The "state" may be required.

[u/OkManufacturer8561]

Communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless, society, a utopia one may add. Unfortunately, I believe we may need the "state". Now, it ultimately depends on how one defines the "state", however if one of the key factors of the state is a military, police, armed forces, ect. I am here to state that we may require said forces to defend ourselves and expand our civilization against other species. This is unironic.

[u/Verndari2]

I don't believe in the "withering away" of the state once we reach a classless society. I believe at that point the state becomes a true institution which expresses the will of the people accurately and manages society.

[u/spookyjim___ → u/Verndari2]

I don’t think you understand what the state is lmao

[u/Verndari2 → u/spookyjim___]

The state is an instrument of class rule, so far I go with Marx.

But I don't think Marx really understood what the state was. Hegel's concept of the state as objectified spirit is way more accurate.

[u/spookyjim___ → u/Verndari2]

Look at my communists dawg

[u/Verndari2 → u/spookyjim___]

Yeah? I'm a Communist because I still have the same goals as you. I just have a different prediction about what will happen when we overcome class distinction and reach a classless society.

[u/relaxedsweat → u/Verndari2]

Your prediction is that the instrument of class rule becomes a “true institution” when class is abolished. You’re obsessed with some kind of external leadership. Why can’t the people just express the people’s will accurately themselves?