r/ChatGPT • u/Prs8863765 • 24d ago
Ai detectors suck Other
Me and my Tutor worked on the whole essay and my teacher also helped me with it. I never even used AI. All of my friends and this class all used AI and guess what I’m the only one who got a zero. I just put my essay into multiple detectors and four out of five say 90% + human and the other one says 90% AI.
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u/Fit-Refrigerator5606 24d ago
If you used Word or google docs, you can probably clear your name by showing your teacher the version history, no? Assuming you wrote it without AI
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u/Brnny202 24d ago
This should be higher. You said you had a tutor. Did you email or text them? You have evidence. Fight.
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u/lippoper 24d ago
The name of his tutor is ChatGPT 🤣😂
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u/jib_reddit 23d ago
I know lots of teachers and they are all using ChatGPT to grade assignments quickly , hypocrites.
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u/everysaturday 24d ago
I'll bet a testicle this ends up going two ways in the near future.
A family with sue a school, and rightly so, for falsely accusing a kid of plagiarism and the ruling with be with the family setting a precedent.
Some poor kid is going to commit suicide because they've been acused of something they didn't do.
On point two, i'm not an angry person, the complete opposite but I swear to whatever deity there is out that if it my kid was accused of doing something they didn't do, it's my red line and i'll be the first person to mortgage everything I own to sue the shit out of the school that made the accusation.
What a horse shit part of existence where the people teaching our kids use AI to detect AI and complain our kids use AI.
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u/sortofhappyish 24d ago
for the last time sir, please STOP betting your testicles.
It's upsetting the other guests AND slapping them on the table keeps blocking the roulette wheel.
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u/everysaturday 24d ago
Hahaha. Never. I don't want more kids so I'm hoping these things come true, like, tomorrow
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u/Awkward_Wolverine 24d ago
This is the equivalent "you won't have a calculator with you when you get older" Gonna be an interesting future
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u/on_off_on_again 24d ago
Well, that IS how it should be treated. Elementary aged students have no business using calculators. They should master the basics. Once they move on to more advanced math where basic addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division is just busy work in solving more advanced equations? Then sure, makes sense to use calculators.
Similarly, elementary school students have no business using Grammarly. They need to master the basics when all they do is write single sentences or single paragraphs. Once they have assignments involving lengthy essays? Sure, have an editor.
ChatGPT? Idk, I imagine it's probably best to view it the same way. Once basics are mastered, students should be able to use it. Probably collegiate level only. MAYBE high school seniors.
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u/IfImhappyyourehappy 24d ago
Intelligence isn't hindered through the use of tools. It's how society handles the tool. Chatgpt is a much better teacher than my teacher is
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u/Apprehensive-Let3348 23d ago edited 23d ago
True, but if you don't understand how the tool functions, then you will never achieve any level of mastery.
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u/AdhesiveSeaMonkey 23d ago
I teach high school math and I have my students do matrices by hand before they ever touch a calculator. They gain an understanding of the process that gives them greater insight into what is actually happening and when it is a valuable tool to use vs. some other process.
People seem to lose track of the idea that high school is really about learning how to learn, problem-solving, and developing critical thinking, not necessarily about the utility of that particular subject or material.
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u/ApplePearCherry 23d ago
I agree that is how it should be. Learn before reliance.
However the line "you won't have a calculator on your pocket" has not aged well.
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u/TheBestCloutMachine 23d ago
This is what annoys me. No matter what your feelings on AI are, it's not going anywhere. In fact, it's only going to get better and more prominent in society. Adapt or perish, right? Why aren't we teaching kids how to use these tools, how to analyse the output to check for mistakes and develop critical thinking skills, how to make more efficient use of their time. Nah, instead we'll just have a moral panic and use AI to try and detect a sniff of AI because AI is bad.
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u/say592 23d ago
Not only were those assholes wrong, I now have a calculator that I can just show a picture of a problem (or it will live view with me camera) and it will solve it AND show all of the steps.
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u/BeeBench 24d ago
I’ve had teachers even warn us about using the app grammarly as AI detectors will even ping that as well, and it’s only there to help your grammar, spelling, and tone.
And most schools have a very strict 0 tolerance policy.
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u/polybium 24d ago
I use AI (Anthropic) to write a lot of my emails (and then I fine tune and edit them so they sound more like me). These AI detectors are bullshit.
Once I put an email through one of those scanners (GPT Zero) that was totally AI written and it said it was likely human. Then, I put through an email I had written without AI help and it flagged it as AI. Totally useless and I have no idea how universities and schools are being scammed so hard by these companies.
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u/MisterProfGuy 23d ago
As an academic with a background in technical writing, I got flagged for AI, especially with early detectors. When I asked ChatGPT to explain why, it would say that I used a lot of precise grammar and commonly used AI words. They are commonly used because large language models included a lot of textbooks and academic papers in their training sets.
They trained it to write like I do.
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u/newfor2023 23d ago
This looks correctly written, you must have cheated!
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u/sharpie42one 23d ago
Too many correct spellings, proper punctuation, and tone. AI DETECTED beep boop. 0%. Please. rewrite. for. a new. grade.
