r/IDmydog • u/latterosed • Sep 08 '24
Never seen a dog like this before, any ideas? Solved
Not my dog obviously, just caught a glimpse of him at a red light. Any ideas as to what he is? This is maybe the cutest dog I’ve ever seen and I’m so curious.
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u/Guilty-Web7334 Sep 08 '24
Fluffy Frenchies are cute as pie, but they aren’t standard… so you’ll only get them from backyard breeders who try to make designer dogs. Even properly bred Frenchies are a boat load of issues (because the standard isn’t even a healthy standard), but these guys often have it worse.
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u/fsandsf Sep 09 '24
There are a couple fluffy frenchies that come to the grooming salon that I work at. Aside from overheating, another issue that they tend to have that I wouldn’t have even thought about: they get poop matted to the entire backside very easily! I’m not talking about a couple dingleberries like most dogs, but multiple turds all over the butt and tail. Extremely disgusting to deal with and tends to irritate their skin as well :(. They really are not built to have long hair.
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u/Ok_Bumblebee_2869 Sep 09 '24
Yep, I have a fluffy and can attest to the poop thing. We wipe his butt after every poop. (He’s a rescue. Yes, was a result of bad breeding. Breeder would literally ditch the dogs they don’t want. As in throw them in a ditch.) I’ve also heard that all long haired frenchies have heart problems, as does ours. Ours was going to be ditched because he is infertile - hypospadias, which is an intersex condition.
I really wish someone, not even sure who, could work on breeding a better frenchie. Longer snout at least to start. I read (on a Reddit comment) that somewhere in the UK this is happening.
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u/Kitiarra Sep 09 '24
When I bred Frenchies I bred for health. Longer noses, straighter legs. Mine could actually breed and whelp on their own.
I could never sell them. People wanted the squat breathing challenged dogs. It was sad. I couldn’t place them in the show ring either. I ended up getting out of them right before the Frenchie boom.9
u/spanishpeanut Sep 09 '24
When I heard that Frenchies have to undergo cesarean sections to give birth I was horrified. Still am, honestly.
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u/Powerful-Jacket2007 Sep 09 '24
How do you breed for a longer nose
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u/poom3 Sep 09 '24
Continue to pair dogs with slightly longer noses each generation, while not breeding any with brachycephalic noses.
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u/bluecrowned Sep 09 '24
You can also outcross, which is absolutely normal in other species but frowned upon by the dog fancy for some reason.
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Sep 10 '24
What they’re describing to you is also backyard breeding and unethical. Well bred frenchies are very healthy. The breathing issues come from people who don’t do proper health testing and titling.
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u/picklecruncher Sep 10 '24
Qualify "well-bred", because I would argue that the "show-type" are more unhealthy because they're bred to have extreme physical characteristics.
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u/ConfidenceNo8259 Sep 09 '24
If you want to breed for health don't breed frenchies 🫡
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u/Kitiarra Sep 09 '24
You can breed healthier frenchies if done right. But like I said. People are ignorant and only want the ones that are breathing challenged. I had received all kinds of compliments on my dogs from judges. They participated in dog sports like bite work and agility, with no issues. So yes it can be done. But the majority of the public doesn’t want healthy. I’m hoping the tides are changing with the new law overseas.
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u/ConfidenceNo8259 Sep 09 '24
Dog show judges definitely don't have health in mind and absolutely shouldn't be the ones setting standards or commenting in any way on what's healthy. The "standards" set by people in that field are absolutely atrocious.
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u/Kitiarra Sep 10 '24
I agree hence why I left frenchies!! I walk in circles with my dogs because if I don’t the dog community shuns me in my breed.
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u/DanisDoghouse Sep 09 '24
I did recently read that they (who ever “they” are) are trying to breed them differently to eliminate their breathing problems primarily. When this will happen I can’t say.
