r/ChatGPT • u/Prs8863765 • 25d ago

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Me and my Tutor worked on the whole essay and my teacher also helped me with it. I never even used AI. All of my friends and this class all used AI and guess what I’m the only one who got a zero. I just put my essay into multiple detectors and four out of five say 90% + human and the other one says 90% AI.

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u/H3CKER7 24d ago

That's actually bs. I doubt there'd be an easy way to change the teachers mind though

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u/H3CKER7 24d ago

You could try uploading an essay made before ai became publicly available to see if its flagged and give that as evidence*

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u/thehomienova 24d ago

this would be the way to go, proves that ai detection is bullshit

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u/RhetoricalOrator 24d ago

That's a move that requires high confidence of success or else it could end up inadvertently confirming the teacher's suspicions. Last thing the student needs is for the teacher to run their master's thesis through and get a negative confirmation, affirming the teacher's opinions on detectors.

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u/Blackpixels 24d ago

Gotta test it yourself on GPTZero first, or pay for Turnitin if that's what the school is using

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u/balacio 24d ago

Just generated a 1000 character long text on chatgpt, edited it quickly, uploaded it to gptzero. Results: We are highly confident this text is entirely human 7% Probability AI generated. smh

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u/smurferdigg 24d ago

That's some of the problem. Some detectors will of them show 90% ai some 0% and some can't even detect AI? Like what's the point. The whole thing is totally random and should never be used until they actually work 100%.

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u/Whamburgwr 24d ago

They are NEVER going to work because both AI and humans are capable of writing in any style imaginable. The entire concept of an “AI detector” is laughable, and the fact that they exist is a huge injustice to students (even more so than AI is to teachers). Even a .01 difference in GPA can cause one college applicant gets chosen over another, not to mention all of the other negative impacts false accusations of this kind can cause.

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u/throwawayreddit48151 24d ago

yeah, these "AI detection" tools should be made illegal by at best all universities and failing that by government. They are clearly never capable of being 100% accurate.

Similarity detection which was used a lot before AI became a thing was reasonable. But this is just silly.

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u/GreenTeaBD 24d ago

We had students panicking because quillbot was showing their essays were AI generated. In one case I knew beyond a doubt that the text was not AI generated because I had seen the draft that had the type of errors an ESL student would make, not to talk down on her writing, it was actually very good. That draft wasn't detected as AI. When she implemented my notes it suddenly became AI. I didn't use AI to write my notes lol.

I submitted it to turnitin for her which thankfully didn't detect it as AI. It was, like you said, one of those 90% in one detector 0% in the other situations. I would have just said "it's not AI, I know this, don't worry about it" but I don't have a choice because I'm not the one ultimately scanning all these essays.

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u/Tricky_Garbage5572 24d ago

I ran a test and both gptzero and turnitin will give 7% 73.4% of the time. I used 500, 1000 word ai written texts

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u/Infection556 24d ago

Doesn’t the constitution come up as AI generated?

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u/anotherfrud 24d ago

I had to do a 25-page paper in college. Graduated a few years ago before GPT. I pasted into an AI detector and got an 85% AI written.

Either the detector is flawed, or I just found out I'm an AI.

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u/Baleox1090 24d ago

Im sure most of us are

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u/Legion2481 24d ago

Meat robots all of us.

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u/ISpeechGoodEngland 24d ago

No, that just proves the AI detectors aren't accurate, not that the work isn't AI.

The actual way to prove it is to show the Google docs or word version history of it being written. It's 100% foolproof way to clear your name.

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u/H3CKER7 24d ago

Right, because if a tool is non trust worthy, a teacher would use it to grade?

And gdoc history can be faked by simply copy pasting ai text over a few days anyways. (Or just typing it word for word)

Edit : https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/s/VyP4vUwCVz https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/s/hYvjQ8FkaJ

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u/MarinLlwyd 24d ago

That does nothing to prove that you submitted your own work.

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u/Jan0y_Cresva 24d ago

Yes, but if you have a “red ball detector” that sets off an alarm when a red ball passes through it, and is advertised to only go off when a red ball goes through, and you show the alarm going off when you roll a blue ball through it, you undermine trust in the detector. Which helps your case.

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u/H3CKER7 24d ago

if it scores 100% A.I. the tool would be no longer trustworthy enough to use on a student's paper...

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u/MarinLlwyd 24d ago

Showing them that it can flag other things as fake doesn't do much because they might not understand or even care how it works. The program said you cheated, and that's the only thing they care about. You have to show them that you specifically did not cheat. Also, if they helped with the assignment and still confidently claimed it was faked, there is a very real chance they aren't acting in good faith.

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u/H3CKER7 24d ago

Then they shouldn't be using it.

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u/roxby20 24d ago

find the teachers old papers and show they are all AI generated too

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u/JasonP27 22d ago

"I'm sorry, Professor, but I'm gonna have to tell the school you used AI to get the job."

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u/MattTruelove 24d ago

This is the best idea in the whole thread.

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u/Archy54 24d ago

Then report them to the head boss

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u/Ugly_Bones 23d ago

I just ran the Gettysburg Address through an AI detector and it came back as 100% AI generated.

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u/Isburough 24d ago

test anything the teacher ever wrote.

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u/Brainsenhh 24d ago

That's bad advice. Don't threaten with legal action regarding a school paper. No one likes treats and everyone knows it is an empty treat.

Talk to your teacher. Have s.o. you trust present. Show the other AI Tools. Have a statement by your tutor ready that he worked with you on the project. Show earlier versions of the essay.

Your teacher doesn't seem too bad. He gave you the opportunity to rewrite even though he is convinced you used AI.