r/Eugene • u/born_again_atheist • 3d ago
West 11th & Oak Patch taped off by police.
Driving to work this morning and the cops have the entire block taped off on west 11th starting at Oak Patch to the next block going east. Anyone heard anything? Tried looking but didn't find anything as of yet.
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u/Wiccanworm 2d ago
Vehicle - pedestrian fatality.
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u/born_again_atheist 2d ago
Of course people drive like maniacs on that road. 35 ain't fast enough and will get you tailgated the entire way. Had a guy yesterday after work tailgating me because the 4 cars in front of me were going too slow for his liking. I just slowed down more.
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u/Wiccanworm 2d ago
Yeah, it's not just W 11th; I'm a non-emergency medical transport driver, and literally have to go the speed limit or I'll get in trouble. I have been nearly ran off the road multiple times in several different areas of town because I'm going the speed limit.
Pedestrians always have the right of way in Oregon. There is no excuse for something like this happening on a well lit road like 11th.-8
u/Budtending101 2d ago edited 2d ago
They only have the right of way at crosswalks.
Everyone downvoting me needs to read the damn laws and educate yourself. ORS 814.040 https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/bills_laws/ors/ors814.html
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u/Major-Rub-Me 2d ago
This is not true. As soon as they express intention to cross, they have the right of way. Stop spreading false info.
As long as they are at a crosswalk OR intersection they have the right of way. All intersections are crosswalks in Oregon.
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u/Diligent-Island5554 2d ago
That is exactly what the other person was saying. You are failing to account for locations other than intersections or crosswalks marked in the roadway. Pedestrians must yield to drivers in the roadway (i.e., not intersection, "middle of the road") where no crosswalk has been created. So your argument is wrong.
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u/Major-Rub-Me 2d ago
They need to yield before stepping in the road. Once they have stepped into the road , they have the right of way. That's why cars arent allowed to vehicular manslaughter people. The law is particularly worded this way to prevent liability to drivers who have people jump/dash in front of their vehicle.
If you hit someone who stepped out into the middle of the road when you had ample space and time to slow down or stop, you will be held liable.
I understand the intricacies of the law are hard to understand, hope this helps.
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u/Diligent-Island5554 2d ago
The source that YOU provide literally says "every CORNER is a crosswalk." Obviously if someone has time to stop to avoid hittind a pedestrian they should, but that is not what is being argued. That is a strawman argument. This is not a discussion about vehicular manslaughter. No one is arguing "if a pedestrian steps in front of me and I have the option to stop, should I stop or go ahead and hit them? If I go ahead and hit them when I could have prevented it would I get in trouble?" You concocted this little storyline to directly refute instead of directly addressing any of my points.
This is about who has the right of way when, and you are absolutely wrong, even by your own sources. Stay on topic.
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u/Major-Rub-Me 2d ago
I'm sorry that you failed at reading my post and are trying to scream about strawmanning now. Try rereading your comment and my reply and maybe that'll help.
As my post said and I'll restate for you here, peds need to yield to cars in roadways, but in Oregon they still have the right of way once they have stepped into the road and begun crossing. You can't run your car into them and not be liable. Once someone is in the road and crossing, even not at an intersection, they have the right of way.
You can take it up with a lawyer if you don't believe me, I'm sure they'd appreciate the consultation fee.
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u/Diligent-Island5554 1d ago edited 1d ago
You are wrong. No matter how condescending you try to sound you are wrong. There are laws against jaywalking in Oregon. That is what I am arguing. You are arguing about driver responsibility and I am arguing about pedestrian responsibility. I agree with you, it is negligent to drive and hit a pedestrian at any point in the roadway if there is time to stop. That is reckless driving, vehicular manslaughter. On the other hand pedestrians have responsibilities as much as drivers do. If a pedestrian crosses outside a crosswalk or interestection, they can be cited and fined for jaywalking per oregon law. Because it is unlawful to cross in any other space.
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u/Budtending101 2d ago
Sorry you are wrong A pedestrian crossing the roadway at any place other than a crosswalk must yield the right of way to all vehicles. ORS 814.040(1)(b)
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u/Major-Rub-Me 2d ago edited 2d ago
All intersections are crosswalks in Oregon.