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u/potatotay Sep 09 '24
I've seen Frenchies with longer snouts and better bred online before. I'm not even looking but people were really into it. Hopefully it takes hold. It was too cute.
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u/n0dic3 Sep 09 '24
Probably because frenchies can't even squat properly to poop from what I've witnessed, so their butt isn't even facing the ground like it should, you know what I mean? Then add fluffy to it and well...
Probably something to do with their spines
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u/AreYouAllFrogs Sep 09 '24
It is also very difficult for them to groom themselves down there because of their inflexible bodies and short faces.
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u/B_schlegelii Sep 09 '24
Yeah and honestly, the poorly bred frenchies and English bulldogs many times have their buttholes basically on top of their butt. It's so strange looking.
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u/Sufficient-Quail-714 Sep 11 '24
You can still get a fluffy frenchie that is ‘properly bred.’ It’s just rare since it requires two dogs who have the autosomal recessive gene - which is rare - to have a puppy and then it’s 1:4 odds even then. Random info provided by me who has a purebred (granted backyard bred) fluffy pitbull lol tbf my guy is excessively inbred which makes the fluff chances even higher when it’s there
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u/Intelligent_Pass2540 Sep 08 '24
A poorly bred doggo (Fluffy Frenchie) that comes from unethical backyard breeders. I've fostered so many frenchies and these Fluffy guys and Merle coats as well as other Fashion Colors come with major health problems and people who don't breed dogs for health and improving the breed.
It's one of those situations where just because we can doesn't mean we should.
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u/mizfred Sep 09 '24
people who don't breed dogs for health and improving the breed.
Tbh, I think at this point that's basically anyone breeding Frenchies (and other breeds with extreme anatomy). The standard just straight up needs to be rewritten. 🫤
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u/unkindly-raven Sep 09 '24
the standard creates healthy dogs when they are bred to that standard . brachy breeds can be bred and create healthy offspring when done so by ethical breeders
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u/anorangehorse Sep 09 '24
The AKC breed standard for French bulldogs describes a dog whose anatomy directly correlates to severe medical issues. I used to believe they were free of the issues, but they aren’t. I’m saying this also as a massive supporter of ethical and preservation breeding.
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u/HiILikePlants Sep 09 '24
Every time I see this person's comments they're insisting Frenchies can be healthy 😭
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u/anorangehorse Sep 10 '24
I love them. They’re adorable with hilarious personalities- such silly little dudes. But even the most well bred perfectly pedigreed frenchie 100% will end up having at least some of the typical issues. They may be less severe, some lines may be healthier, they may have better structure than these Merle fluffy abominations, but there’s a reason “healthy for a frenchie” is a saying vs just “healthy”
“But you’ve only seen byb frenchies! Well bred ones don’t need to go to the vet!” (I’m a vet tech)
I have at least 3 “ethical” kennel names (one of which is an AKC breeder of merit, and all of them can be found on the parent club breeder referral website) that produce dogs with BOAS when they claim they don’t- that I have met in person… in the ER. None of them are immune to IVDD or other spinal deformities, neuro issues, aspiration pneumonia, or heatstroke- which they’re far more prone to than the average dog due to their hypertrophied nasal turbinates. (I’ve personally never seen a heatstroke Frenchie walk out of my hospital). Their tongues can even cause issues due to their size compared to their mouths. Their gene pool is so small, that all frenchies are actually fixed at the CDDY gene responsible for their spinal shape and stout structure. They’re also prone to ingrown tails, which is not only extremely uncomfortable but can also cause lower spinal issues that lead to incontinence. They’re also more prone to dental disease- as all brachy breeds are. ALL of these things are directly correlated with their anatomy depicted by the O holy breed standard people like to use in their arguments.
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u/HiILikePlants Sep 10 '24
Yes! I used to board two Frenchies who came from the same breeder. One dog was better, but the other dog had ivdd and hip problems. Her hips would just splay out randomly on hard surfaces, one leg just drifting out slowly until she often fell. Granted, this was just a couple dogs but they're ones I can confidently say came from a reputable breeder.
