices. I once saw someone reference Idaho going right-to-work in the 1980's being due to the Dynamite Express, as if:
- The 1890's were fresh in the memory of people in the 1980's
- The Californians that came in during the 1970's 30% population boom gave a rat's ass or even knew about the Coeur D'Alene mine getting blown to smithereens 80 years prior.
- The unions and unionizers that followed in the trail of those militant ones didn't have the opportunity to be more civil than outright blowing up mills.
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u/SlappySecondz 16d ago edited 16d ago
A lot of union members think their union just takes their money and doesn't do anything for them
Then why don't they quit and go work somewhere without a union and make 10 or 20k less a year?
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u/Lacewing33 16d ago
Exactly, the progress gained in labor, health, and pollution is assumed to be the natural order of things.
This is why anti union, regulation, vaccine, and environmental protection movements are gaining steam. The populace that have experience with the old ways are gone or shrinking.
Regression is unfathomable to them.
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u/SirGravesGhastly 16d ago edited 15d ago
They think that because thats the constant drumbeat of the far right propaganda machine. They hook the workers by playing on heavily gendered and raced affiliations. In plain talk, conservatives have been blasting anti-7nion messages wrapped in combinations of Communist, weak/sissy/ cuck, whites-losing-demographic dominance, college educated "elites" looking down on them. And our side have let this messaging go unchallwnged for generations.
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u/findquasar 16d ago
As a union member with a lot of conservatives in my industry (who are also union members,) this is sadly very accurate.
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u/Frapplo 16d ago
The ignorance is a huge part of it, and it's important to understand where that ignorance stems from.
For decades, we've been under constant assault from right wing media corporations using Orwellian tactics to paint social progress and social justice as the end of Western civilization. It's been working like a charm, too. Not a single person railing against socialism could give an accurate description of what socialism is. No one who spits every time they hear the name "Marx" could tell you what he said. I'm sure they have no idea who Engles is.
It took the literal murder of a healthcare CEO for avowed "rightists" to start unironically stating their leftist positions. Healthcare for all? What is this? Communist Canada?! And this after a 3 year pandemic where people grimaced at the thought of a government-funded vaccine from the Trump Administration they voted into office!
I digress.
Until we get these assholes like Hannity, Shapiro, Bannon, etc. off the air, we're going to be dealing with the same right-wing conspiracy nonsense that holds back any attempt to fix a system rigged against us. Worse, we're stuck fighting the very same people who, like us, very much need to system fixed.
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u/powerade20089 16d ago
I think it probably depends on the union and industry? I know I felt my union was weak for grocery. I never thought they did much for me. I know the union reps liked me because I have always been pro union and grew up in a union family. I did get an office job a few years back.
My husband is with teamsters, and they are insanely strong. We joke that I make the income. He works for the insurance. His union is insanely good, and he constantly argues with coworkers who think the union does nothing.
I am always up for reading others' perspectives, so please let me know!
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u/SweInstructor 16d ago
A union is only as strong as its members.
Combine that with the fact that in some work 1 worker is worth more than 1 worker in another line of work.
1 trucker is going to do a lot more harm than 1 grocery store worker most likely.
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u/C_Madison 16d ago
Yeah. In industries where people are easily replaceable[1] the power of unions is heavily curtailed, especially since a big part of what workers could do is illegal (e.g. block all entry to shops nation-wide).
Such industries also suffer heavily under bad social security, because there will be a readily available group of people to replace union workers in case of a strike. That's one of the main reasons companies are against good social security (and public healthcare). It shifts the power dynamic in favor of workers.
[1] In comparison to other industries. I don't believe in "unskilled labor", but it's a fact that it will be easier for companies to hire non-union grocery store workers pretty fast. In specialized industries this is harder. Either it takes longer or if the industry is very specialized it may not even be possible.
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u/tehZamboni 16d ago
Some of the biggest union haters I know are union members. They'll happily burn the place to the ground while they're still inside.
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u/nobadhotdog 16d ago
From my experience a good number of those dudes are angry at their unions due to some masculine arrogance of “no one has to help me I shape my own future” then leave the union dipshit
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u/Ok-Loss2254 16d ago
A lot of macho men are just a bunch of crybabies who have a fuck ton of insecurities and need to be patted on the head because reasons.
Dudes like that are annoying as fuck because they just want people to kiss their asses simply because they exist.
