Musk Critics Including Laura Loomer Claim Censorship on X, Loss of X Badges

[u/Doctor_Byronic]

https://www.cf.org/news/musk-critics-including-laura-loomer-claim-censorship-on-x-loss-of-x-badges/

[u/37-19]

I'm curious if Trump has said anything about all this? I read Elon's comments on Twitter and it definitely sounded like he is gung-ho in support of importing more immigrants to boost his bottom line.

[u/DownrightCaterpillar → u/37-19]

That's explicitly what he's saying, you don't even have to read into it. He said this a year ago and still believes it today: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1728140125299720560

We should greatly increase legal immigration of anyone who is hard-working, honest and loves America. Every such person is an asset to the country. But massive illegal immigration of people we know nothing about is insane.

Now, for the reality of "hard-working" and "honest" people (do we test for honesty before granting work visa? No, we don't.):

Under the strictest set of assumptions, in which all costs of public education fall on the parents of those being educated and in which the cost of public goods are shared across the population equally, first generation independent person units are estimated to be the most costly relative to second and third-plus generation units. For the 2011-2013 period, first generation independent person units incurred a net cost on average of $1,600 per unit per year, compared to a net benefit of $1,700 for second generation independent person units and $1,300 for third-plus generation units.

So, the 1st generation (i.e. the new immigrants Elon wants to bring over) are a net loss for local and state governments, largely because of the cost of educating their children. And they're disproportionately likely to have children.

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Those arriving after age 21 also typically do not add to the largest state and local cost of immigration—the cost of public education in the receiving country—although their children will.

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When a population is disproportionately of working ages, and therefore paying taxes and creating a positive fiscal impact, they are also likely to be disproportionately parents of children creating a fiscal negative, primarily in the form of public education costs. As shown below, this demographic characterization accurately describes first generation immigrants for the 1994-2013 period.

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Sometimes key pieces of information cannot be gleaned from household surveys. An example, used in the estimation of state and local fiscal impacts, is the cost of bilingual education and of educating students for whom English is a second language (not necessarily in a bilingual education program). The costs of such programs cannot be estimated from a household survey because they are incurred by schools, not parents.

So apparently, immigrant children are more expensive to educate than American children, but we don't know how much. 😬😬😬 So this cost analysis also doesn't account for the fact that the education (the largest public expenditure) is higher for immigrant kids. Thus meaning that the above net cost/profit analysis (1st gen: -1,600, 2nd gen +1,700, 3rd gen: + 1300) is wrong for the 1st gen; necessarily they are more expensive due to ESL costs.

I also wonder where they're getting their numbers for educational costs; for example, here's what Table 9-5 on page 401 says for California:

TABLE 9-5 State and Local Expenditures per Independent Person Unit (rounded to nearest $50), by Immigrant Generation by State, 2011-2013
Immigrant Generation Difference: First California: $17,650

This represents pure cost, not net cost or profit. Here is what we annually spend in California, per pupil, for one public school student: $19,548. California's state and local share of that is ~90.5% (since a bit less than 10% of it is funded by the federal govt). How on earth California spends ~$16k per person, including all costs, yet each person costs only about $3,500 more than that, is inexplicable.

[u/Running_Gamer → u/DownrightCaterpillar]

So it costs money to educate children who will likely serve the nation’s interest extraordinarily well? Where is the issue?

[u/DownrightCaterpillar → u/Running_Gamer]

who will likely serve the nation’s interest extraordinarily well? Where is the issue? 

The issue is the lie that you're spreading. Most of these 2nd generation immigrant households barely erase the debt that they imposed on society as children. And when you realize that the estimates we have don't account for the extra cost of providing them ESL classes, you'll realize that they don't even cover the costs of their own education.

[u/Running_Gamer → u/DownrightCaterpillar]

Congratulations for discovering that educating new workers costs money.

People over the course of their life obviously build more wealth and contribute more to society than any ESL education costs. You’re also acting like the HB1 immigrants somehow don’t already speak English. I live in a town where a significant part of the population are second generation Indian children. Their parents knew at least some English when they got here and their children are all fluent and barely needed ESL. The majority of them are at good universities and on their way to contributing to society. The cost of educating them in English was virtually zero. Their parents have to know English to work here. How the hell are you working at an American company at a high level and not know English? It doesn’t exist. Their children are taught English by the parents and if they need supplementary ESL classes, it will only be necessary for a year or two.

[u/GeorgeWashingfun → u/Running_Gamer]

The point is we've already got plenty of American citizens we could spend that money on educating. We don't need to import a bunch of foreigners that destroy our culture.

[u/Running_Gamer → u/GeorgeWashingfun]

And how do foreigners necessarily destroy our culture? Where are all these immigrants destroying our culture with their hard work and overwhelming academic and professional success? Does anyone ever complain about east or south Asian immigrants destroying our culture? Chinese, Korean, and Japanese people have been a part of America for a long time now. They’ve contributed to the country greatly and our culture is still intact. If we were talking about importing exclusively extremist Muslims, I would agree with you. But east and south Asian immigrants have historically not threatened the country at all.

And of course we should invest in Americans first. But right now, the left has supported a culture of mediocrity and DEI for so long that our education in this country is abysmal. And it doesn’t help with MAGA’s hatred for college despite its necessity for success in the white collar world. Since we don’t have enough educated people right now because the left loves DEI and conservatives abandoned our institutions of meritocracy, we have shitty gender theory graduates contributing no skills to the world and immigrants with those skills who are willing to contribute them and add to our society. Why would America not jump at the opportunity to correct our deficiencies while healing the wound caused by the abuse of our country’s institutions of meritocracy and social mobility?

[u/GeorgeWashingfun → u/Running_Gamer]

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