r/CapitolConsequences • u/raw65 • Feb 08 '22
Exclusive: FBI probes pre-Capitol riot meeting of far-right groups Investigation
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-probes-pre-capitol-riot-meeting-far-right-groups-2022-02-08/83
u/Furryhare375 Feb 08 '22
Seeing how it may be established that the Proud Boylovers may have also planned to have attempted to overtake the Capitol like the Oath Breakers, I wonder if some of the high members will have a visit from the FBI. It’d be nice if they would freak out upon being visited just so they would end up trying to attack them like the human excrement that they are only to get their asses kicked by the FBI.
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Feb 08 '22
I mean based on what we've seen, it looks the the Proud Boys instigated the rubes and provided the cover for the 'stacks' the Oath Keepers sent in.
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Feb 08 '22
My question is, why aren't we "no-knock warrant"-ing these people at 3am? These people should not be getting a good nights sleep for the rest of their lives. Just have the cops bust their door in and have them take a massive shit in the doorway and then just leave.
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u/faux_noodles Feb 08 '22
Well you see, they're not people of color or poor white people so that'll never happen to them. Plus I'm sure that plenty LEOs are in agreement with what they did and quietly support them.
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u/HR7-Q Feb 08 '22
poor white people
They are poor white people, but they're conservative white people so they get a pass.
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u/Specialist-Smoke Feb 08 '22
Poor white people in rural America have a lot of guns. Every pay period my husband coworkers would buy a new gun or a new piece for their guns. When the stimulus checks came, they were buying big guns (not sure what they are, I'm not a gun user) they wouldn't have lunch money, because all of their spare money went into their arsenal. They may be poor wealth wise, but gun wise they are very rich and you can pawn and sell guns. I didn't know that you could pawn guns.
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u/YoureNotMom Feb 08 '22
Hey bud, the mods of this sub do not like that kind of race-based whataboutism that is tOtAlLy NoT pRoVaBlE. I already got banned for it once
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u/graneflatsis ironically unironic Feb 08 '22
Your ban was for "incivility and whataboutism". In particular, this sentence which echoes rw blame shifting talking points about the police:
The dozens/hundreds of "law enforcement" salarymen whose actual fuckin job it is to figure that out failed us all.
There was malfeasance but blanket blaming the police is misinformation. You went on quite a tirade about it before we banned you.
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u/YoureNotMom Feb 08 '22
Link to anyone wondering what a bannable offense is.
If only the supervisors of the capitol police were as diligent in doing their jobs as you, dear moderator, and equipped the capitol police with the numbers and tools necessary to punish people perceived of doing crimes, we'd have fewer terrorists on the streets (which was relevant for that thread cuz a terrorist was allowed to go home and then kill someone whole drunk driving).
Accusing me of blaming the police is incorrect, it's their bosses that set them up for failure. And I've been consistent about that.
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u/graneflatsis ironically unironic Feb 08 '22
We agree now about their bosses but "salarymen"? Is that not a direct reference to the lower position folk? We are fair as many banned and then unbanned folk will attest to. If we made a mistake we'd own up to it. I don't think we have here. We may not be perfect, we take a ton of flack, but this sub is run to the best of our abilities.
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u/YoureNotMom Feb 08 '22
To be completely honest, i didn't know that was a loaded term or dogwhistle exclusively for the lower positions. I thought it was just a derogatory term for a desk jockey pencil pusher that slacks off while collecting their bloated salary. Thus, it applied quite accurately to the higher-ups that set the police up for failure by inaction and lack of preparation.
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u/graneflatsis ironically unironic Feb 08 '22
It might have swayed us and your ban had you responded with this at the time. We can only go by the words on the page and often err on the side of caution rather than nuance.
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u/YoureNotMom Feb 09 '22
You quoted the ban yourself, guy. It was 3 words: Whataboutism (which i interpreted to be racial cuz 90% of the time that term is used online, its about race and i made a racial whataboutist comment so it tracks) and incivility (i called dude stupid for accusing me of being a sov cit, and I stand by that).
