r/CapitolConsequences • u/DoremusJessup • Oct 04 '21
Jan. 6 rioters exploited little-known Capitol weak spots: A handful of unreinforced windows Investigation
https://news.yahoo.com/jan-6-rioters-exploited-little-090030729.html419
u/green_velvet_goodies Oct 04 '21
Ffs this was a planned coup attempt with inside assistance. It’s obvious. It’s been obvious the entire goddamn time. I’m tired.
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u/flaker111 Oct 04 '21
POC: OMG he got weed... LIFETIME IN JAIL. no parole...
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u/sanguinesolitude Oct 05 '21
"He was reaching for my gun, I had no choice but to shoot him. Also my body camera malfunctioned precisely during the time of the shooting. What are the chances?"
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u/NotThatEasily Oct 05 '21
Most of the people that went into the building are receiving felonies with plea deals to get light sentences.
While I’d prefer they all go to prison for a very long time, we have to consider the already overburdened court system. If every person got a full trial, we’d be holding these trials for a decade.
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u/AlgoodMan-1 Oct 05 '21
So what, we wasted time and money on worst.
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u/NotThatEasily Oct 05 '21
We don’t like them, but they still have rights and one of them is the right to a speedy trial. On top of that, any time spent hearing one of their cases is time not spent on a different case.
Take the non-violent offenders, give them a plea deal for what they’re likely to receive in court anyway, and move the process along for the violent offenders and the people in charge.
The felony charges they are receiving mean they are on terrorist watch lists, no-fly lists, no longer have legal access to firearms, and lose a bunch of other shit.
I want to be clear that I believe they should be getting much harsher sentences. Hell, I believe only one seditionist actually received justice for her crimes on January 6th. However, we need our courts to continue functioning and adding several hundred cases to the docket in a very short time isn’t going to help that.
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u/AlgoodMan-1 Oct 05 '21
You call this functioning? They are still spreading lies and misinformation. I see little contriteness. 9 months and not even close to bagging the ring leaders, orgainizators, or legislative traders. Ya that’s justice.
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u/BBQsauce18 Oct 05 '21
I woke up knowing what was going to happen that day. I'm not even a MAGAt. How the fuck are people scratching their heads about this? IT.WAS.ANNOUNCED.
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u/RogerClyneIsAGod2 Oct 04 '21
Boebert and Greene likely gave tours to those terrorists. Knowing which windows were “weak” is tactical knowledge of recent building improvements, and those two are too dumb to have gotten that data.
This is how I feel about those 2 idiots. I'm sure they gave tours to Insurrectionists but they're both too stupid to know anything about the state of any windows in that building.
They both probably wonder why they can't open them.
I also feel like anyone that broke those windows &/or went through them should have to help pay for the restoration of them because it's not going to be cheap or easy to do.
Maybe they can make them work all those minimum wage jobs no one wants any more because they live on that shit. Make them work at McDonalds or Walmart until their portion is paid.
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u/Shadyshade84 Oct 04 '21
I'd also add that they kind of come off as the "why would I keep track of what the peons have been doing?" type.
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u/okletstrythisagain Oct 04 '21
I always thought fear of being found out to have distributed information like that was the most likely motive for the officers who committed suicide after the insurrection, or was murdered and made to look like suicide. I am not saying that is true, I have seen no evidence of this, it just strikes me as a far more likely reason than battlefield trauma or being upset by the public's response.
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u/okletstrythisagain Oct 04 '21
Note however that many capitol police officers were suspended, dozens of others were/are being investigated, and a few leaders were fired/resigned.
Yeah, exactly. Was there ever any explanation given for those? I don't recall any satisfying details.
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u/mdp300 Oct 04 '21
I don't know if they actively helped the insurrection, but the Sgts at Arms certainly didn't secure much that day.
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u/mostrepublicanofall Oct 04 '21
I had a conversation with one of the R's in town on Saturday and he said that the traitor Ashley Babbit was shot in the back as she went through the window and she had no idea the guy with the gun was there.
"I saw the videos!", he says.
