r/GardeningAustralia Nov 05 '22

What do I do with this space?! 🙉 Send help

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u/Squally92 Nov 05 '22

That's an excellent idea. I'm trying to be more water concious so this would definitely help! I have a similar useless space directly behind where I took this photo (but even smaller). That's got a down pipe as well, so that might be exactly the thing I need for there.

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u/Beneficial-Degree506 Nov 05 '22

Looks like your in WA from your brickwork and a nice leaning tree, looks windy, we used to have to clean out gutters just for sand, dunno if that'd end up in the water tank?

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '22

wa brickwork is generally terrible

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u/Beneficial-Degree506 Nov 05 '22

It's a completely different style of construction here as opposed to over east, but yes I believe 20% of houses built during this boom will be signed off but not even close to Australian standards.

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u/Anusmaximus777 Nov 05 '22

When you say different to over east, are they better or worse?

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u/Beneficial-Degree506 Nov 05 '22

Well WA houses are usually (95% of them at least) double brick construction, the only timber is in the roof and the front door frame. Big builders rule the roost. Most of the guys who started them ie dale alcock, Scott Park were bricklayers originally.

Eastern States is predominantly timber frame construction or brick veneer (timber is the structural part not the external brickwork) a small builder can do two houses are a year and is usually a carpenter by trade.

I'm a WA bricky so I'm biased and prefer double brick, solid and insulates well.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '22

i have a friend who is a bricky, one of the tidiest ive seen. generally the quality in WA is poor, especially during peak times of population growth. dont even need to put a level on it, perps all over the place.

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u/Beneficial-Degree506 Nov 06 '22

I get off to good brick work mate. Boom time brickys make me sick. I've seen one 90mm cut in the middle of a garage wall once, nearly fell over. Also crews like 'kronic konstructions' big weed leafs on their shirts n shit, messes of blokes.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '22

what gets me is the piss poor designs too, large areas on slabs joined by a little walk way. guess what happens as it cures, it cracks at the narrowest point. seen so many slabs crackd right through and they still build on it. slabs poured short, edge of doors just floating on air. id never buy a new build here, we got a house built in 73, jarrah floor on stumps. brickwork and ceilings in better shape that a 12 month old cookie cutter

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '22

the company i did my apprenticeship with in the uk had the best brickie ive ever seen. he got sent to the skills Olympics for bricklaying and came home with a bronze. laying intricate pictures in the brickwork, amazing.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '22

single pane windows, fibreglass insulation, no eaves on the roofs. cut my teeth in uk, worked over east,NZ and WA. WA definitely produce a lower quality home imo. the houses built in Perth would melt in Melbourne and UK.

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u/Anusmaximus777 Nov 06 '22 edited Nov 06 '22

That's interesting. To be fair, Melbourne is considerably colder than Perth. I was expecting everyone to say they're crap here in Melbourne (compared to Perth).

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '22

they'll say they are better because of the double skin brickwork but all the generic builders churn oit pretty average work. the marketing is so strong, they sell the houses on tap wear and appliances

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u/Anusmaximus777 Nov 06 '22 edited Nov 06 '22

If I can ask you further, I'm curious;

Do the construction standards and methods (at least those legislated) differ significantly from state to state? Would you say you get better build quality (and "bang for your buck") for your money in Perth compared to Melbourne (ignoring land costs)? Thank you

Do you find one state complies more with the standards? Talking about new builds here obviously.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '22

im not 100% tbh, in Melbourne there seemed to be more variation in the builds but i was in the inner suburbs. There are good builders in Perth, just heaps of cookie cutter first homes getting thrown up as fast as possible. Like the fella said earleir there will be many houses not built to standard during this pandemic. there's a shortage of bricklayers but in Perth you only need 1 qualified onsite and the rest can just be labour laying straight runs. hearing horror stories of people who built during the pandemic, seen many roofs go up but with the tin shortage they were just left out in the elements. roof timber is only termite treated, not h3 or h4.