r/CapitolConsequences • u/SonoraBee • Jan 13 '21

A Houston Police Officer "penetrated" the Capitol. The HPD Chief reported him to the FBI upon learning he had been there. Investigation

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2021/01/13/watch-live-houston-police-chief-art-acevedo-to-discuss-public-safety-in-city-ahead-of-inauguration-day/
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u/i_hateeveryone Jan 13 '21

Yes!

So as a Vietnamese American, i am surrounded by Viet that are just like as bad as white MAGA and have been dying to see if any Viet MAGA people will face consequences for also being at the coup.

They are just as bad but are not talked about due to language barriers.

I blocked majority of my family on FB because their Consistent posts about lies and crap they believe in.

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u/revertothemiddle Jan 13 '21

There are definitely reactionary conservative elements. Comes from their anti-communism. Kind of like Cubans I've heard.

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u/El_Che1 Jan 13 '21

Agreed very much like Cubans.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '21

Which is hilarious. There’s only one party fetishing purges and roundups.

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u/GSXRbroinflipflops Jan 14 '21

And Polish Americans too!

It makes me so sad.

I’ve got a few Polish friends whose families are just completely infatuated by Trump even after the siege.

And my friends just cannot take it. Cannot understand how their parents who immigrated from Poland could fall for a fascist like Trump.

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u/NonPracticingAtheist Jan 14 '21

Targeted propaganda based on data mining what appeals to different subcultures in a group? Like the parallels to communism as that is the bogey man that triggers them( guessing ). Then manipulating your parents based on personal info mined from the internet? Then say that discussing politics is rude and there it is...

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u/GSXRbroinflipflops Jan 14 '21

Well, there it is.

Appeal to machismo, anti-communism, anti-socialism, financial frustration, and the “work makes you holy” sentiment and you’re in.

Then you’ve just gotta rebrand and translate per group.

Pay somebody to set up some bots and a network of people astro-turfing comments on Facebook/Reddit/Twitter/etc.

Seems to be incredibly effective.

Ugh.

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u/OtherSpiderOnTheWall Jan 14 '21

Your friends may want to take a look at Poland. Not that it's completely awful, but there's certainly a strong reactionary/conservative movement.

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u/GSXRbroinflipflops Jan 14 '21

Oh, they are well aware. 😞

They’re second gen so they speak and read Polish but grew up here in USA. And they visit Poland too.

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u/hickgorilla Jan 14 '21

I have a polish neighbor who is beside himself with rage at what happened.

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u/elleahye Jan 14 '21 edited Jan 14 '21

This is me with my maternal grandma's family. I was extremely close to them growing up. In the last few years, I've had to cut off almost all of them, probably about two dozen in the last six months alone.

The ones who lived in my great grandma's household are responsible for her death by treating coronavirus as an eventuality and not doing much of anything to avoid it. They have no remorse that they killed an otherwise extremely healthy woman and have said "she wanted to be with great grandpa in heaven". The one positive thing that came from her death is that her entire household got sick right before the Thanksgiving dinner they planned with 40+ other relatives and they canceled due to how ill they were.

None of my first or second gen German American and Romanian American relatives are this ridiculous even though they grew up in and in most cases still live in the same area. I have no idea why my Polish American family members are like this.

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u/OniTan Jan 14 '21

MAGA is a death cult.

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u/Northman324 Jan 14 '21

Short memories?

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u/TagTrog Jan 14 '21

It's a crime in Poland to mention the level of collaboration with Nazis that existed in Poland in WWII. Every country in Europe has levels of collaboration with Nazis by ordinary citizens. And it's still a racist place.

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u/hamster_rustler Jan 14 '21

Well... I mean... what are we doing here then?

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u/hlorghlorgh Jan 14 '21

lol - username checks out?

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '21 edited Jan 18 '21

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u/El_Che1 Jan 14 '21

Yup another good word for fascists.

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u/DataCassette Jan 14 '21

While they are usually being misled and it is frustrating, I think it's prudent to be very careful how we try to persuade such demographics.

It's objectively ridiculous to equate someone like Bernie/AOC or policies like Medicare for all with Castro or the Viet Cong, but I can see how it could echo chamber its way there. Particularly through targeted propaganda, which is almost certainly being conducted constantly by rich old white vampire lords.

I think this is an area that requires careful, thoughtful outreach from people within those communities and I'm definitely not qualified.

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u/Kelutauro Jan 14 '21

I thought MAGA was white supremacist

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u/takatori Jan 14 '21

"America First" is a white supremacist catchphrase/dogwhistle, but MAGA is a bit more nebulous Like, most white supremacists support MAGA, but not all MAGA are white supremacists. But they give white supremacists safe harbor, so still culpable.

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u/DataCassette Jan 14 '21

Alt-Right and far-right spaces in general are a bizarre stew of beliefs. I've known very far right people with all kinds of mixes of beliefs. There's an exception to everything, probably being paranoid about/opposed to Socialism and hating black people are the only near-constants.

If we're talking about how they feel about people who are neither black nor white then it's a pretty mixed bag. Some of them are anti-Semites but not nearly all. They don't have a uniform stance on gay rights, a few of them are even trans-tolerant ( though this is more rare. )

The more serious issue is that they're fellow travelers with all of the above and don't distance themselves from it.

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u/revertothemiddle Jan 14 '21

MAGA is a brew of stuff. White supremacism is part of it sure, but not the whole thing. Someone needs to take up the cause of poor white folks though. I feel for them. They're not responsible for our country's problems, and they're no better than poor non-white folks. MAGA stopped being about poor folks the day it was birthed. Basically I see Trump as a weapon that was aimed at the status quo. If things don't improve for poor people in this country and do so fast, another weapon will come.