I just don't believe a dog can have that body and not have issues. They just look very stiff and bulky, like they practically can't bend their knees. I used to joke these girls were little tanks, but ofc they're not tank like the way a pit can be wide and tanky and still athletic. They're tanky like they'd just blow over the way a cardboard cutout might 😭 And that's not even getting into the face! These girls had so many fungal issues with their face folds 😓 and ofc panting and snorting was their default
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u/mccky Sep 09 '24
Don't tell all those champion Frenchies running FastCAT they are unhealthy and can't breathe. A well bred Frenchie is a healthy happy Frenchie.
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u/anorangehorse Sep 10 '24
Breathing is just the very tip of the iceberg. See my last comment.
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u/mccky Sep 10 '24
Do you really think unsound dogs can run a hundred yard dash and earn titles?? You don't understand quality breeding at all.
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u/anorangehorse Sep 10 '24 edited Sep 10 '24
Im part of the conformation world and actively show and do sports with my well bred dogs. I absolutely do- and still know that the majority of Frenchies have issues pop up at some point in their lives due to their anatomy. Most of the frenchies in the ring have extremely stenotic nares, and almost all of them have spinal abnormalities pop up later in life. You can’t deny it, and I don’t understand why frenchie people get so aggressive and claim that they’re 100% perfect and completely immune to health problems. Just because there’s a few breeders who have dogs that can run doesn’t mean the breed as a whole is not unhealthy and the standard needs to change. Why are spinal rads not included in OFA required health tests? Why is BOAS grading not included? Because breeders don’t want to admit that the dogs are deformed in the name of looks. Im glad your frenchie is an exception to the norm, but I’m sorry but I just don’t agree with you. I used to, I genuinely did for a long time. but I simply can’t anymore.
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u/mccky Sep 10 '24
No breed is immune to health problems. All we can do is health test and make choices to try to breed to the standard and the overall dog. Every breed has its purpose, whether it be herding, hunting, protecting or just being a lap dog. We should not be forcing one breed's standards over to another because we don't like something about that breed. Frenchies were a lot better off before they became so popular. I know because I showed them over 20 years ago when hardly anyone knew what they were. The problem isn't the standard. The problem iscthe number of people cashing in on their popularity.
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u/anorangehorse Sep 10 '24
“heavy wrinkles forming a soft roll over the extremely short nose”
“roach back”
“The tail is either straight or screwed”
“Hind legs… longer than the forelegs, so as to elevate the loins above the shoulders”
Do you understand how these requirements can lead to issues? Everyone has a different idea of how their dogs conform to the breed standard and what they deem acceptable, and we know judges have their preferences as well. The standard is written in a way that heavily favors the extreme, which leads to less breeding of those with more moderate features that can potentially increase long term QOL.
“We are initially requiring that a dog be entered in a hip, patella, and eye registry in order to obtain a CHIC number. We also recommend additional testing for heart and thyroid conditions” - directly from the parent club website. BOAS grading and spinal rads should be MANDATORY before any dogs are bred. And it’s not, because the majority of them would fail.
Roached backs, and hind legs higher than the forelegs again leads to an increased risk of disc breakdown over time. Screw tails cause a whole host of issues on their own as well! Frenchie features are getting more and more extreme and it’s only going to get worse as their popularity increases.
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u/unkindly-raven Sep 09 '24
short muzzle does not automatically mean the dog has medical issues galore . short faced dogs absolutely can be free of those issues when they are properly health tested and bred ethically :)
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u/n0dic3 Sep 09 '24
They didn't... say anything about short muzzles...
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u/unkindly-raven Sep 09 '24
whose anatomy directly correlates to severe medical issues.
it … was implied .
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u/n0dic3 Sep 09 '24
You know there are other parts of anatomy that... correlate to severe medical issues right?