Directly from City of Eugene website: https://www.eugene-or.gov/2929/Every-Corner-is-a-Crosswalk
Every public intersection is a crosswalk whether or not there is a signal, stop sign or painted lines. You may find crosswalks that have painted stripes, are accompanied by stop signs or traffic signals, or that are unmarked. Additionally, there are mid-block crossings in some locations marked by painted white lines. If you are unsure what constitutes a crosswalk when driving, it’s best to stop to avoid conflict. See ORS 801.220 for details.
The website you copied that from is a lawyer from Portland's website and is intentionally written in such a way as to deceive people about what constitutes a crosswalk. The laws appear to contradict each other but what you posted simply means people aren't allowed to jump in front of cars.
This is a good life lesson for you: .com websites are not trustworthy over their .gov counterparts and often time regarding legal matters are owned by a specific lawyer who is attempting to funnel civil cases to their practice.
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u/wvmitchell51 1d ago
If you are unsure what constitutes a crosswalk when driving, it’s best to stop to avoid conflict.
This is the answer.
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u/Major-Rub-Me 2d ago
Additionally, as soon as they have one foot in the road they have "the right of way". The website you are visiting (oregonpedestrianlaw.com) is a lawyer-owned website who practices our of Portland and is attempting to funnel business to his practice by not fully disclosing all relevant info.
Buying Google top search results is the new age ambulance-chaser tactic. Hope this helps!
All relevant info can be found here: https://www.eugene-or.gov/2929/Every-Corner-is-a-Crosswalk
You do not have "the right of way" over pedestrians at ANY intersection, marked or unmarked. Nor do you have the right of way once someone has entered the road and begun crossing.
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u/Budtending101 2d ago
I said pedestrians only have the right of way at crosswalks. Intersections are crosswalks. I was responding to the person that said pedestrians always have the right of way. You are making up shit I never said to sound right, tell me where in the ORS it says as soon as pedestrians step into the street they have the right of way. Because it’s not fucking there. The ORS I posted says only at crosswalks. Stop spreading misinformation
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u/Major-Rub-Me 2d ago
Crosswalks Drivers must stop for pedestrians in all crosswalks, whether marked or unmarked. Pedestrians have the right of way in crosswalks if they give drivers enough time to stop.
Intersections Every intersection is considered a crosswalk, even if there are no markings. Drivers must stop for pedestrians in the crosswalk, or approaching it.
Sidewalks Drivers must yield the right of way to pedestrians on sidewalks. Drivers must also stop before driving onto a sidewalk from an alley, building, driveway, or private road.
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u/Diligent-Island5554 2d ago
Just want to hop in because I cannot figure out why you are getting down voted while this other person is being up voted. Pedestrians have right of way in 3 places according to Oregon Law
- MARKED crosswalks at an intersection
- UNMARKED crosswalks at an intersection (essentially, every intersection is considered a crosswalk) and
- MARKED crosswalks that are in the roadway (ie, not at an intersection.)
IF the pedestrian signals intent to cross or even just steps out (which in itself signals intent) in one of these three places* (regardless of things like: Driver has a green light, crosswalk does not say "walk") THEN the pedestrian has the right of way.
IF the location does not fit any of above, THEN the driver has the right of way (the only other place being in the roadway, not at at an intersection, where a mid-road crosswalk has not been formally created)
This is literally in every source posted by you, found through browsing oregon law in my own research, and the thing that pisses me off the most- IN THE SOURCES CITES BY THE PERSON ARGUING WITH YOU. Yet somehow you are the one beng downvoted? Blows my mind. Don't let it go u down
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u/Budtending101 1d ago
Thanks dude. It’s wild. Someone can be so smug and condescending when they’re wrong. I drive hazmat trucks for a living. It is my job to know these laws. Pedestrians always having the right of way is a very common misconception as shown by this thread. I feel like maybe we should all be taking a class before getting our license instead of a self study test. Cheers.
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u/TheDarthLooper 2d ago
They drive like maniacs everywhere. People drive way to fast for these small windy roads.
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u/Paranoid_Neckazoid 2d ago
The problem is people start slowing a half mile before the intersection. By slowing further you are also the asshole.
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u/LaVidaYokel 2d ago
That’s not “the” problem nor is it a “problem” at all. If someone is going slow, then just practice a little patience because the city is literally not large enough for a few minutes slow down to affect one’s travel in any meaningful way at all.
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u/Low_Matter_6374 2d ago
No it's a pretty big problem.