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u/SlappySecondz 16d ago
Then why the fuck don't they pick a non-union shop to work at?
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u/nobadhotdog 16d ago
Because they’re too arrogant to admit that together they’re stronger than alone
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u/dern_the_hermit 16d ago
"Rugged individuality" is just repackaged "divide and conquer".
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u/LordTuranian 16d ago
It should just be called rugged stupidity at this point. Because you know what happens when a lone wolf goes up against a wolf pack? He ends up as the wolf pack's biatch. If you think you don't need anyone else in your life, that you are some kind of one man army, you have delusions of grandeur.
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u/4tran13 16d ago
but... why
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u/OneMetalMan 16d ago
Union dues.
They CANNOT comprehend how that 10$ a week ensures that their paycheck is double what it would be.
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u/camelslikesand 16d ago
Bang on. "Union bosses are just lazy crooks who take our money."
I'd much rather have someone skim $2 from my $30/hr job than make fifteen.
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u/LordTuranian 16d ago edited 16d ago
It's one of the flaws of human nature. Always thinking the grass is greener on the other side and not appreciating what you have if you aren't careful. Well they are about to find out the grass on the other side is just a pile of shit.
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u/ScotchTapeConnosieur 16d ago
I’m in SEIU as a respiratory therapist. Have gotten 30% in raises in 3 years.
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u/AndHerNameIsSony 16d ago
I'm SEIU as well. Left my last job to make 50%+ more WITH a salary schedule, a pension, and all the other benefits. Not to mention union protections I didn't have at my last job, and a much healthier work environment. My $70 dues are absolutely worth it and I couldn't see myself going anywhere else.
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u/Pandoras_Fate 16d ago
You're dealing with an intellectual class that would take a nickel over a dime because it's "bigger" if the right man pointed it out.
I'd love a union job.
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u/EpicBeardMan 16d ago
Makes sense, they can't figure out a how a little bit of tax money translates into more valuable services.
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u/ogbellaluna 16d ago
what idiots. it also provides their health insurance for cheap, lower co-pays for doctors visits, lower co-pays for surgery, lower co-pays for hospitalizations, and lower co-pays if any for prescriptions.
these people are not reality based
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u/HikeTheSky 16d ago
Because they are arrogant and bullies. So they want to punish everyone else for everything they did wrong.
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u/cnhn 16d ago
When one of the union presidents was onstage with trump, that was when I knew it had all gone wrong.
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u/5minArgument 16d ago
It was astonishing how many union members praised Reagan and the GOP after they broke the back of unions in the 1980’s.
They literally campaigned on the need to lower US wages, yet “the working class “ still loved them.
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u/thebastardking21 16d ago
That and Latinos are the weirdest ones to me. White women I get, because they care more about being white than women. But unions? They explicitly said they would do everything they could to destroy unions, have said so for a while, and yet union members still voted overwhelmingly in favor of them. Like, normally the leopards have to at least *pretend* they won't eat your face, but this is a case of the leopard saying "I am going to eat your face specifically! You! John! On the plate!" and John going, "I think he has my best interests in mind."
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u/kujiranoai2 16d ago
Don’t forget American moslems - surely in a league of their own for leopard dining options.
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u/Ok-Loss2254 16d ago
I still can't get over how the fucks had the nerve to cry to Biden for help. It's like they think trump won't just throw out anything Biden does.
I hope the idiots still have the energy to protest trump but I doubt the cowards would do it. They had the luxury to protest dems and push them to do the right things even if it was difficult to do. And trust me I am not happy that Biden sucks the dick of Israel unconditionally despite the fact Isreal fucking hates Biden and dems because Biden and dems at least tried to make them calm the fuck down with the bombing of civilians. I know they think dems didn't do enough(as if dems can control Israel)but dems tried to.
Republicans are going to let Israel off the leash and Palestinians are gonna suffer because Muslim Americans just had to do their little protest vote.
Mind you they aren't the main reason trump won and they love to harp on about that. But that's not the point the point the fuckers voted for trump and third party as if those stupid options would solve the problem in the Isreal Palestine conflict shows how braindead a lot of them are.
The ones who voted for trump are a special kind of stupid and I want to yell at each and every one of them who are now all of a sudden shocked that trump has packed his cabinet with hard-core zionists, doomsday cultists, and wannabe crusaders. They can just shut the fuck up because they can't act like he didn't tell them what he was gonna do.