Thank you for using AI teacher 👩🏫 see you in class tomorrow.
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u/Duranis 23d ago
The whole education sector is full of overpriced bullshit.
Have an online service that normally costs £2k a year?
Strip out most of the functionally, market it as the latest educational tool and slap a £5k price tag on it. Once you get a couple of schools using it all the rest will jump on it.
The reason why they are all so keen to jump on it? Their current solution is crap because it was overpriced/under developed junk that they only bought because the other local schools had started using it.
And so the cycle continues......
Nobody in education knows what the fuck to do about AI. If someone comes along and promises a solution for a special introductional price they are going to jump on it and tick off the "AI problem" as being solved.
Doesn't matter if it works, next year at renewal they will replace it with a different version that claims to fix all the problems but is just the same shit with a slightly different UI.
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u/sortofhappyish 24d ago
the scanners don't use actual code to sense AI, its just a list of words that people rarely use. thats it.
basically ctrl+F for the whole text
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u/GreenTeaBD 23d ago
That is absolutely not how they work.
They measure the perplexity (and some other things, but that's the main one) of a text, basically how predictable it is by an AI with the logic being if the AI can predict the next word then an AI could have written it. This is true to some extent, AI generated text does have low perplexity.
The flaw here is that perplexity isn't a measure of how good or bad or even human a piece of writing is. Plenty of people write in a way that is low perplexity, especially non-native English writers as they're generally working with a smaller subset of grammatical structures and vocabulary.
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u/ExclusiveAnd 24d ago
Noted: using correct grammar, spelling, and tone from the get-go means that you are AI.
I seriously wonder about MS Word’s blue squiggly underline thing that advises me to remove commas in some places and add them in others.
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u/rocketcitythor72 23d ago
"using correct grammar, spelling, and tone"
It's true.
I had a paper get flagged as AI-generated last semester, and I wrote the teacher and told her I'd written the entire thing stream-of-consciousness, and explained that I worked as an ad/copy writer in TV for like 15 years, and that I'm just a pretty solid writer.
I wouldn't use AI even if it was allowed. To me, it too often reads like those people who over-write trying to sound erudite & professorial.
It's perfectly serviceable, but it has no spark... none of the unique insights or sharp turns of phrase that really catch people.
She basically replied "okay, thanks. It's clear the work is your own."
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u/Naus1987 24d ago
I actually don’t use Grammarly because it changes my tone. Tone is what makes something human. It’s the part that’s hard to replicate.
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u/THroWWWayNumber5 23d ago
Our programming teachers put our code into AI detectors and they're ALL always flagged as AI generated for reasons like "no weird spaces anywhere" and "declared variables have no spelling errors." Like, I'm sorry I'm a competent human being 😭
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u/rootbeerman77 23d ago
working code
declared variables have no spelling errors
Conclusion: All compilable code is AI-generated
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u/everysaturday 24d ago
I also mentor students studying at AI at University that were warned not to use AI on their work. World's gone mad.
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u/KetoBob13 24d ago
Don’t forget all the lesson plans the teacher plagiarize.
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u/on_off_on_again 24d ago
Don't forget the actual classwork review completed by AI.
So I'm in IT, and I do work for this school. Recently they requested I disable Grammarly because they don't want kids being able to use some new AI feature built in.
But they made it VERY clear they did not want the faculty to lose access.
The fuck? For context, this is 1-8. So... why would teachers even need Grammarly? Isn't it their job to, y'know- know grammar. So they can, y'know- teach it? But they've been outsourcing that effort to Grammarly for years. I guess just now some new feature crossed a line... again, just for the students.
Ftr, I get emails from faculty and they all suck at spelling and grammar. Out of all my clients, they are among the least coherent in their correspondence.
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u/Mental_Ask45 24d ago
The Simpsons S03E08 "Separate Vocations" "She (Lisa) secretly steals all of the Teachers' Editions of the schoolbooks from the other teachers and hides them in her locker. After closing it, Lisa walks away snickering in victory knowing the disaster that will unfold."
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u/Jan0y_Cresva 24d ago
Teacher might still accuse the student of copy-pasting the essay chunk-by-chunk over time from the AI output into the word doc.
It sucks, but once a teacher is convinced of cheating, it can be hard to prove the opposite. I’m actually a teacher myself and I constantly educate my fellow teachers about how terribly inaccurate “AI detectors” are, and I encourage them to assign work differently or find other ways to detect cheating.
The sad truth is that many teachers are just pissed that the advent of generative AI has made it so they can’t just lazily keep using the same curriculum they’ve used for the past 20 years, and they have to get creative now in assigning work that can’t be done by AI (ie. in-class hand-written assignments with phones locked up, etc.)
I’m a younger teacher so I’m not pissed about AI. Just like math teachers a generation ago had to find a way to update their curriculum to include the advent of every student having a calculator, I think teachers should accept that AI is here to stay and only getting better. So we should be teaching students how to critically think and problem solve in a world WITH AI, not sticking our heads in the sand and pretending it’s not there. You have to get creative.