I told him that, "No, she was crunched up going forward and was staring into the eyes of the officer who popped her. But prove me wrong. She fell backwards onto her dumb red backpack as she plopped back after earning the reward she worked hard for."
After about 10 minutes of fumbling through his phone, he said he didn't want to talk about it anymore and started talking about how the snowflakes get all pissy if you call them by their wrong pronoun...
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u/AlgoodMan-1 Oct 05 '21
Did we see different videos? Cause it was clear she was warned and not shot in the back but in the neck area.
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u/Fahrenheit231 Oct 04 '21
One thing we're overlooking in all of this is, the Capital building is not protected by a secret security system with drop-down Kevlar panels and turrets that pop out of the walls. It's just a building.
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u/Charlie_Warlie Oct 04 '21
As an architect I was screaming at the videos I was watching that day. Honestly it's got to be one of the biggest design failures of the decade. This building ought to be one of the most secure buildings on the planet, and yet they had person-sized 1/4" laminated glazing on the first floor, with what looked with wood windows. Easily broken with a basic bat or ram.
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u/Kriss3d Oct 04 '21
Yes. Here in Denmark you can walk right up to our parliament building. It's very public. But it's a castle. Quite literally. Solid granite blocks for walls.
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u/Charlie_Warlie Oct 04 '21
yeah i was thinking about castles. I mean back then they had it figured out, you put the doors on the 2nd floor, the windows are too small to crawl through.
But I guess the design flies in the face of the idea of a public building.
BUT FFS we have the technology these days to have glazing AND security.
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u/pr0zach Oct 04 '21
Yeah, but it’s not necessarily fair to compare a lovely nation like Denmark to a third-world country like the U.S.
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u/Kriss3d Oct 05 '21
No. It isn't. Usa could have done so much more if people weren't insisting on not paying a dime in tax because it would benefit others than themselves.
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u/Queendevildog Oct 04 '21
Yes it's the people's house unfortunately. Everything about it needs appropriations approved by Congress. Up until this year it was unthinkable that rioters would swarm the people's house and damage it to this extent.
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Oct 04 '21
It shouldn't have to be a fortress. What happened was a travesty and the traitors should be brought to justice and prosecuted to 100% of the law
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u/Charlie_Warlie Oct 04 '21
Agreed it doesn't need to be that way but like... the Limo that transports the president has all these details that make it very secure. But to the naked eye it looks like a normal limo. I think a lot of us assumed that there were hidden details that made the buildings on The Mall more secure than your average 200 year old building.
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Oct 04 '21
I at least figured they would have had enough security cameras on the place to get clear video of every single person who came inside.
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u/matlockpowerslacks Oct 04 '21
Damn, this. It's sad that we had to rely as much on evidence that was so luckily produced and broadcast by the perpetraitors themselves.
All that glorious 4k video.
What I'm not seeing, and maybe I've missed it, are fines along with the jail sentences. Is it that far out of line to charge people that were present and inside for property damage? I don't really care if you didn't ran the door of the hinges, you sure used the situation to your advantage. And how about an upgrade from the 90s video technology while you have that wallet out.
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Oct 05 '21
Agreed, 100%
They should be all on the hook for a every portion of the damage and security costs. As well as the organizers
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u/taway1NC Oct 04 '21
They need to get some Indiana Jones features in there asap.
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u/Semi-Hemi-Demigod Oct 04 '21
Now I'm imagining Dollar General Jamiroquai running from a giant boulder.
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u/Queendevildog Oct 04 '21
Hmmm. Congress appropriated some cash for security upgrades. Wonder how that's going?
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u/HerbertWest Oct 04 '21
It honestly seemed less secure than a shopping mall.
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u/broich22 Oct 04 '21
It's crazy right ? Anti-jump barriers at practically cashless banks will take your arm off in a fraction of a second
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Oct 04 '21
It's supposed to be "the peoples' house". It should look imposing but welcoming, and I think it pulls that off nicely. The people should feel free (with proper security screening like metal detectors) to come and go as they please. It should not feel like some sort of impenetrable fortress.
