r/DebateAnAtheist • u/efilist_sentientist • Sep 23 '24

Shouldn't atheists refuse meaning in life and accept its inherently bad ? Philosophy

Atheism arises from rationality i.e logic. If God doesn't exist (obviously doesn't) then you can't say there is a grand plan ! Existence is just pointless. In a pointless existence we have wars, crimes, predation, natural disasters, torture, exploitation and slavery, accidents, diseases and many more inevitable sufferings going on. Nobody can stop these these are inevitable.

Can you deny these facts ? If not then the only rational solution for existence is extinctionism. Extinction of all conscious sentient living beings. As rationalists you must agree to that ?

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u/pick_up_a_brick Atheist Sep 23 '24

If God doesn’t exist (obviously doesn’t) then you can’t say there is a grand plan ! Existence is just pointless.

That doesn’t follow.

In a pointless existence we have wars, crimes, predation, natural disasters, torture, exploitation and slavery, accidents, diseases and many more inevitable sufferings going on. Nobody can stop these these are inevitable.

We also have peace, charity, music, poetry, life, love, art, math, comedy, family, medicine, sports, games, natural wonders and so on.

Can you deny these facts ?

I deny that they are relevant to the next sentence.

If not then the only rational solution for existence is extinctionism. Extinction of consciousness living beings.

Yeah that doesn’t follow. That’s just some lame ass BBEG motivation trope.

As rationalists you must agree to that ?

No. What is a rationalist? If you aren’t a rationalist are you an irrationalist or something?

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u/Steve_Max_Aditya Sep 23 '24

Someone should suffer first for us to give charity. Some war should arise for us to enjoy peace. But if we don't exist we simply don't want both. Poetry can't justify rap*s comedy can't justify natural disasters. Arts and math can't justify starvation ! Medicine can't justify diseases that's precisely my point prevention is better than cure !

I'm rationalist atheist. Look below one of your fellow atheist says atheism can coexist with irrationality 🤣🤣

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u/JasonRBoone Agnostic Atheist Sep 23 '24

You are the OPs sock puppet.

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u/pick_up_a_brick Atheist Sep 23 '24

What does any of that have to do with my comment?

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u/Steve_Max_Aditya Sep 23 '24

Also let me know if ur ready for a YouTube based live debate with me on "Atheists (who subscribe to rationality) must be extinctionist".

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u/pick_up_a_brick Atheist Sep 23 '24

Just present the argument here.

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u/Steve_Max_Aditya Sep 23 '24

You said positives as a justification for negatives right ?

there is also positives argument

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u/pick_up_a_brick Atheist Sep 23 '24

No, I’m not saying the positives “justify” the negatives. Why on earth would you think that? I’m just saying that all of these things do exist, and that a “pointless existence” also means we have all of these other things, not just the negatives. So nothing turns on whether existence is “pointless” or not in terms of phenomena that exist.

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u/Steve_Max_Aditya Sep 23 '24

My point is existence of positives cannot be used to justify existence of negatives.

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u/pick_up_a_brick Atheist Sep 23 '24

I never said they did. I don’t understand what that has to do with my comment.

Look, in World 1, we have no god. Let’s say I grant that this means existence is inherently pointless. In this world we have all of the positives and negatives described above.

In World 2, god exists, and magically makes it so that existence is not pointless. We have all of the positives and negatives listed above.

It’s a non-sequiter. Nothing turns on it.