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u/Technobilby 24d ago
We've had a committee created to explore the question and the conclusion was the same. AI detection is a waste of money and will be obsolete in another iteration or two. When a family comes in screaming 'false positive' the school isn't going to have a leg to stand on. The curriculum has to adapt to the new reality and the math/calculator example is exactly the same one we went to.
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u/nboro94 24d ago
Some students are just much better writers than what is normal from their peers. Just like some students are just naturally much better at math or art than their peers. Sad to see now that they will just be accused of "cheating with AI" instead of being mentored and encouraged to continue developing their talent.
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u/mjm65 24d ago
I could see how overachieving students will end up emulating AI syntax and style just because it’s something that they are going to read frequently.
Big difference between asking AI “how do I be a better writer” vs “summarize hamlet into 500 words at a 9th grade level”
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u/ConstableDiffusion 24d ago
Run it though a few iterations.
“10th grade level, random insertions of passive voice and mixed tenses.”
output
“Ok good, now make it more wandering and less concise. “
output “ok good now remove all commons and place them randomly throughout the paper and conclude with a a conclusion that starts with “in conclusion” and adds new points that haven’t been supported”
Congrats you have a C+ paper that won’t get flagged by AI
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u/sleepy0329 24d ago
C+'s get Degrees+'s
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u/CivilRuin4111 23d ago
I like the version that goes
"What do you call a guy who got all D's in med school? Doctor."
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On my "public facing" social media I'm always kind and considerate and it hits me how much it makes me sound like chatgpt, soon being kind might be enough to have people accuse you of being a robot. Maybe that's what the new American politics is about, making sure the government can't be infiltrated by robots
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u/dannys4242 24d ago
In my junior high computer class many many years ago, I turned in a paper, and the teacher made a comment that it sounded like a computer manual. She gave me an okay grade, but I was never quite sure if it was actually a compliment or a criticism. Considering I did read computer manuals for pleasure at the time, I took it as a compliment.
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u/sortofhappyish 24d ago
In the teachers defence it was sex ed.
chapter one. Turning on the subject
Insert a finger into slot A and press the button for 5seconds
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u/spidaminida 24d ago edited 24d ago
Can't prove AI didn't write it because you can't prove a negative. Also the possibilities of AI are boundless. It will change everything, especially learning, and the sooner we integrate it the better. Be brave, new world!
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u/BackToWorkEdward 24d ago
Can't prove AI didn't write it because you can't prove a negative. Also the possibilities of AI are boundless. It will change everything, especially learning, and the sooner we integrate it the better. Be brave, new world!
Yeah, we're getting pretty close to the point where the only difference between AI writing a paper for you and a parent/smarter friend/hired internet rando doing it is that everyone will have access to the former for free, instead of kids only having those resources at random.
Not sure what the solution will be here other than the end of all unsupervised take-home assignments. Which would honestly be just fine.
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u/Potential_Ice4388 24d ago
Wouldn’t you have to explicitly turn version control/history on?
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u/FrailCriminal 24d ago
Take a piece of writing you know the professor has written (or from a textbook) and ask to to run it through the AI detector in front of them.
These things are so inconsistent and don't actually work. Hopefully, your professor will understand
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u/Ok-Ocelot-3454 24d ago
or some very common piece of writing such as the declaration of independence (which i think flags as 100% ai pretty consistently)
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u/LinqLover 24d ago
GPTZero: Declaration of Independence is 7% AI. Nonetheless these tools are stupid. OpenAI has terminated their own AI detector project for a reason.
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u/groovy_smoothie 23d ago
What’s funny is there are a few dog whistles for ai generated text, but the ai detectors don’t seem to pickup on this
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u/fomepizole_exorcist 23d ago
Would you say the dog whistles foster a sense of suspicion
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u/GreenTeaBD 23d ago
This might work because people misunderstand it, and AI detectors dont work, but it's really not a good example in reality.
AI detectors flag things like that because the models themselves are overfit on those examples. AI detection "works" (not really for tons of reasons) by how predictable each word is by the model. Can it autocomplete the same exact text basically.
Since the models were trained on so many copies of things like the Declaration of Independence they can predict it perfectly, hence, AI.
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u/justaRndy 24d ago
"I am offering you a chance to rewrite it in my presence after school this before school"
Teacher could surely profit from some AI assistance.
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u/R0GUEL0KI 23d ago
Also if you use different websites you get different results. I ran the same 2 paragraphs and got 0% on grammarly and 100% on quillbot. This on something I wrote 100% myself.
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u/H3CKER7 24d ago
That's actually bs. I doubt there'd be an easy way to change the teachers mind though
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u/H3CKER7 24d ago
You could try uploading an essay made before ai became publicly available to see if its flagged and give that as evidence*
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u/thehomienova 24d ago
this would be the way to go, proves that ai detection is bullshit
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u/RhetoricalOrator 24d ago
That's a move that requires high confidence of success or else it could end up inadvertently confirming the teacher's suspicions. Last thing the student needs is for the teacher to run their master's thesis through and get a negative confirmation, affirming the teacher's opinions on detectors.