All that said, we do have the technology to make a building welcoming and also able to be secured in a crisis, especially with the amount of advance notice we had here. Turrets are probably going too far, but establishing a parameter with more than just a few flimsy barricades and an actual police presence outside of the Capitol Police, who obviously aren't staffed for such a massive demonstration, would have been a good start. Fully reinforced windows would have been good too, but the fact that some (most?) windows actually were reinforced leads me to believe that was more a work in progress than a complete oversight.
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u/Queendevildog Oct 04 '21
Adequate staffing and plan of action for Capitol police would have prevented the whole thing. It was a conspiracy at the highest levels. Inside information on vulnerabilities was leaked. But Capitol police were seriously undermanned and orders for backup were significantly delayed.
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u/bendefinitely Oct 05 '21
Pop out turrets would be a pretty awful idea for a building holding our nation's most powerful people. Any computer system can be hacked, especially when the enemies of the state are already working in the building.
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Oct 04 '21
Welp, they knew somehow. Can anyone tell me this WASN’T an inside job? I feel like the ones who really should be in jail are……in Congress?
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u/UhOh-Chongo Oct 04 '21
Every time I watch that FBI video of the Bomber, I cant help but think its actually Brobert herself. I am fairly sure its a women based on the gait and body angles when carrying the backpack.
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Oct 04 '21
If that was Boebert herself, to say that she is in deep trouble would be the understatement of the day.
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u/StormyDaze1175 Oct 04 '21
Isn't there video out there of a woman directing traffic to these windows?
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u/ItAmusesMe Oct 04 '21
Top comment is "how did they know", and it's not Boebert.
The US capitol police:
would have exactly what windows xyz and everything else physical plant, and congress also has USCP records though some would only be available to cmte's and some only under clearance.
USCP voted >90% "no confidence in leadership" in the weeks following,
a laundry list of "oopsies" from USCP heads 1/4-1/6,
It's very unlikely this "known security flaw" was available publicly (prove me wrong), and I cannot think of another (not high security clearance) who has any reason to have the specific info, tho DHS's performance day-of makes me speculate.
So, and #epikfail hits close to bone and is just the start, by far more likely is white house straight to gravy seals via a handful of koonts in spraytans immediate circles, meaning some koont in USCP or DHS probably leaked a classified doc, and there aren't too many names to guess at in either. Next most likely is a gop congresscritter on a security cmte.
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u/matlockpowerslacks Oct 04 '21
I'm not yet sold on anything beyond dumb zombie luck yet, but I'm completely open to the idea that individuals had foreknowledge of weak points. Whether this was gleaned from reconnaissance and public information or sympathetic insiders had yet to be determined.
They being said, there there was a horde of people in there. Even if it was only the 600ish I heard early on, that's a bunch of eyes and hands to jiggle knobs, kick at doors and generally just wander around.
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u/pm_me_all_dogs Oct 05 '21
Who was the democrat rep that found all the panic buttons in her office had been physically removed?
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u/ManyFacedGodxxx Oct 04 '21
It's almost if they "knew" where to go... Huh.
But I heard it was just a normal tourist visit so no biggie I guess. Tourism certainly has "changed" I have to say.
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u/Linkstas Oct 04 '21
Lauren Boebert and Marjorie “horse face” Greene
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Oct 04 '21
It’s crazy to me that the whole article is talking about how vulnerable these points are… and then they literally show you a diagram of where these weak spots are. You know, in case you want to try again.
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u/LaSage Oct 04 '21
Its as though they had help from the inside, perhaps elected qanut members and/or other elected traitors who gave tours to insurrectionists prior to the attack on the Capitol.
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u/mermzz Oct 04 '21
Lol didn't some of them get flat out let inside? Thats a pretty glaring weakness
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u/vague_diss Oct 04 '21
They seemed mighty aimless and confused on the house floor. Either they’re inept or they didn’t really have a plan. Did they legitimately think Congress would stand by waiting for them to overthrow the government?
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u/stargate-command Oct 05 '21
So was it inside information, something available to the public but not well known, or just hitting enough windows to eventually smash the unreinforced ones?
Little-known doesn’t mean unknowable. Could it be online information rarely accessed (because nobody but traitors would care)
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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '21
right...so how did THEY know?