Nothing in the ban directly pointed to my unintentional use of a loaded term as grounds for ban. So, I didn't argue it :p
I literally work in a company's appeals department in real life, and I know how to make a proper argument lol
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u/wellshitiguessnot Feb 08 '22
Because
1) the majority of them aren't black and
2) drugs busts aren't involved
Our law enforcement priorities are bushit.
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u/Specialist-Smoke Feb 08 '22
- They're afraid because they've been up against these people before.
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u/S3erverMonkey Feb 08 '22
I don't think it has anything to do with fear. Most of the LEOs who no knock ARE THESE PEOPLE.
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u/Specialist-Smoke Feb 08 '22
That's what I was saying. They know what type of arsenal that they have, because it's their family members, buddies. It's them. They also know that they have to be careful or this happens.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/shooting-florida-home-fbi-agents-serve-warrant-n1256451
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u/i_owe_them13 Feb 08 '22
Because there’s no justification to do that. Also no knock warrants are bullshit, so let’s not use them ever. Either get a warrant for a hot siege, do it the polite way, or catch them on the outs. Love the poop drop idea though. That should be an official legal thing. M
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Feb 08 '22
yes but while they've not been outlawed, I think it's safe to say terrorists do not need a good nights sleep. If cops want to drag their balls around feeling like the gestapo, they can with the correct targets.
I'm already imagining a soft no knock warrant where the cops quietly pick the lock of the front door and make their way to the sleeping "offender", quickly help them down while another cop takes a shit on their chest. Man, I've been playing too much Ready or Not.
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Feb 08 '22
Because there's significant overlap between LE, Prideboyz, and oath breakers. Basically interchangeable gravy seals.
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u/Specialist-Smoke Feb 08 '22
Because they know for a fact that they have guns. It's not like right wing terrorist groups haven't ever been a problem. They've always been a problem in this country, that's why the FBI, ATF etc approach with caution.
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Feb 08 '22
hey the black people who get murdered also have guns. No cautious approach there.
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u/Specialist-Smoke Feb 08 '22
That's true, but I think that the FBI and ATF know that these groups and their friends will all have a shootout with them. They're afraid of these groups because they're in them (or know someone in them) and they have a much bigger arsenal than someone that's being busted for drugs. I'm basing this off years of Unsolved Mysteries, and being Black in America.
All of this is anecdotal of course.
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u/Procrastanaseum Feb 08 '22
Have they looked into those "extremely important "tours"" members of congress were giving insurrectionists prior to the riot?
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u/Furryhare375 Feb 08 '22
It looks like the leader of the Oath Breakers literally shook hands with the leader of the Proud Boylovers. Terrorists look after each other. Every member of those groups should be classed as a domestic terrorist threat.
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Feb 08 '22
I'm most interested in which Congressional leaders, staff, or family members were present at these meetings. State and federal.
When you excise a tumor, you gotta get all the cancer cells.
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u/Girth_rulez Feb 08 '22
It looks like the leader of the Oath Breakers literally shook hands with the leader of the Proud Boylovers.
They were both already really talkative informants by that time, probably.
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u/JoshuaLyman Feb 08 '22
It's going to be funny when some of this turns out to be the sequel to 2 Guns.
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u/Kahzgul Feb 08 '22
let's not conflate being a traitor with being gay, please.
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u/No-Establishment-675 Feb 08 '22
Umm, being a “boylover” does not make one gay, it makes one a pedophile.
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u/Kahzgul Feb 08 '22
It read to me as homophobia. The emphasis was more on the addition of "lover" than the already existing "boy" - which these grown men use to refer to themselves.
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u/StoissEd Feb 08 '22
Wait. Wasn't it supposed to be just spontaneous protest?