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u/Blackpixels 24d ago
Gotta test it yourself on GPTZero first, or pay for Turnitin if that's what the school is using
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u/balacio 24d ago
Just generated a 1000 character long text on chatgpt, edited it quickly, uploaded it to gptzero. Results: We are highly confident this text is entirely human 7% Probability AI generated. smh
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u/smurferdigg 24d ago
That's some of the problem. Some detectors will of them show 90% ai some 0% and some can't even detect AI? Like what's the point. The whole thing is totally random and should never be used until they actually work 100%.
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u/Whamburgwr 24d ago
They are NEVER going to work because both AI and humans are capable of writing in any style imaginable. The entire concept of an “AI detector” is laughable, and the fact that they exist is a huge injustice to students (even more so than AI is to teachers). Even a .01 difference in GPA can cause one college applicant gets chosen over another, not to mention all of the other negative impacts false accusations of this kind can cause.
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u/throwawayreddit48151 23d ago
yeah, these "AI detection" tools should be made illegal by at best all universities and failing that by government. They are clearly never capable of being 100% accurate.
Similarity detection which was used a lot before AI became a thing was reasonable. But this is just silly.
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u/anotherfrud 24d ago
I had to do a 25-page paper in college. Graduated a few years ago before GPT. I pasted into an AI detector and got an 85% AI written.
Either the detector is flawed, or I just found out I'm an AI.
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u/roxby20 24d ago
find the teachers old papers and show they are all AI generated too
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u/DjawnBrowne 24d ago
HS teacher here — these detectors DO NOT WORK to the degree that a teacher can hold you to the results of them, go above this teacher’s head ASAP, they will NOT win this battle with admin.
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u/DADNutz 23d ago
HS teacher here as well
If you monitor them throughout the writing process, you won’t need an AI generator.
How, you ask?
Discuss the topic… Help craft an outline with the class…. Monitor their rough drafts…. Revise the rough draft with them…
By time final draft due date comes, have them make a portfolio with their notes from the discussion, their outline, their rough drafts w/ revisions.
They don’t need AI and you don’t need a AI detector.
Everyone wins.
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u/TheGalator 23d ago
No no no you suddenly drop it on them at the end of class on Friday to do till Monday all on their own and then use ai so you have to work less while making kids come to school earlier because your ai told you they used ai
Rookie mistake
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24d ago
Don’t take that lying down. Everyone has a boss. Be a Karen, fuck ‘em.
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u/butters106 24d ago
Fr, I’d be showing up to a meeting with a lawyer that specializes in slander/libel. Being accused of cheating is not a joke and can have serious financial consequences. The school/instructor probably doesn’t want to be arguing their case before a judge.
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u/waynemr 24d ago
Smash them in the face with facts.
At a high level, detectors function on a kind of watermarking that is not an industry standard or universally applied, further its extremely easy to to prompt a model to abandon its form and any watermarks it has. Finally most pattern matching is based on the training and test data sets, the vast majority of which are common literature and formal writing. Formal writing is by design meant to have a uniformity in structure and tone, making detection for these use cases even more difficult.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.11156
https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.15264
https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.05030
general search term: "arxiv AI detection not possible"
It's worth noting that what is done in these evals is very similar to the kinds of eval benchmarks done to test how "smart" a model is, a quick look into the arguments and debates on how to even evaluate an LLM against others should warn most thinking folks off from using a content evaluator in this way.
I do feel it is possible to detect if an output is from a specific model however this requires full access to the model's weights and more computation time than what would be cost and time effective for the task.
IMO embracing tools like detectors is an attempt to preserve the "old" way of teaching in the face of a world demanding an entirely new paradigm.
See also https://hai.stanford.edu/news/ai-detectors-biased-against-non-native-english-writers and https://www.vanderbilt.edu/brightspace/2023/08/16/guidance-on-ai-detection-and-why-were-disabling-turnitins-ai-detector/
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u/icantbenormal 24d ago
There is a 82% chance that this post was written by AU.
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u/uranusisinretrograde 24d ago
australians?
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u/omnichad 24d ago
A huge chunk of pure gold, whose diameter is as wide as the distance from the Earth to the Sun
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u/mrchuckmorris 24d ago
Caveman: [invents wheel]
Caveman Teachers: "No use wheel! Carry all things!"
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u/ArcticHuntsman 24d ago
except if using the wheel led to the decay and atrophy of important muscle groups leading to no longer being able to use the wheel as effectively. Acting as if getting an AI to write a full essay is fine within an educational space is dangerous.
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u/StoryLineOne 24d ago
How we teach has to be radically different. What you or I learned in school is probably not what they should be teaching anymore - if an LLM can spit out an essay, then maybe Essays are pointless. So now it becomes - how can you test an individuals knowledge, knowing all the tools that are available?
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u/fmfbrestel 24d ago
The essay was always pointless, it was the content of the essay that was the lesson. It was learning to think in a structured way about a focused topic. -- Lessons still important even post AI.
