Musk Critics Including Laura Loomer Claim Censorship on X, Loss of X Badges

[u/Doctor_Byronic]

https://www.cf.org/news/musk-critics-including-laura-loomer-claim-censorship-on-x-loss-of-x-badges/

[u/Running_Gamer]

MUH GOLD STANDARD

Except you can’t make the assumption that the costs remain fixed over time. You also can’t measure the costs of immigration based on dollars alone. The study falls into the economist trap that they think they can quantify the costs of everything. How the hell can you calculate the costs of someone’s entire life three generations down the line? It’s not possible.

[u/DownrightCaterpillar → u/Running_Gamer]

How the hell can you calculate the costs of someone’s entire life three generations down the line? It’s not possible.

It's kind of funny that you said this, let's see where our conversation began:

So it costs money to educate children who will likely serve the nation’s interest extraordinarily well?

How exactly did you calculate this? Or in other words, why do you think it's true? Explain without anecdotes.

[u/Running_Gamer → u/DownrightCaterpillar]

I can calculate this because you just calculate the cost of hiring a teacher and the resources needed to fund an ESL class. If the class is successful, you’ve educated people who will now contribute many times the cost of the ESL class into society. Fair assumption to make, considering that an ESL’s class’s costs are spread among multiple people over the course of many years.

[u/DownrightCaterpillar → u/Running_Gamer]

But they also consume the cost of the rest of public education as well. Their parents need to pay more money back over their lifetime to compensate for the cost of educating their children, which is more expensive than that of a native. And the reality is 1st gen immigrants don't make more money than natives, yet have more expensive children.

[u/Running_Gamer → u/DownrightCaterpillar]

What are you talking about? Yes. It costs money to educate people. It also costs more money educate special ed kids who end up being minimum wage workers their entire lives. It also costs money to educate kids who end up dropping out and becoming gang members. Should we not provide education in low income areas? Should we not provide education to the mentally disabled?

Who cares if it’s more expensive, sometimes, to educate immigrant children when those children (who are usually citizens anyway so it shouldn’t matter) still end up contributing to society in just as much?

Like I said. Congrats, you found out that it costs money to educate kids.

[u/DownrightCaterpillar → u/Running_Gamer]

It also costs more money educate special ed kids who end up being minimum wage workers their entire lives. It also costs money to educate kids who end up dropping out and becoming gang members. Should we not provide education in low income areas? Should we not provide education to the mentally disabled?

Of course we should educate them. The government, local, state, and federal, has a moral, constitutional, and of course statutory obligation to provide an education to every American. Not every foreigner, thank goodness! What a disaster that would be. Imagine educating the special ed children of the world; how expensive! And I'm sure every American rejects that idea.

Yet, would Americans reject the noble and charitable notion of educating all of the special ed cases of the world if... we could house them and educate them without injuring the educational progress of Americans, and without incurring a net burden on society? I think opposition to educating all special ed children on planet earth would be quite low if it weren't for the problems it would cause for Americans.

Which brings us to why immigrant families are such a problem; they are a net negative for an entire generation, and can't become significantly net-positive until the 3rd generation. Which is why anybody who's read about the topic, and is concerned about their fiscal impacts and the tax dollars available to solve native-born Americans' problems, supports an immigration moratorium.

[u/Running_Gamer → u/DownrightCaterpillar]

Wrong. It is unconstitutional for a state government to refuse public education to even children of illegal immigrants.

You can keep making things up about immigration not being profitable until the third generation. No matter what you say, you can’t use a Time Machine to predict how the world will look three generations from now. If you think you can, go invest in the stock market.

[u/DownrightCaterpillar → u/Running_Gamer]

I never said anything about refusing to educate the children of people already here.I said there should be an immigration moratorium, thus preventing people from bringing their net costly children here.

It is perfectly constitutional and well within the powers of the executive branch to deny entry to anyone. That is at their discretion per Arizona v. United States

The Federal Government’s broad, undoubted power over immigration and alien status rests, in part, on its constitutional power to “establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” Art. I, §8, cl. 4, and on its inherent sovereign power to control and conduct foreign relations, see Toll v. Moreno, 458 U. S. 1, 10. Federal governance is extensive and complex. Among other things, federal law specifies categories of aliens who are ineligible to be admitted to the United States, 8 U. S. C. §1182... and specifies which aliens may be removed and the procedures for doing so, see §1227.

So, yes, while the government has the obligation to provide such a illegal alien with an education given they're under a certain age threshold, they can also prevent their entry or remove said alien to their home country, and thus cease providing them with an education. Nice try though.