Ai detectors suck

[u/Prs8863765]

Me and my Tutor worked on the whole essay and my teacher also helped me with it. I never even used AI. All of my friends and this class all used AI and guess what I’m the only one who got a zero. I just put my essay into multiple detectors and four out of five say 90% + human and the other one says 90% AI.

[u/Awkward_Wolverine]

This is the equivalent "you won't have a calculator with you when you get older" Gonna be an interesting future

[u/on_off_on_again → u/Awkward_Wolverine]

Well, that IS how it should be treated. Elementary aged students have no business using calculators. They should master the basics. Once they move on to more advanced math where basic addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division is just busy work in solving more advanced equations? Then sure, makes sense to use calculators.

Similarly, elementary school students have no business using Grammarly. They need to master the basics when all they do is write single sentences or single paragraphs. Once they have assignments involving lengthy essays? Sure, have an editor.

ChatGPT? Idk, I imagine it's probably best to view it the same way. Once basics are mastered, students should be able to use it. Probably collegiate level only. MAYBE high school seniors.

[u/Little-Plankton-3410 → u/on_off_on_again]

Disagree. I wrote a novel is 7th grade and I I could do complex calculus in my head (when I was younger anyway. not sure about now). All you accomplish by forcing me to not use tools is forcing me to pay attention to the less important repetitive calculation or task instead of the task the calculation is in service of. you increase my cognitive load by filling my brain with the less meaningful part of the problem.

sure, not everyone is me but i think this observation scales down. if your test or assignment is effective, someone who lacks understanding won't be able to use the tool to be successful. and if someone clever can reach understanding quickly using the tool enduring the course of the assignment or test (which i did a lot, going in blind to open book exams), well, maybe the coursework is a waste of their time.

[u/on_off_on_again → u/Little-Plankton-3410]

If you could do complex calculus in your head then you should be well aware that you need to understand basic math in order to do intermediate math in order to do advanced math.

If kids aren't able to wrap their head around addition, they won't be able to wrap their head around order of operations. If they don't understand order of operations, they won't be doing algebra or higher.

If you don't force kids to learn addition then they won't be able to do more advanced calculations. Which, irl, you don't normally need to do even basic calculations, let alone advanced ones.

BUT

You need to understand them conceptually, just to be able to manage finances.

[u/Little-Plankton-3410 → u/on_off_on_again]

agree to disagree. i never learned a damn thing from mass class. it was all pretty obvious up through fairly advanced differential equations. i programmed a calculator that was feature equivalent to a ti-92 (the calculator that could do a 3d graphing a solve caluculus through brute force, mostly). i am fairly sure i was helped zero percent by slavishly writing down steps that i could do in my head in half a second. i think other people appear to be helped by such nonsense only because you have trained them to focus on and be judged on the wrong thing.

i dont recall having to show my math on the sat which was actually important. only reason showing my work was important in my classes was because people like you decided it was important.