Like their naturally short tails messing with their spines? It really feels like you haven't done much research on any of this honestly
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u/anorangehorse Sep 10 '24
IVDD, syringomyleia, heavily prone to aspiration pneumonia, corneal ulcers, more prone to heatstroke than average dogs, ingrown tails, skin issues…none of these have anything to do with their snouts
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u/Intelligent-Stock-29 Sep 09 '24
AKC standards are ruining dogs.
“The muzzle broad, deep and well laid back; the muscles of the cheeks well developed. The stop well defined, causing a hollow groove between the eyes with heavy wrinkles forming a soft roll over the extremely short nose”
There’s no way breeding for an extremely short nose is in the dogs best interest. Same thing with the super sloped back on German shepherds.
I’m all for ethical breeders that specialize in one dog but you have to weed out the unhealthy, mutilated breeds.
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u/unkindly-raven Sep 09 '24
no ,, you need to weed out the unethical breeders that aren’t creating healthy dogs that better the breed . banning brachy breeding will not lead to healthier dogs .
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u/Intelligent-Stock-29 Sep 09 '24
If the breeding standard for a brachycephalic dog is to make the nose as short as possible there is no ethical breeding leading to healthier dogs.
I wouldn’t get anywhere near Frenchies as I enjoy having dogs that can exercise and breathe properly.
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u/unkindly-raven Sep 09 '24
wellbred frenchies can exercise and breathe properly ! hope that helps 🥰
healthy brachy dogs exist because of ethical breeders ❣️
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u/axolotl-tiddies Sep 09 '24
Fun fact: I work in vet med and it’s really hard to extubate brachy breeds because they don’t want to start breathing unsupported again, since after surgery is the first time in their lives they can ACTUALLY breathe. Hope that helps 💕
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u/unkindly-raven Sep 09 '24
you’re referring to poorly bred brachy breeds , i’m talking about wellbred ones that DONT HAVE ISSUES
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u/ConfidenceNo8259 Sep 09 '24
Also work in vet med. Even a "well bred" frenchie is not ethical in my opinion. I specifically work in dentistry. On top of all the issues they face due to their "breed standard" conformations, there is absolutely no way for a frenchie to have a healthy dentition due to the shape of the skull. Even frenchies with longer snouts physically cannot have a normal dentition. This leads to oral pain and suffering.
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u/latterosed Sep 09 '24
Thanks for confirming that this was a fluffy frenchie everyone!
Just to note, as I said this is NOT MY DOG LOL and I do not plan on getting one, I was just in awe because I have never seen a dog like this before and he looks as though someone mixed a bulldog with a brown bear.
I can totally see how he was bred unethically.
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u/Common_Chameleon Sep 09 '24
He is really cute, it’s a shame that he’s a genetic abomination who will likely develop major health issues. I had never seen a fluffy frenchie before this post, I would have been curious about him too!
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u/Green-Promise-8071 Sep 09 '24
Tons of rescues have these guys due to breeders dumping them or owners giving up on them. You can most likely find a Frenchie rescue in your area if you find them sweet but don't want to contribute to the overbreeding
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u/Marcovio Sep 09 '24
Bully breeder here of 20+ years. Some Frenchies carry this rare recessive fluffy (LH) gene, which has existed since this breed was originally established...so all purebred Frenchies have it in their bloodline. The question is whether a breeder decides to breed a fluffy Frenchie forward in their program as it’s considered a fault by Frenchie standards. Just as Merle coat is a fault, there are breeders who intentionally breed fluffy frenchies regardless. Downside to fluffy puppies is that they can overheat more easily as a brachiocephalic breed like bulldogs breeds that can have double coats (ie Olde English Bulldogges, Olde Victorian Bulldogges…etc). They require more grooming during shedding season. Otherwise, they don’t have any additional health issues over smooth coated Frenchies.
