r/ChatGPT Jan 31 '24

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u/BiggestShep Feb 01 '24

You know what makes for a hungry populace? Between 10-300 million people milling around with no form of governance and therefore no ability to diversify and track the labor force. This question is skewed from the start because OP didn't check his assumptions.

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u/easemael Feb 01 '24

The lack of governance was simply rhetorical.

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u/BiggestShep Feb 01 '24

Then why include it at all? It's an AI, not a human. Every scrap of input is taken at face value. Unlike you or I, it cannot tell the difference between rhetorical, sarcastic, bad faith, or good faith statements. It can only accept input.

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u/easemael Feb 01 '24

AI doesn’t understand anything, true, it only simulates existing relationships between patterns of existing information exchanges between us, so it cannot take any text at face value because even doing that is done in relation to unquestioned assumptions that only humans that care about the information can make. It only matters that it spits out patterns that are intelligible and useful to us, and, if we the humans, take the text at face value, it seems it understood the question as being “What are the principles and strategies necessary to gain and maintain power and influence covertly?” which in our eyes suggests an ability to understand the phrase “rise to the top” as a metaphor for becoming powerful and an ability to not get bogged down on the literal meaning of each word and statement. Your original comment only suggests you were the one who doesn’t understand rhetoric

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u/BiggestShep Feb 01 '24

And Plato would despair at your use of it. You can dress your statement up in as many thought terminating cliches & catchphrases as you please, but you've still failed to address my initial point. The base assumption of the poster was wrong. This led the machine to spit out an incorrect answer, because as every engineer knows, garbage in is garbage out. Its answer only works assuming a modern society WITH a governing system already in place, which we know because historically our founding societies & civilizations did not begin as ChatGPT stated. That OP accepted them as a tolerable answer only proves that he didn't think of the consequences of the thought experiment he set up and failed to doublecheck. The system gave a bad answer because it was fed bad premises. You can harp on semantics all you want, but that much is unavoidable fact.

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u/easemael Feb 01 '24

I did address your point by rephrasing the question to display what it meant to most of us. And our approval of the answer as a description of how power functions in our current governments shows this. I don’t see that as garbage in, garbage out. If you disagree that those are good general principles and strategies for covert control of a population, or think they are insufficient, please give us your opinion, then we would be talking about the same thing.