I can't belive these proud patriots would plan something like that
They said so themselves...
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u/BabyNapsDaddyGames Feb 08 '22
No, no, see the Proud Bois and the Oats Cereal princesses are ANTIFA, BLM, FBI, RINO, crisis actor plants. Duh!
/s <----- do I need this?
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u/Kahzgul Feb 08 '22
Hard to be "spontaneous" when you've flown across the country with body armor you plan on wearing to a rally you marked on your calendar more than a month in advance.
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u/Slapbox Feb 08 '22
I don't want to see these traitors called patriots, even in jest.
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u/StoissEd Feb 08 '22
Patriots these days sadly has become the term for exactly that.. Traitors.
However the term for an actual patriot is now known as a rational person who cares about others than himself.
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u/rucb_alum Feb 08 '22
Too many showed up dressed and armed for a fight. Hard to believe that it wasn't co-ordinated.
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u/lrpfftt Feb 08 '22
To be fair, dressing up seems to be a big part of their gig.
Suddenly I find myself picturing a fashion show that mocks them.
These camo pants just scream I am the MOST Proud Boy of all!!!
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u/Disk_Mixerud Feb 08 '22
They'll argue that they were expecting Antifa/BLM to be there attacking them. And for a lot of them, that would be true. They were told that leftists were burning down cities and that there would be war in the streets in DC for the country.
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u/rucb_alum Feb 09 '22
Always wonder how the 'burning down cities' myths took hold and persisted without external evidence...Some cities had nightly protests but none were 'destroyed' as I'd seen more than one person post.
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u/PresidentWordSalad Feb 08 '22
Thankfully the FBI is on it. Honestly, it was concerning that we hear very little from the DOJ. And with there being a strong chance of the House falling to the Republicans, the can’t rely on the committee either. FBI also needs to be going after the politicians who helped and coordinated the attack.
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u/The_Ogler Feb 08 '22
I expect some shit will truly go down between spring and summer that reduces the House by several Republican seats.
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u/Seattle2017 Feb 08 '22
I hope we get indictments of people who were involved, but I'm not optimistic. This is happening too slowly.
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Feb 08 '22
it was concerning that we hear very little from the DOJ
I feel this is a troubling sentiment I see too often. The only things we want to hear from the DOJ are charges and indictments - just about everything else is politically-rooted or may even jeopardize ongoing investigations.
We already know there are/were fascist worms burrowing into many levels throughout government, and anything short of a tight fucking ship, could see such information making it to the wrong people. It's good to not hear a thing until it's announcing charges or indictments.
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u/SuperDoofusParade Feb 08 '22
It's good to not hear a thing until it's announcing charges or indictments.
Completely agree, I see a lot of people acting like the fact that they’re not getting daily status reports of investigations in progress means the DOJ is doing nothing. The DO SOMETHING. NOW!!! Twitter people are particularly tiresome on this point.
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Feb 08 '22
The drone you and I mention stands a good chance at being non-organic, and it echoes the Eeyore mentality.
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Feb 08 '22
Absolutely. Hanging out at RawStory can be amusing, but those hyper-partisan (D) idiots are furious with Garland and they demand actions that they decry when the (R) side does it. It's lunacy, their hypocrisy is ridiculous.
True it would be good to see a faster pace, but from the outside with no information, that's a casualty that can't be avoided.
Patience at this point, there are signs they are doing all the right things, let's allow them their space so they don't rush it and fuck things up in court.
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Feb 08 '22
The people shouting "Democrats need to play the same games the Republicans are playing" are bad-faith actors, universally. They would willingly abandon principles for a win, and that's a root of how fascism grows. It also shows an intrinsic misunderstanding of how the legal system operates at various levels, and how investigations work (hint, not like on cop shows).
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u/graneflatsis ironically unironic Feb 08 '22
I firmly believe bad actors are trying to push the left to radicalization. They target both sides to ensure instability and chaos.