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u/Glass-Trick4045 Sep 09 '24
Is this equivalent to breeding a double dapple with dachshunds?
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u/Marcovio Sep 09 '24
No, that’s more like breeding a double Merle, which is the same thing. Seriously, introducing Merle into bully breeds is the most asinine decision bully breeders have ever done because of greed at detriment of all these abandoned breeding females. Just infuriating. Thankfully, scrupulous breeders can do a genetic panel to see if a potential pairing is compatible, but that doesn’t stop shitty backyard breeders. Personally, I wouldn’t mind owning a fluffy Frenchie because I live in the west bay of the SF Bay Area where it’s much cooler.
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u/Junior_Pea_9418 Sep 12 '24
This is completely false. The one documented fluffy Frenchie happened in 1920’s/30’s. Moöny de Montgobert was the only picture evidence that we have of this ever before the current day. She appeared to have a tail as well… whereas it should have been not present. If the gene was always there we would have ALWAYS seen them and have more documented examples, this breed isn’t’ new.’ It is noted that Moöny was born in a litter of normal pups. The chances of this happening are astronomically low, since the only way it can happen is if the complete litter, half a litter, or a quarter of the litter is fluffy. It may have been a normal litter with both parents being carriers, but the TAIL being present is what is the biggest key of evidence here. It is likely Moöny was part of a multiple sire litter (yes this happens) and just happened to be the pup that was crossbred. Again, it was a normal litter, while Moöny was not, it’s also extremely likely we would have seen tons of Frenchies with this trait before Merles arrived on the scene. Merle is a semi-dominant gene, and isn’t recessive at all… and it came out of nowhere. It was not in the breed and if it was it would have been seen. The fact that this crossbred trait appeared before any concrete truly tested long hair came into the equation we can confidently say that there was crossbreeding present and whatever long hair there is is probably a result of secret or under the table crossbreeding and paperhanging… ONE dog apparently justifies the entire existence of this genome and it’s a FRINGE theory to try to sell out of standard, worse-off dogs with LESS benefits of owning (it’s a mutt and as soon as it’s shown, it’s disqualified… so you just get… a pet just with all the costs of a papered dog 🤦♂️)
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u/Marcovio Sep 13 '24
Clearly you don't know what recessive gene means. If you bothered to read the article from the link above, it explains many of the points you mentioned. So no, it is not completely false...but I get it, we're on Reddit, reading and comprehension isn't mandatory...
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u/Junior_Pea_9418 Sep 13 '24
No. I read it. The point that I was trying to make is that the recessive gene that SUPPOSEDLY had been in the breed for at least a hundred years if we are to believe Moöny was in-fact a full Frenchie, we would have seen it at least a more than once and documented. We haven’t until the last ten years. I do and have done a fair bit of reading. People are misled by direct translations of the text as it is in French, Angora doesn’t denote that it was a kind of Frenchie that was available, as in an ‘Angora Frenchie;’ it is simply a descriptor for the long hair. We would have seen tons of these ‘angora’ frenchies if they did exist. Not as much as normal frenchies but there’d still be loads of documentation. Meanwhile, a trait that is dominant, Merle, is NEVER seen in the breed and suddenly appears in the last decade and Frenchie registration numbers start skyrocketing in the kennel organizations, yet showing numbers stay the same. We would have seen Merle, FACT, as it is dominant, sooner than the last decade if it was within the breed. This is because there was obvious crossbreeding and lying in paperwork, AKA ‘PAPERHANGING.’ Only then do we see a ‘return’ of these frenchies with long hair. It can be highly speculated, and proven, that many if not all of these fluffies are the result of recent crossbreedings. This fact kind of went viral a year or so ago when one of these breeders showed his secret to obtaining the long hair frenchie gene. He had this weird crossbred dog that looked like Falkor and he was a certain percentage Frenchie. When bred back to frenchies the pups inherit the structure and the Lh gene. After a few generations, they come up 100% on DNA tests but ancestrally they are crossbred. All five variants of long hair did not exist, nor were ever documented until recently after proven crossbreeding. It’s extremely fringe to bet the existence of a gene on a single dog from the 1920’s who was KNOWN to be an absolute oddity. A tail, long hair; described as having hair of an Angora Rabbit and born to a litter of NORMAL pups. It’s highly likely the litter was the result of heteropaternal superfecundation which is used as a breeder tool often in today’s age with paternity tests now available to create multi-sire litters. It happens in dogs more frequently because they release more eggs during ovulation. It would be wrong to assume that a gene that was not present before Moöny, or after came from anything else than an accidental multi-sire situation.
