Materialism is Debunked

[u/Lugh_Intueri]

Lawrence Anthony, a conservationist, had a close freindship with a herd of elephant at his game reserve in Africa. He had rescued and rehabilitated them and over time, they developed a trust.

Lawrence Anthony died in 2012. Two days after the elephant herd led by the matriarch traveled 12 miles to his home. They stayed there for two days, mourning as they do their dead.

The elephants had no material way of knowing about Lawrence's passing. There were no phone call, no messages, and no visible signs for them.

After this, the elephants returned again exactly one year later.

https://www.cbc.ca/strombo/news/saying-goodbye-elephants-hold-apparent-vigil-to-mourn-their-human-friend.ht

https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/mind-blowing-power-of-love-20100925-15rl7.html

[u/Lugh_Intueri]

They showed up the night he died. Not even long enough for any routine change. Yes I think telepathic.

[u/Old-Nefariousness556 → u/Lugh_Intueri]

Yes I think telepathic.

Let's assume you were right, and this was a telepathic link. How does that "debunk materialism"?

Even if your claim were true (which it probably isn't), all you have done is show a phenomena that we don't understand. You don't "debunk materialism" until you can prove that the "telepathy" involved didn't have some previously unknown materialistic cause.

Of course, the far more likely explanation is exactly what /u/nerfjanmayen and /u/Mjolnir2000 pointed out and they just came looking for their friend. You have simply ignored that-- to the point of lying about the time frames involved.

So why on earth should we think this "debunks materialism" when you have to misrepresent the facts involved to make your argument plausible?

[u/Lugh_Intueri → u/Old-Nefariousness556]

So you think telepathy is possible under materialism? Then why is controversial?

[u/oddball667 → u/Lugh_Intueri]

you gonna read more then the first few words of what he said?

[u/Lugh_Intueri → u/oddball667]

I will talk to them directly. But thanks for trying

[u/Old-Nefariousness556 → u/Lugh_Intueri]

I will talk to them directly. But thanks for trying

Reddit is a public forum. If you post here, you don't get to assume one on one discussions. Why are you afraid of interacting with the point that /u/oddball667 made?

[u/Lugh_Intueri → u/Old-Nefariousness556]

I responded to them. Thanks for reaching out

[u/Old-Nefariousness556 → u/Lugh_Intueri]

You literally responded by saying you wouldn't respond... Not exactly a good faith debate.

[u/soilbuilder → u/Lugh_Intueri]

you blocked them. how can you talk directly to them if you block them?

[u/Zixarr → u/soilbuilder]

The same way the elephants organized their annual wake

[u/soilbuilder → u/Zixarr]

you made me snort water out of my nose!