r/DebateCommunism 6d ago

The "state" may be required. Unmoderated

Communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless, society, a utopia one may add. Unfortunately, I believe we may need the "state". Now, it ultimately depends on how one defines the "state", however if one of the key factors of the state is a military, police, armed forces, ect. I am here to state that we may require said forces to defend ourselves and expand our civilization against other species. This is unironic.

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u/blue_eyes_whitedrago 6d ago

A state always justifys itself, it is never just. The state can be a stepping stone in revolution, but it will continue to try and justify its existence even after its usefulness fades.  States create other kinds of oppression that arent class oppression, i support a dictatorship of the proletariat as the sole state that should be aspired to for revolution. Vanguard parties are paternalistic and small, despite success in russia, i find them oppressive. I dont really think anarchists and leninists really have that much divide though. I think if people looked they would see their ideas lining up. Simply put, the state is never "required" its just utilized. Nothing is "required" except unity and liberation.