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u/Marcovio Sep 13 '24
Your argument does make sense. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone unscrupulously crossed a “pure bred” Frenchie that carried this recessive gene into the Frenchie pool just like the idiots who brought Merle coat into the breed in recent years, bringing more issues into the breed.
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u/Ok-Walk-8453 Sep 08 '24
Fluffy frenchie. More of a genetic nightmare than most regular frenchies and I have seen people purchasing them for up to $50,000.
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u/MeanderFlanders Sep 09 '24
Unscrupulous breeders that care only for $$$and don’t adhere to the breed standard and call them Fluffy Frenchies. Avoid any French Bulldog breeder who breeds for “blue” coats, Merle, blue eyes, and anything other than the AKC standard.
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u/forgot2wipee Sep 09 '24
It makes me so sad to see dogs like this.
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u/PrincessFairy222 Sep 09 '24
for real. like damn you rly got a dog with no research or care for your dogs well-being throughout it’s life
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u/CoolVeterinarian9440 Sep 08 '24
It’s a backyard bred mutt they try to pass as a purebred. They call it a fluffy big rope French bulldog. Will charge you thousands for breed faults
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u/Zens-Basket209 Sep 08 '24
It’s a fluffy French Bulldog, I ask you not to go down the rabbit hole on then because you will start to find other variations of French bulldogs such as wired hair, fur less and some others.
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u/theAshleyRouge Sep 09 '24
An extremely poorly bred dog that is likely mostly frenchie, but not 100%. The proportions are way way off, even for a BYB frenchie, so I’m thinking some “exotic” American bully is present too.
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u/rainbowsdogsmtns Sep 09 '24
Poorly bred Frenchie. Created by people who like money more than being responsible stewards of a dog breed.
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u/kevin_300 Sep 08 '24
Fluffy Frenchie. Chow Frenchie? 😂😂
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u/Agitated-Mechanic602 Sep 09 '24
it’s just a fluffy frenchie which is a byb and puppy mill creation
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u/raccoon-nb Sep 09 '24
Fluffy French Bulldog. It's a backyard breeder trend at the moment. Poor dog probably has a ton of issues.
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u/Dragon_Jew Sep 08 '24
Be sure to get health insurance for this baby if he/she is yours
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u/NorthCoast11 Sep 08 '24
I rescued a designer dog from a backyard breeder and I got health insurance for him the day I brought him home. I've had him not two years and the health issues are nonstop.
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u/Different-Active1315 Sep 08 '24
I’d almost day sharpei frenchie and something else fluffy? 😂 never heard of a fluffy Frenchie but we have a pomsky in our neighborhood. All these “designer mutts “. 😆
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u/Grimaldehyde Sep 09 '24
Fluffy frenchie, for sure…do not go for it. When they start messing with the breed, it screws them up. We used to have a “regular” frenchie, and he was sweet and kind. After he died, we got another one, but this one is a “merle”, and they don’t naturally come in that type of coat. He is the tazmanian devil, with all kinds of skin issues
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u/False_Reputation_235 Sep 09 '24
A mutated Frenchie somebody ruined.