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u/LaVidaYokel 2d ago
No, its not. Its also hyperbole, no one is slowing for an intersection a half a mile from it. If anything, “the problem”, in this scenario is people racing from red light to red light; like maybe they’re gonna beat it. Pay attention to how people constantly blow through yellow and reds here and you’ll know I’m not wrong.
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u/mmmohreally 2d ago
So you’re advocating racing from one stoplight to another would’ve prevented this?
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u/Paranoid_Neckazoid 2d ago
See taking a strawman approach is always fun. All I said is some slow too early.
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u/born_again_atheist 2d ago
Naw, they were all going about 30. I typically drive 35-40 if there's not a lot of traffic. However tailgating me when there's other cars in front of me going slow accomplishes exactly nothing.
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u/Paranoid_Neckazoid 2d ago
True, but not going the speed of traffic just out of spite is just petty. Maybe the police could like do some policing.
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u/ObserveOnHigh 2d ago
Where are you getting fatality from?
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u/Wiccanworm 2d ago
From my transport dispatchers, who get information from Ridesource, as well as a friend who drove by around 4am just after it happened; they said there was a lot of blood (as if the ped had been dragged) and that the clean up crew was still working on it around 7am. I would be happy to learn it wasn't fatal, but based on the information I have, I don't believe that's likely.
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u/Distinct-Horrors 2d ago
Vehicle vs pedestrian. There was another one late last night just down the road by the Walmart.
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u/Duke_Silverbud 2d ago
I knew the person who was hit. I dont know the circumstance, if he was crossing the road illegally or not, but he wasn't a homeless person. This sentiment isnt connected to my last sentence, but I just want to say he was a good person. RIP buddy, you will be missed.
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u/Admirable_Farm_6015 2d ago
They were already there when I went to work at 4, was also wondering what they were doing there
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u/LMFAEIOUplusY 2d ago
a hit and run. :(
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u/born_again_atheist 2d ago edited 2d ago
That's fucked up. I hope it was caught on surveillance cameras and they catch the asshole.
Edit: LOL downvoted for hoping the guy gets caught? WTF?
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u/Major-Rub-Me 2d ago
This sub is only reactionary moderates and conservatives now, everyone else has been banned or moved off this disgusting website.
So don't take it personally that people think that, uh, "killing other people" is bad.
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u/wvmitchell51 2d ago
But apparently he came back after they found parts of his car. Model citizen /s
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u/TakeMeCampingPlz 2d ago
We have pedestrians getting hit like its a huge metropolis, wtf....No worries though folks, your city council is sitting on their hands like they always do.
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u/Mantis_Toboggan--MD 2d ago
It's a real issue. Too much dangerous driving and distracted drivers, and it doesn't help that there's so many people playing frogger too. Can't even count the number of times someone just runs or walks out in front of me on 99 or 6th/7th, slamming the brakes for them probably account for a decent amount of my brake wear, luckily I pay attention and do the speed limit...
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u/Raging_Rooster 2d ago
My friend was the one that lost his life. Very sad our circle is shook. Please respect him at this time.
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u/DragonfruitTiny6021 2d ago
7 traffic cops is not enough, regular patrol needs to ramp up traffic stops.
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u/AliKat339 2d ago
I transferred from Springfield to Eugene and it’s like working in the Wild West now. Thieves will blatantly steal from us and if they don’t have a car, they’ll run out of our parking lot across west 11th, not even looking…
Eastbound West 11th was blocked just past Beltline last night at 8:30 and still was at 10:30, anyone know anything about it??
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u/born_again_atheist 2d ago
I come from all the way out 52nd street in Springfield to the old Hynix plant for work every day. It's such a lovely drive, LOL
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u/cavemanim 2d ago
Just why stay off 11th Street I still live on Mill and 10th ferry alley ice be able to walk to the part right there in the vicinity and on my way back go to walk to the old people place that had no newspapers in their business and they wrap you up a fish meal and sunny on your way
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u/washington_jefferson 2d ago
Oak Patch is a real street name in Eugene?
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u/deputyprncess 2d ago
It’s.. just a bit south and west of Washington and Jefferson
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u/Admirable_Farm_6015 2d ago
I know I'll get down voted for saying this, but that early in the morning, you have a lot of people that just step into the road as well. While I agree traffic drives a little crazy on West 11th, if people used crosswalks as they are intended, this would happen a LOT less, same on 99. I drive both of these roads every day around 4 in the morning and can't count the number of times people just wander or, purposely, walk into the road at random places.