Dems don't owe them anything for the stunt they pulled. Same with the Latinos who voted for trump. When trump comes for them they better not cry for help from the dems. And same with the women who voted for trump who will no doubt be shocked when womens rights is pulled back. Because all this shit could have been avoided if people used their god damn brains.
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u/ClearDark19 16d ago
You're channeling my same feelings. I have no sympathy for black men who voted for Trump either. Like 1/3 of Gen Z black men voted for Trump, and around 1/4 of black men overall. Black voter turnout last month was the lowest in several elections.
As a black man who voted for Kamala I don't want to hear any bellyaching from black men under Trump about Stop & Frisk, the SCOTUS outlawing interracial marriage, schools getting de-integrated/re-segregated, nationwide police immunity, or Derek Chauvin and Darren Holtzclaw getting their sentences commuted. I don't wanna hear shit about reparations either.
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u/RaiseNo9690 16d ago
They vote them because in the end, muslims and christians are all 1 family under the same god and following the same book that teaches hate for lgbt.
Voting republicans will hurt lgbt is a big pull factor. All that talk about gaza and democrats doing nothing is just a cover for the homophobia.
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u/Babyyougotastew4422 16d ago
Misinformation is rampant. People are just not good at getting the right info.
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u/ThunderPreacha 16d ago
The - You can lead a horse to the water but can't make it drink - often applies to many people.
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u/Forsworn91 16d ago
Sometimes, learning the hard way is the only way it works.
They will learn the hard lesson, billionaires don’t care about us, Elon, Trump, they will fuck then over, rob them blind, piss in their faces, and then demand they smile and thank conservatives for even allowing them to exist.
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u/bobone77 16d ago
If you’re waiting for these people to learn anything, you might be even dumber than they are. 🤷🏻♂️
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u/ComprehensiveHavoc 16d ago
More likely they'll just get angrier and continue misdirecting their rage until the country devolves into violent chaos, over high egg prices.
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u/LordTuranian 16d ago
They'll just blame people for not teaching them how to read. :P
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u/Ok-Loss2254 16d ago
Elon and trump pretty much bragged about how Elon treats his workers like shit. The fact anyone willingly works for Elon and puts up with that makes me feel a lot of people enjoy being treated like garbage by their betters.
The fact so many idiots think the wealthy care about them makes me feel a lot of folks just love the abuse.
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u/Cautious-Thought362 16d ago
Yeah, Elon and Donald John will demand a cut of the union take "or else."
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u/Quierta 16d ago
My uncle, who's been a union member for ~30 years, almost voted for Trump until his COUSIN (also a union member) informed him about Trump's views and actually managed to convince him to vote for Kamala. Which he had to do in secret, because the REST of all his union buddies still voted for Trump...
Oh well. I hope my uncle's job and benefits are safe, and he got +1 respect from me for having the capacity to listen.
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u/UncleCornPone 16d ago
it is astonishing. He's the most idiotically and confoundingly successful grifter in modern American history. His game is so obvious, so hamfisted...and yet he's made rubes of (more than) half of America. It really is wanting to believe so much that they'll ignore the obvious just to keep the dream alive. It's like when you buy a lotto ticket...you know you aint gonna win but it's the dreamy plans you get to envision for that 11 second walk back to your car, except these morons keep dreaming even after the winning numbers have been announced.
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u/Eurynom0s 16d ago
Because the NYT et al credulously sanewashed him into a champion of the working class.
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u/GiuliaAquaTofana 16d ago
Because they don't hear them saying that. These fucking morons are too stupid to get off tiktok for real news. They would rather some fucking idiot influencer, give them the DL on what's happening in the world.
Ask any idiot who supports Trump or Elon I guarantee they get their news from SM and maybe a spinkle of fox or Newsmax.
I feel zero empathy for these idiots. Ziltch.
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u/EFreethought 16d ago
I think there are a lot of people who agree with liberal/Democratic positions on a lot of issues, but for some reason they like to think they are conservative/Republican.
Why they say one thing and do something else is beyond me.
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u/Ok_Adhesiveness_4939 16d ago
I don't know anything about the guy, but I saw a headline that combined the FTC chair news with the envoy to Greece as Guilfoyle, and I just wanted to say, I'm sorry I never saw Athens. Presumably the Greeks will burn it to the ground as soon as she arrives, just to stop the screaming.