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u/Single_Management891 24d ago
You are 100% on point. If all people know how to do is ask questions to a machine we end up with a lack of critical thinking. As time goes on the ai will also get dumber due to all the bs on the internet and ban idiocracy is now our reality, like the people actually water plants with something akin to Gatorade.
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u/kuda-stonk 24d ago
Just like calculators... instructors started asking you to show your work. Right now I'm finding more and more instructors are using GPT to grade their students and I'm getting pissed about it.
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u/No-Garden8616 24d ago
I know. The problem is what LLM AIs are trying to match style with the user prompt, even if not specifically asked to. LLMs intrinsically have some style of their own, but because of user style matching it is very volatile and AI detectors struggle to identify it.
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u/deliadam11 24d ago
Indeed. My custom GPT doesn't intend it but it is 100% human-written text output for the detectors.
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u/oklahomasnakes 24d ago
I’m in college and I’m having this issue. I write my papers and have to “dumb them down” for them to be considered mostly human written. So I’m getting better grades by basically neutering my papers. It’s kind of soul crushing.
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u/specks_of_dust 24d ago
I might die if I had to do this. I have a very distinct voice that I write in, and I don't know if I'd be willing to give that up.
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u/toujourstoutdoux_ 24d ago
It sucks so much. Today I wrote a few paragraphs, ran it through an AI detector, it told me it was 77% AI. I spiralled. Read & re-read them. Refused to re-write anything. I hope I do not end up regretting that decision.
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u/DerpJungler 23d ago
Ive recently submitted an article to a very credible news site in the U.S. It was probably 20% AI written but I made sure nothing was evident (avoided overused words, added my own titles and subheadings etc.)
They told me in a meeting that they would do some changes to the text and I said fine.
Guess what, mfers made it even more AI-looking. The text had the words I hate in it, like "loom" or "amid" etc.
I swear to god my text is 5x more human looking than the final version they've published.
They probably used a shitty "AI detector" and then used AI to "humanize" it.
Its ridiculous.
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u/Vik-_-_ 24d ago
Ask your teacher to put the constitution of the united states into the ai detector and see what it says.
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u/LampLoverBrick 24d ago
I've had similar results when writing about the Federalist papers as well.
Academia needs to adapt and LLM detection is so bad right now. It almost feels like it just spins a wheel to decide what is AI or not.
Some AI is really obvious but with the right prompts I've found it can become pretty similar to my writing style.
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u/jonjiv 24d ago
Any popular literature written pre-LLM’s scores high because it is in the training data.
The ai detectors are still BS, but the US Constitution is failing the test for different reasons than new original material.
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u/omnichad 24d ago
Exactly. Anything it chews up is something it is likely to spit back out. Also, if your writing looks like that of a typical Redditor, for the same reason.
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u/NickPDay 24d ago
Ideally something the teacher wrote. Or take up the offer to rewrite yours in their presence, then insist they scan it with the AI detector.
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u/Prs8863765 24d ago
It’s exam week I don’t wanna rewrite a whole essay just cause a detector says I used ai when I know I didn’t.
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u/skyydog1 24d ago
find the teachers old college work and put it into an ai detector
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u/calsosta 24d ago
How’d you write the doc? Does the editor have any sort of history built in?
If not I bet I could use AI and automation to spoof it.
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u/baltinerdist 24d ago
I sincerely want a lawsuit to come out of this AI detector garbage. Accusing students of academic dishonesty because an AI which is specifically designed to flag content as AI (because otherwise they wouldn’t have a selling point) tells you something is an AI creation is beyond unacceptable.
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u/BothNumber9 24d ago
This got detected as 58% human, 40% AI and 2% mixed using gptzero
https://chatgpt.com/share/674fa330-1204-8013-b8d8-90579e613f4e
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u/wapwapwapbb 24d ago
It’s a 404 error and what it says is so cryptic it’s actually terrifying 😂
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u/BothNumber9 24d ago
Forgot that, that’s old news I just got a 95% human rating with 5% detected as AI
https://chatgpt.com/share/674fc421-7018-8013-a68d-e8ebe9830bfc
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u/UnitNine 24d ago
Teacher here -
1) If you have samples of previous work, those are good evidence. The number one thing that sets off bells in my head is if a student suddenly starts writing with a much higher degree of fluency.
2) If you happen to have written it in Google Docs, show your teacher the "Version History." Papers that people actually write will show all of the edits/revisions, which helps establish that you actually wrote it.
3) Ask your teacher if you can come by after school to go through it with them verbally. I always give students that I suspect of cheating a chance to talk me through their work. If they wrote it, they can generally do so without problem; if they did cheat, they generally can't.
BOL!
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u/Werealldudesyea 24d ago
If you really did not use AI, contact your teacher and formally complain in writing and provide evidence that you did write it. If they insist you did not, have them prove it and ask for step by step verification of how they came to the conclusion it’s AI. If they just say “Well it says it’s AI” that isn’t a valid reason to fail someone. Had the same thing happen with my daughter, came with receipts on draft iterations from Word and shut it down real quick.
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u/IZ_mc 24d ago
Determining a well written human assisted, human prompted AI text from a well written human only text is impossible.