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Feb 08 '22
DING DING FUCKING DING!
Mutual radicalization is exactly what bad actors want, they want to reduce us to choosing between Fascism and Anarchism. They have for quite some time, and are proving disturbingly successful.
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u/pabodie Feb 08 '22
Tattoo says the meeting was coincidence. The lawyer says she was there to talk about legal matters. One is lying. Guess who it is?
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u/TjW0569 Feb 08 '22
"Accidental meetup?"
I don't know about other people, but when I'm using a parking garage, I have no idea who else is using it.
I don't even have an idea about how to go about finding out who else is using it.
That's just such a weird fucking lie to make.
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u/Furryhare375 Feb 08 '22
Don’t forget that numerous members of the Proud Boys are child rapists
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u/Dobermanpure Soup Courier Feb 08 '22
Do you have proof to back up that claim? Were going to need to see legal documentation for that. Otherwise it is misinformation. You have 1 hour.
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u/bent42 Feb 08 '22
https://mobile.twitter.com/heresysquad/status/1063324194992087046?lang=en
IDK about numerous, but here's one.
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u/stupidsuburbs3 Feb 08 '22
Not op but maybe they can just say “at least one”. This PB was reportedly convicted of felony rape of a minor. I know zero details of the case though.
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u/Dobermanpure Soup Courier Feb 08 '22
You need to produce the goods otherwise it is hearsay and misinformation.
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u/Furryhare375 Feb 08 '22
You can delete the comment then as honestly I’m not in the mood to look them up right now. Thank you
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u/buffyfan12 Light Bringer Feb 08 '22
Accusing people of being “child rapists” is a tactic of QAnon and their ilk, and literally no different than had you trumpeted “Pedophile elite”
Don’t paint with a broad brush especially on that subject. Calling people child molesters/child rapists has been a tactic for othering people and marginalized groups like gays and lesbians and the transgendered….while I might want to add groups like the Boy Scouts, and Catholic and Mormon church (among others) got away with it for generations.
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u/Dobermanpure Soup Courier Feb 08 '22
So, you intentionally made a false statement with no proof to back it up. Got it.
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u/buffyfan12 Light Bringer Feb 08 '22
Your comment was removed as it appears to show "Fopdoodle" behavior.
We do not permit fopdoodles here.
Don't be a Fopdoodle!
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u/NoisyN1nja Feb 08 '22
Tarrio said he would not answer further questions. “I usually speak to all reporters,” he texted back after one question, “but when they become conspiracy theorists … that’s usually when I sever ties.”
This hurts my brain. They are literally investigating a conspiracy so if anyone is allowed to have ‘conspiracy theories’ shouldn’t it be those investigating a conspiracy??
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Feb 08 '22
Conspiracy theories and ‘a conspiracy’ are two diff things.
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u/BalledEagle88 Feb 08 '22
Pre 9/11 & Patriot Act, I would agree with you. Nowadays, it's just semantics. On that matter I am sick and tired of the right redefining words to escape personal, political, religious, et all responsibility. It's like they've been raising the brick they shat out at Clinton's impeachment into an ultimate grudge vengeance against America.
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u/Armyman125 Feb 09 '22
I wonder why photographer Harris is suing to keep her phone records from being turned over to the FBI and why she's lawyered up.
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u/buffyfan12 Light Bringer Feb 08 '22
Your comment was removed as it appears to violate subreddit Rule 11:
Basically being a low effort, drive-by comment or statement like "nothing will happen" that adds little to the discussion.
You do not have to have the fake enthusiasm of a "gameshow host" or "patronize us like bunny rabbits," but.... if your only contribution is pessimism we have a problem with that and that problem will lead to an eventual ban.
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u/ManyFacedGodxxx Feb 09 '22
Collusion and Conspiracy to overthrow the Government!??!? You mean, “treason??”
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u/raw65 Feb 08 '22