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u/LucretiusCarus 16d ago
Presumably the Greeks will burn it to the ground as soon as she arrives, just to stop the screamin
We mostly hope she'll fuck off to Mykonos for the next 4 years and leave the actual running of things to some competent bureaucrat.
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u/spazz720 16d ago
It’s a no nothing position meant to keep her silent. Unless something major occurs there that involves American interests, expect her to be drunk the whole time.
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u/LetsGetsThisPartyOn 16d ago
Yes. Let’s not link to X anymore.
Let’s just ss anything
Let’s give Leon nothing
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u/Harmonia_PASB 16d ago
Melonia is by far my favorite nick name for him right now.
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u/MrsMiterSaw 16d ago
"Wages are too high"
--DJT, in his literal opening statement at his first debate
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u/sixwax 16d ago
So much word vomit every time he opens his mouth, he’s just a Rorschach test for gullible morons.
It’s the pundits, podcasters, and Faux News that interpret him for people.
Basically, his constituency is people who cleverly avoid thinking for themselves despite taking pride in exactly that. Fml.
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u/werther595 16d ago
"If you will only give me 80% of what I want, I'll endorse the guy who assures me of 0% instead!"
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“Tim Walz lies so much I couldn’t stand it! I had to endorse Trump!” - Joe Rogan
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u/Mendozena 16d ago
“Can you believe Joe said this stupid thing? Why’s he still in office!? He doesn’t know where he is!”
Actually T said the thing.
“Oh. Welp he’s just so silly! That’s T for ya! Wakka Wakka!”
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u/RedSonGamble 15d ago
Favorite clip is a guest pulling up a study that goes against what Joe says and then Joe is just like well who even does these studies I mean how reliable are they?
Like can people just admit they only follow the rules they like. Also fuck Joe for not pressing trump about legalizing or at least decriminalize weed. But why would Joe care he smokes openly in a state where it’s illegal.
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u/IronEnvironmental740 16d ago
Unironically how he won in both 2016 and 2024. I know a non zero number of Bernie to Trump voters. 2020 was the one time people put aside the purity tests for the greater good.
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u/im_THIS_guy 16d ago
Republicans don't have this problem. That's the only reason why they still win elections.
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u/Cosmicdusterian 16d ago
There was a time when I union members knew better than to vote for the right. Knew that Republicans represented the owner class only. Reagan changed that, and he busted and weakened unions. Sadly, the blue dog Democrats moved that way as well, but not as completely. There was some balance. These fools voted for the candidate admiring and cackling with his pal Leon about busting unions weeks before the election.
They voted for that. For the first time in my life, having been raised in a union household, I don't give a shit what happens to the Teamsters or other unions who turned their backs on this country and voted for a rapist, and criminal openly intent on destroying the working class and this country. They voted for the Billionaire Owners. They deserve everything coming their way. I hope their more enlightened members who knew what was heading their way will never let them forget it.
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u/davidw 16d ago
Ok, but you just linked to the space nazi's web site. Hard pass, thanks.
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u/werther595 16d ago
Maybe we can find other "news" sources without sending traffic to President Musk?
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You mean First Lady Musk?
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u/werther595 16d ago
I believe Trump is Elon's first lady. Elon is paying the bill and that comes with certain...expectations. It's president Musk
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u/Wyden_long 16d ago
Blue sky or die.
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u/BachmannErlich 16d ago
That could be a song title from any 80's metal band, most likely AC/DC or Van Halen.
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u/RetiringBard 16d ago
Meanwhile Trump and his circle openly hate Lina Khan. Like…”if you don’t promise to protect her we’ll vote for those dudes trying to kill her..” ? Is this a mafia voting strategy thing?
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u/DataCassette 16d ago
The Union members who voted for Trump honestly were probably QAnon people and Christian Nationalists. They chose to get pissed on by the wealthy to be "anti-woke" so fuck em.
Like I get that's not a productive reaction and I need to be better but it's so insane and frustrating I can't process the stupid anymore.
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u/spcwright 16d ago
I 100% agree with you. Let it burn and they will learn.