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u/LittleBoiFound 24d ago
I am so glad I’m not in school.
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u/Billyxmac 23d ago
Same. I can only imagine the pain of pulling all nighters to crank out 20 page research essays to only have the teacher say they ran it through some bogus tool and now I’m being forced to rewrite it.
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u/Hplant489 24d ago
I’m tempted to go back to my college essays I wrote from 2010–2014 and see what AI thinks.
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u/La_SESCOSEM 24d ago
I'm 58 and I'm (fortunately...) no longer concerned by the torments of teachers, but out of curiosity, I put one of my texts through an AI detector. (I've always been a good writer, with my own style and great grades when I was in class.) The result of these wonderful tools: more than 80% written by AI.... I pity the poor kids who, nowadays, try to stand out from the crowd. Like "look, this student wrote with style and talent, he's bound to be a cheater"
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u/Disastrous-Zombie-30 24d ago
That’s because the AI are trained on good writers… it’s a judgement call for the teacher. They need to get better at evaluation. Or having students write in their presence if that’s important. Like removing calculators from math exams.
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u/creative_name_idea 24d ago
If all of your friends used ai and didn't get caught, and you were the only one that got flagged, has it ever occurred to you that you might be an ai? I mean it would explain things. What you need to do is start using ai. If you process ai through an ai there is a chance that it will come around full circle and flag human or be a steaming pile of gibberish. Who knows. We are in uncharted territory here
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u/Longjumping-Koala631 24d ago
The stupid teacher doesn’t even know how to read their own detector. “…your Op Es was 84% AI generated..” doesn’t mean that 84 % of it was written with ai. It means it thinks there is an 84 % chance ai was used. Also that there is 16 % chance no ai was used; meaning there is some doubt. They shouldn’t be able to give someone a 0 unless there is 100% certainty . If there is even a little doubt, then that means the teacher must prove it before they can fail a student. And these detectors aren’t proof. They are ai themselves and just as prone to hallucinations.
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u/samuelazers 24d ago
Its such a poor way to write, ironic that this teacher should be grading any written exams.
It's stated as an objective truth, when it's probabilistic.
Even then, it's not very probabilistic, unless the software is able to compare with the students previous in-classroom written works, I just don't think it's reliable at all...
We all have our individual writing styles, some people write very analytically. And also the fact that if you talk enough with AI you can pick up their mannerisms, as young people do.
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u/djalekks 24d ago
None of these "detectors" work, they should be blacklisted and teachers penalized for using them. Ask him to put his own work.
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24d ago
Go in to rewrite the essay in person in front of him/her. But instead of writing the essay, write something like this:
Dear professor,
I spent X hours/days/weeks writing my essay without any use of AI, unlike many other students who likely slightly adjust their AI-written papers to pass AI-detectors. I even worked with a tutor, who I’ve asked to attest to working with me as I wrote this essay myself. If you had taken the time to run my essay through more than one AI-detector, you’d see that there are massive discrepancies and the results are not conclusive. I’ve attached my tutor’s attestation and encourage you to cite more than one source before jumping to conclusions.
Hand in the essay and walk out.
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u/InquisitivelyADHD 23d ago
Dear Mr. Vernon, we accept the fact that we had to sacrifice a whole Saturday in detention for whatever it was we did wrong. But we think you’re crazy to make us write an essay telling you who we think we are. You see us as you want to see us – in the simplest terms, in the most convenient definitions. But what we found out is that each one of us is a brain, and an athlete, and a basket case, a princess, and a criminal. Does that answer your question? Sincerely yours, The Breakfast Club.
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u/Ok-Yogurt2360 24d ago edited 24d ago
Tip: start using version control like git, and commit regularly. This will give you prove that you wrote your own work as you can show intermediate versions of your work. If you are not cheating it would be only a tiny bit of extra effort. If you cheat you need to fake a process which is more work than actually writing it yourself.
You could just make different save files as well but that gets messy quick.
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You can also suggest this (for future assignments) to your teacher to show that you are sincere. It might get you out of your current predicament as you are giving them a better way to check your work for any future assignments.
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u/fivetoedslothbear 24d ago
haha, write your paper in Markdown and then when the teacher complains, give them the 12,000 line Git history with full diffs...
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u/GiftToTheUniverse 24d ago
Are you telling me there is a market for software that will provide proof of the evolution of a paper?
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u/Forward_Ear_5808 24d ago
- Find something your professor wrote.
- Analyze it. It could easily come back as AI written, because of what others have said.
- Along with all the great stuff posted, share this as well.
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u/meccaleccahimeccahi 24d ago
The irony of these posts is: if these lazy fucking teachers would actually review their own papers instead of feeding them into AI detectors, maybe it wouldn’t be as big of a deal or maybe they would realize that the AI detectors don’t work.
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u/DanFlashesTrufanis 24d ago
Tell the professor you want to have a meeting with the dean of students and discuss this matter. Ask her to please bring a copy of the Terms and Conditions of the AI detector she used. They are pretty clear they shouldn’t be used as proof for teachers and professors but rather to help find trends in certain students who might be using AI to write papers but it is absolutely not proof. If there is anything I learned in college. It is if you make yourself very annoying usually you can wear out professors and administrators to give in for things like this.