They’ve recently added a gene to frenchies to make them long haired and double the price. Quite frankly just shouldn’t be done or even exists
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u/mcasleigh Sep 09 '24
He looks like they tried to combine a Frenchie with the full head/fluff of a chow chow wtf 😩😭
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u/NightHowler13 Sep 09 '24
They're categorized as one of the smaller versions of "American Bullies". Supposedly, actual French Bulldogs had a hidden gene for long fur that just happened to miraculously pop up when the AB became popular, but I wouldn't be surprised if those breeders actually mixed in yet another breed to those horrendously bred dogs to get long coats.
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u/DanisDoghouse Sep 09 '24
That’s a fluffy. This one doesn’t look well bred but if you look online for them from reputable they can be close to $20k in some cases. I’d say they avg $10-12k.
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u/snowman_ps4 Sep 09 '24
I just learnt the existance of Fluffy Frenchie , looked like a chowchow mix to me lol
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u/wolkigol Sep 09 '24
No normal nostrils only narrow slits.
The poor dog will have a hard time to get enough oxygen. And dogs can‘t just breath through the mouth like we are able to.
It is so sad.
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u/Small-Barnacle-3366 Sep 09 '24
fluffy frenchie. i had a fluffy girl named tiana and they are nothing but walking vet bills. super expensive dogs with so many health issues (i was not aware before i got her).
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u/louilondon Sep 09 '24
Fluffy Frenchie I have two of them both with no health problems and a longer snout 🐽 really helps with breathing
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u/NorthCoast11 Sep 08 '24
Looks like a Chow Chow.
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u/Patience-Personified Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
Mammoth Bulldog. Not sure if they are any healthier than a fluffy Frenchie but I have met one before.
Edit: I do not promote short nose dogs and I am no fan of designer breeds. Bulldogs have different groups that have been actively crossbreeding/outcrossing them to improve health and being the breed to a past healthier state. I am not saying the mammoth Bulldog is actually from that process or just an over bred rare gene. https://functionalbreeding.org/how-we-can-use-outcrossing-to-restore-and-maintain-genetic-diversity/
https://www.bullybreedersassociation.com/breeds/mammoth-bulldog/ They look healthier then Frenchies. But that's not a high bar to pass
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u/unkindly-raven Sep 09 '24
what in the byb designer mutt is a “mammoth bulldog” ????
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u/Patience-Personified Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
https://www.bullybreedersassociation.com/breeds/mammoth-bulldog/
So I agree with your sentiment that designer breeds are not great but the breed/group of bulldog is complicated. There are groups who are actively cross breeding/outcrossing to improve health not designer looks. It is possible the longer fur is a side effect to that which would indicate a better gene pool. But it is also possible that a rare gene is over bred.
https://functionalbreeding.org/how-we-can-use-outcrossing-to-restore-and-maintain-genetic-diversity/
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u/unkindly-raven Sep 09 '24
breeding mutts does not help the heath of bulldogs tho . ethical breeders do
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u/B_schlegelii Sep 09 '24
The site even says "they're free from all breathing" thank goodness. I'd hate to have a dog that breathes.
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u/unkindly-raven Sep 09 '24
LMFAO what a typo 😭😭 that’s so morbid
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u/B_schlegelii Sep 09 '24
I know right? Also, "working dog of the 1800s"? Bulldogs were bred to bait bulls so...are bloodsports back? Like that's why they were bred so weird, especially with the underbite and everything. I really don't know of any other "work" they did.
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u/Patience-Personified Sep 09 '24
I am not even sure what you are saying.
Outcrossing and/or intentionally breeding multiple breeds with a focus on health is improving a gene pool.
Are you familiar with dalmatians? All pre-bred dalmatians are from one male sire which led to a defective gene in all of them. Now there are outcrossing dalmatians who that defective gene has been bred out. By outcrossing to pointers. Making a "mutt" improved the gene pool.
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u/ThatsMyJackett Sep 08 '24
Fluffy Frenchie. Only backyard breeders bred them like that.