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u/LostMyPercolatorFish 16d ago
They won’t learn but they deserve the misery that’s coming for us all
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u/Motophoto 16d ago
just remember when they start whining and want YOU to help them.. THEY VOTED FOR THIS!
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u/LurksAroundHere 16d ago
Oh they're definitely going to pull a "Let's put politics aside so we can come together and figure out how to fix my problem" only to go right back to "Democrats are evil and need to be defeated" just in time for the next election. Never fails.
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u/ogbellaluna 16d ago
they are already trying that on family, when they voted against someone’s rights. ‘we shouldn’t let politics come between family’ - nah, you let politics come between family, when you chose to vote the way you did. don’t come at me for trying to protect myself, when you have shown you’re not an ally, and an unsafe person to be around.
this was not an election about differing political opinions; this was an election about differing morals. big difference.
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u/TeamHope4 16d ago
Biden, Harris and the Democrats saved the Teamsters pension fund, among other union pension funds, with the American Rescue Plan that no Republicans voted for and Harris had to cast the tie breaking vote in the Senate. I guess they believed Trump when he told them he was going to stop "them" from coming into the country and taking their jobs instead of voting for the lady who saved their pension fund.
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u/CMDR_kanonfoddar 16d ago
You voted to get an anal reaming with a broken bottle, enjoy your reaming.
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u/LucretiusCarus 16d ago
but they told us the broken bottle would be lubed?! Why would they lie?
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u/Alive_kiwi_7001 16d ago
Harris's policies on reaming with a broken bottle were too vague. I couldn't take the chance.
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u/BiNumber3 16d ago
She was probably just trying to figure out why a broken bottle, why not an un-broken bottle. But took too long to answer.
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u/YoureADudeThisIsAMan 16d ago
Can’t wait to watch every single one of these unions get fucked over by Trump. They had a chance and chose the wrong guy. Too bad they couldn’t have collective brain power, only collective bargaining. But I guess that’s what happens when they rub their two brain cells together.
Leopards be hungry this time of year
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u/CommanderSincler 16d ago
Let's not forget Sinema and Manchin blocking Biden's nominees to the National Labor Relations Board, which would have given the Dems a majority until 2026. Now there will two more vacancies for Trump to fill
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u/Tatooine16 16d ago
Union workers in one of the biggest unions in the country voted for the most anti union candidate since Ronny Raygun in the most blatant anti-union party. Get that leopard some Tums. "The trees saw the forest was disappearing but they voted for the ax, because the ax was clever and told them that because his handle was made of wood, he was one of them"-Turkish proverb. Those union members are trees.
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u/Benromaniac 16d ago
Trump praises Leon for firing workers attempting to organize, amd Teamsters didn’t flinch.
Working class party lol
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u/phdoofus 16d ago
I feel like union members (and a lot of other people tbh, have gotten a lot dumber about a lot of things over the last few decades.
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u/Mean_Git_ 16d ago
Fuck them, they’re going to be as powerless as the democrat fuckwits. They can’t even threaten to strike as the cunts will have decimated the labour laws within the first 4 weeks so that sissy spacex can make people work 20 hours days with no overtime.
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u/feedmedamemes 16d ago
Honestly, this is one I can get behind because they wanted to make sure that a democratic administration doesn't back down and bow out here. But the Kamala campaign tried to appeal to conservatives who are also against Trump and the slightly Republican leaning independents. That was the biggest mistake.
Also Lina Kahn is a hell of a woman who is (sadly soon was) amazing at her Job.
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u/Great-Hotel-7820 16d ago
They didn’t endorse her because the idiot membership voted to endorse Trump and they weren’t going to do that.
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u/tphillips1990 16d ago
Should there ever come a time when the country is forced to unite and stand against Trump's rampant abuses of power as his throngs of supporters are reluctantly forced to realize that he was NEVER the savior of the common man they INSISTED on believing he was...I've gotta say, I don't know how I might react in such a scenario. Because now, I'm having a very hard time viewing a lot of people in this country as anything other than my enemy.
Then again, I'm being ridiculous. Such a thing would never happen. Anyone who still managed to view Trump favorably is fundamentally defective and would rather die than admitting they were wrong about anything.
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u/skyfishgoo 16d ago
she was finally getting to the bottom of some of our worst anti trust situations... the oligarchy can't have that.
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u/qualityvote2 16d ago edited 16d ago
u/OceanBlue20, your post does fit the subreddit!