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u/TheRealMajour 24d ago
Back when these AI detectors became popular, I decided to throw a couple of my old undergrad papers in to see what it showed. Keep in mind, I am now graduated with a terminal degree, and AI wasn’t a thing when I was in undergrad.
7 out of my 9 papers I plugged in showed 95% written by AI. Those detectors are bullshit and, this may be a hot take, but the teachers using them are no better since they are using AI to do their job for them. The reality is, teachers should know their student well enough to recognize what is their work vs AI. I find it hypocritical for them to use AI to do their job while simultaneously punishing people for their AI’s shortcomings.
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u/delete_dis 24d ago
Find a paper published under your prof’s name. Run it through the detector. Forward him the results.
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u/rainyweeds 24d ago
I took English 101 last fall at 32 years old. I haven’t written an essay in 15+ years. My first college essay was a narrative and I wrote straight from the heart. It scored high on the AI detector and I used nothing. Not even Grammarly. I emailed my professor and explained that I didn’t use any kind of AI and ended up getting a 98.
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u/Special_Command7893 24d ago
Yeah it's almost like open AI should fucking integrate the tech (which they have already created) that would make it a lot easier to tell what is and isn't AI generated... Because it's built straight in to the response. Google has done it. Now you. Pro tip: use the new Grammarly originality thing in the future to prove you didn't use AI. And have her run it through GPTZero. If it's written on Google Docs (and Microsoft word too, but I'm not completely sure) it will give a "deep scan" which will show your exact writing process and you can prove you didn't copy from AI
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u/StruggleCommon5117 24d ago
Something to play with:
I.AM.HUMAN
https://chatgpt.com/g/g-6748662672f08191b173a2812b18334f-i-am-human
example: https://chatgpt.com/share/67486f2f-6f94-800c-979d-c73e10559e62
or
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l2xnYTNuRIF5BO1YMvjjKZRC8l8o3yt5/view?usp=drivesdk
Purpose is to serve as a collaborative tool that enhances your creative process. I help generate, refine, and analyze content to make it engaging, natural, and human-like while avoiding mechanical or overly polished phrasing. The goal is to support your ideas, provide inspiration, and ensure your message resonates authentically with your audience, blending human creativity with AI assistance seamlessly.
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u/twopurplecards 24d ago
one of my buddies had this problem too, he just told the prof it wasn’t AI and they moved on and got their grade. setup a meeting with your prof and talk to them
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u/dragonfeet1 24d ago
Honestly ChatGPT is so bad at writing these days that it's indistinguishable from just really bad really larded up student writing. You know those tiktoks that tell you that to make length for your papers, instead of saying 'because' say 'the reason for this is that' because it takes up more space? That's ChatGPT's MO too since it's getting trained on so much mediocre student writing.
Fight it of course, because you should have proof, but don't expect a great grade.
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u/sikisabishii 24d ago
This whole enterprise of "AI detectors" is like egg and chicken riddle.
Feed human text to LLMs to train them.
Generate new text from trained models.
Accuse humans of using AI.
Well, who created the source material at the first place?
This is philosophically wrong.
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u/hepateetus 24d ago
Challenge it. If they refuse, escalate it. Do not give them an inch.
If they are concerned about AI plagiarism they should make clear in their assignment instructions that your document's version history is a requirement for submission (e.g., Google Docs). Don't let them put the burden on you to disprove an allegation when they don't want to put in the extra work themselves.
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u/xxThesaurus_Rex 24d ago
If using google Docs, you can install a Chrome plugin called “Draftback”. This will install a button at the top of your google Doc menu that you can click on. The plugin will display an animated summary of your working process, from start to finish. One advantage here is that you can install Draftback after finishing a doc and it will still work. Of course you can also submit the doc history, Draftback just digs up more granular detail from the doc history. This can be used as evidence and I encourage my students to use it in situations like this
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u/FuzzyDic3 23d ago
Fight it with the administration. Don't bother arguing with your teacher, simply inform them that it wasn't AI generated and tell them you will be contacting administration to get this resolved.
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u/ikwilllees 24d ago
What program did you use to write the essay? Many of them have metadata and version control you can access to show that it was worked on over time.
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u/kittenbouquet 24d ago
I rarely even trust that if it says 100%, but anything less is basically just "no way to know at all if this was AI". I'm sorry this happened to you, 84% is basically just a shrug from the program.
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u/Budget_Wafer382 24d ago
Even AI will tell you that AI is fallible ESPECIALLY in higher education where writing is at higher education levels:
4. False Positives
Human-written text, particularly if it's formal, well-structured, or uses precise language, can sometimes resemble AI-generated text. Detectors often struggle to differentiate between well-crafted human work and AI output.
