r/GoingToSpain • u/General_Wave6467 • 2d ago
Has anyone used the non lucrative residency for 2 years to get the citizenship? Visas / Migration
Ho. So I have a few questions for anyone who was given the citizenship using this method (as a latin American).
During the 2 years of the residency Can I travel to other countries of the EU or even back home to Mexico obviously for no more than maybe a month at a time
If so, will it postpone the time I need for the citizenship per travel or would it still be 2 years even if I travel every now and then
I know I have to prove I have the means to stay, I need to have $30,000 USD I think, do I just have to show my last month bank statement or do I have to show more months before applying?
I know After applying for the citizenship you should stay in spain until they give it to you. But can I move to another EU contry somewhere close maybe to be there if needed?
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u/Ok_Necessary_8923 2d ago edited 2d ago
I'm not sure a DNV counts for residency time at all as far as citizenship is concerned. But assuming it does:
In general, 1) less than 90 days in any rolling 365-day period for citizenship, 2) if you go over, you are back to 0 unless you can justify the exit as force majeur / an unavoidable work necessity with otherwise very strong ties to Spain, etc. Both of these things are somewhat open to interpretation based on life circumstance, but it's more strict with shorter residence applications, as is your case (the default is 10 years).
On 3) I'm unsure about amounts, but I believe you are mistaken. On 4), no, you must continue to live in Spain up until you have a DNI in hand.
Also, if you move out, you must make use of your citizenship, or you can be stripped of it. That means having a DNI and passport up to date, registering with the consulate where you live, voting, ideally set foot in Spain if you are in europe.
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u/General_Wave6467 2d ago
Oh okay, awesome, thank you. About number three, even if I'm wrong with the amount, when I show proofbof expenses (whatever it is) does it have to be just last statement or from several months?
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u/reddit33764 2d ago
When I applied for NLV in January, the Miami consulate asked for my last taxes and 12 months of bank statements. They want to make sure it's your money and where it came from instead of someone just getting a loan from a friend to get the visa.
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u/RomanceStudies 2d ago
Wow, my NLV from San Juan (PR) required none of that. This was during the pandemic. Just a one page print out from my bank to show how much was in there. Then again, I would expect PR to be more lax than US proper.
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u/Mayor_Salvor_Hardin 1d ago
Each consulate has different requirements. In https://spainguru.es you can find information about the requirements.
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u/Ok_Necessary_8923 2d ago
That's just it, I don't believe you normally have to provide proof of funds for citizenship. Your lawyer (and you should talk to one) may recommend you present work related documents to support integration (you work, are a productive member of society, etc.) but I don't think it's directly listed for naturalization for iberoamerican people.
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u/plugnplay- 2d ago
This. I'm planning on leaving for no more than 6 weeks outside of Spain. I personally know someone who traveled outside of Spain but within the Schengen countries and they were fine. Outside of the Schengen for more than 6 weeks I wouldn't do if you're planning on naturalizing though.
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u/rex-ac 1d ago
Spain tracks evwry flight in and out of the country. So they will be able to see you left the country, even if it's within the EU.
Hell, even if you drive, they record all license plates going in and out of the country.
When it comes to taxes, they will go as far as look into bank/pharmacy/hospital/roaming records to see in what country you were each day of the year
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u/chuchofreeman 2d ago
I remember reading that you have to pay tax during those 2 years, but now I cannot find that information
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u/Gerell 2d ago
3.) I hope you're not fixating on that one year IPREM amount, your savings should be at least 3x that amount plus cost of living. NLV renewal considers 2 years worth of savings instead of just one.
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u/General_Wave6467 2d ago
That's not what I'm worried about, I have the savings but separated in multiple accounts, I want to know if they will ask for the statements of months before to put it all in one account starting now, or just wait for the month when I apply and join the money. That's why I was asking
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u/RomanceStudies 2d ago
I applied in 2020 with 2x for my initial visa and it was fine, but yeah each consulate acts differently.
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u/RomanceStudies 2d ago
The following tracks with what I've found in previous years, though I believe in your case only the first part under Temp Residency would apply:
Temporary Residence Permit Spain
First, we have temporary residence permits. These are generally issued for 1 or 2 years. For these permits, the Spanish government has set the limit at six months per year. Any more than that can cause issues for those working on permanent residency applications.
What’s more, if you’re interested in applying for permanent residency, you could be rejected if you have spent more than a total of 10 months outside of Spain in those 5 years. So, make sure you keep track of all your trips outside of the country.
Long-Term Residency Permit Spain
In the case of long-term, long-term EU, or permanent EU cards, you are allowed to leave the country for a longer period. With this type of permanent residency permit, you can leave the European Union for a maximum of 12 months consecutively or 30 months sporadically over 5 years. So, there is more flexibility here. Source
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u/GrondKop 1d ago
Good luck to you, my friend. You will probably never find the answer. Spain's policies are extremely opaque
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u/Pristine_Review_3748 2d ago
While the study of your naturalization, it's highly recommended not to go out of the country