I just put several types of famous text into zerogpt.com, and guess what happens:
Do Not Go Gently Into that Good Night - Dylan Thomas - 100%
Sonnet Number 116 - Shakespeare - 82.57%
I Have a Dream - MLK - 98.45
Do you know what program they used? I'd be curious to see what famous works and personal pre-AI works show up as. I used zerogpt.com
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u/KiritoAsunaYui2022 24d ago
One of my professors has a good way of approaching this, or at least mitigating it slightly. He says you can use ChatGPT as long it doesn’t account for more than 20% of the document. He also threw around the idea of utilizing technology like we would in the real world by giving us extra points if we present how we used ChatGPT and how our prompts and ChatGPT’s output line up with our final output.
My other professor doesn’t care as long as we understand the fundamentals and makes us prove live that we can achieve an assignment every once in a while.
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u/No-Forever-9761 24d ago
It’s possible that the other way around is true. Perhaps AI is capable of writing 84 percent as well as you.
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u/Nyani_Sore 24d ago
Christ on a stick! People still unironically use ai detectors? Those things are faulty gimmicks at best and at worst, if you need to pay for the use; they're scams.
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u/DoppyMcGee 24d ago
Here is a paper with several sources showing how BS these tools are. Present them to your prof, or their boss.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.11156
You’re in a golden spot to make serious bank with a lawsuit. Go hard.
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u/Diver808 24d ago
If you need a nuclear option; releasing your work to a third party without your permission is a potential FERPA violation, contingent on 1- if you gave permission to release your work, 2- the tool being used 3- if your institution falls under FERPA. Most ai checkers I am aware of maintain a record of all materials included in the prompt/upload process for use as data in refining their algorithms, if your name was on the work (perhaps even if it was not), that could constitute a breach of your privacy and constitute a violation.
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u/Dotcaprachiappa 24d ago
Show them that the bible, the US constitution, and the declaration of independence all get flagged for AI
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u/Hyperbolic_Mess 24d ago
Find out which detector they use and then find the part in the terms of service for that "detector" where it says it shouldn't be used for anything important because ai detectors do not work and these companies don't want to get sued. Then suggest that they flip a coin to identify ai work instead as that will be just as accurate and much cheaper
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u/sortofhappyish 24d ago
put that response into an "AI detector" and watch it say your tutor's response was AI generated.....then accuse him back for funsies!
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u/silverud 24d ago
Your teacher obtained a written release from you to submit your copyrighted work to an AI detector, right? She didn't just assume she had license to submit your work to a third party without your permission, right?
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u/Amdv121998 24d ago
Can you have your tutor write a letter to the teacher? Or if you wrote in google docs you can see a full edit history and see you typing it
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u/RW8YT 24d ago
every time I write an essay or do an assignment, even though I have never used ai to write one, I still put mine in ai detector websites just to confirm they don’t false positive. Some of mine have flagged 80%+ when I write in a more stern tone, so I just go in and rewrite some sentences intentionally different until it doesn’t show as high % ai.
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u/Less-Procedure-4104 24d ago
Yes but even worse is the hypocrisy of using AI to find AI and then not understand that you can't really trust AI in the Frist place. It is like testing you but not allowing you to have resources to help you. In the real world nobody gives you a problem that you have to just solve yourself with no help and no body to talk to and then have a two hour dead line. Education is designed so educators can judge you and could you image if they had to determine if it was AI with nothing but their own brains and no AI tools.
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u/DrunkenBandit1 24d ago
I had to pay $160 for a virtual drivers ed class after a speeding ticket. The class culminated with a 300 word essay and they kicked it back twice for being AI generated. After the second time they booted me from the past and I had to pay to take the class again.
They accepted my essay on the first shot the next time around, part of me wonders if it's just a convenient way to get an extra $160 but I contested the charge with my credit card company 😂
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u/Undercoverexmo 24d ago
File a written complaint to the school and the school district. You have evidence. Don't let this slide.
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u/igotquestionsokay 24d ago
Do you use a service like grammarly?
It makes your writing show up as AI.
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u/Flimsy_Section227 24d ago
Do you have other older similar writing assignments? Put them in, see if detectors flag them too. If not show them to your professor, argue the detectors being inconsistent
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u/johnso21 24d ago
I feel duped. I didn’t realize that the founding fathers didn’t actually write this. My life is a lie.
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u/HeWhoJustFarted 24d ago
I didn't believe you at first, but I ran a piece of my own writing through a checker, and it was 90% A.I.
Either I need to start contemplating my existence harder (not entirely implausible) or you have a strong case here. At least the version I used is bogus.
I absolutely detest AI, but if this is the quality of "checkers" then they should not be used for the basis of plagiarism claims by my estimation.
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u/Bathairsexist 24d ago
What do you mean 90% PLUS human? I assume 4 out of 5 said it's human by your post. So AI detectors don't suck... yes?
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u/Prs8863765 24d ago
I said this to show how unreliable they are. 4 say it’s human then another say it’s ai. Also I asked chat gpt to write a simple humanized essay and then I put it into a detector and guess what…. It said it was human with no signs of ai.
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u/goclimbarock007 24d ago
I just put the first 2 paragraphs of the Gettysburg address into zerogpt and it said that Abraham Lincoln's speech was 100% AI generated.
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