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u/_banana_phone Jan 14 '21

And Chileans. My ex’s dad is from there and he is so afraid of communism that he is pro-fascism. I didn’t live through what he lived through, so I’m not going to villainize the guy, but his political stances are definitely a product of trauma, which is foreign to me.

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u/moronyte Jan 14 '21

In San Jose, CA the Vietnamese community did a pro trump rally (on Wed or day after, can't remember).

What is going on with Viets supporting trump?

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u/Holymolyallnamestakn Jan 14 '21

They see him as "freeing" them & their land because China, the French & US are always trying to dominate. China especially, they also want Tawian & Hong Kong.

The new Taiwan open communications Mike Pompeo just enacted is not really great for US-China relationship. Either was calling Cuba a sponsor of terrorism.

Basically the Trump administration fucked our international relations for a few votes. Fuck trump & all his cronies. Sold out the US so they could get richer. That's jus my opinion.

Biden has a lot to do.

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u/takatori Jan 14 '21

Taiwan open communications Mike Pompeo just enacted

Oh goddamnit he actually went ahead with it? With everything else going on I'd not heard anything on this for a few weeks.

Please tell me they're not going there to extend official recognition--my city will be one of China's priority targets for interrupting American military aid to the island.

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u/og_murderhornet Jan 14 '21

Look, Pompeo is a huge asshole, but this is stupid. He rescinded existing US government self-imposed restrictions on their own communications and cooperations with Taiwan.

China has more to lose than any other party attempting a military takeover of Taiwan in current and foreseeable future circumstances, and it's been US policy to keep it that way for decades. They're going to make some dumbass complaint about their poor feelings and then do nothing of consequence.

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u/takatori Jan 14 '21

The communications thing is a snub and detrimental to relations but not likely to result in serious consequences.

But were they to extend recognition, China has no choice but to respond and probably kinetically. They're backed into a rhetorical and policy corner on that one. It's their red line.

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u/Positive_Jackfruit_5 Jan 15 '21

My conspiracy theory is that they’re laying a trap for Biden’s team.

They’re probably hoping to wiretap an incriminating convo in the same way that Gen Flynn got caught talking to the Russians about lifting sanctions.

Basically starting a small fire and waiting for the next admin to jump the gun.

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u/proudbakunkinman Jan 14 '21 edited Jan 14 '21

Media aimed at Asians in the US is mostly dominated by the right wing Falun Gong. They own Epoch News (print and web) and NTD television channel, the latter of which they try to make sure is broadcast in cities with a large Asian population and translate into the top few Asian languages. Both are arguably to the right of Fox News and push right wing conspiracies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Tang_Dynasty_Television

Also, a lot of immigrants into the US who aren't just here for a few years to earn some extra money and boost their resume already know the US is considered fairly right leaning compared to other highly developed countries and that may be a factor in why they choose to come to the US over Canada, Australia, NZ, etc. Imagine a bunch of Republican / Trump supporters moving to another country, not really shocking they'd back the most right wing parties and politicians once they arrived. Others are just politically naive and buy all the BS Trump, Republicans, right media, right social media push, maybe trusting there must be some checks on disinformation and lies so if this is being said in the media and by politicians, it's got to be true.

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u/Specialist-Smoke Jan 14 '21

And white supremacy is a powerful drug. One of the first things learned by new immigrants is anti Black rethoric and the power of white supremacy.

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u/AvailableWait21 Jan 14 '21 edited Jan 14 '21

Just like Floridian Cuban expats, this is exactly what it is. These are the people that hate their home country because their greed, selfishness and violent exploitation of others isn't welcome in those countries any more.

Most of these people have stories about how their family 'lost everything' when the communists took power, but 'everything' usually refers to a monopoly sustained by slave labor and terrorism.

A lot of them are especially angry that they can't return to their home countries because they're still wanted for the crimes they originally fled from.

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u/TagTrog Jan 14 '21

I don't give Reddit money but your comment is GOLD! Cheers mate.

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u/ZenZulu Jan 14 '21

And of course Biden is "communist". Biden would be a raging right-winger in most of the world, it's just that the GOP in America is off the cliff to the right.

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u/OniTan Jan 14 '21

Meanwhile Trump is as authoritarian as Kim Jong Un. But it's OK because he has an (R) next to his name.

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u/cmetzjr Jan 14 '21

This is not said enough. Biden is super mainstream, far from a progressive - he was just the best option of the two.

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u/Holymolyallnamestakn Jan 14 '21

I'm sure & I don't blame them.He looks like a great guy but he's a snake. Classic con man.

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u/OniTan Jan 14 '21

"I TOLD you I was a snake when I got on your back!"

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u/CommanderKeyes Jan 14 '21

The Vietnamese community is very anti-communism, because they’ve had to fight against communist North during the Vietnam War. Because of this, they lean right and support the Republican Party (South Vietnam was officially called Republic of Vietnam) and are pro-Trump.

I feel bad for my parents because they don’t understand English so they can only watch Vietnamese channels, which are all right leaning and pro-Trump. They think Democrats support Communism, the election is rigged, and all those good stuff.

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u/moronyte Jan 15 '21

well, if it's any consolation, way too many native english speaker believe that shit too :/

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u/Darkandredchixk Jan 14 '21

Funniest shit was last time vietnamese trump supporters were told by other trump supporters to go back to china lolol as asian I wish all asian trump supporters would self deport to show their support for him

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u/ElonMuskP3NIS Jan 14 '21

Bruh you in the O.C. huh?

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u/kashuntr188 Jan 14 '21

I'm connected to some conservative leaning Insta accounts. Seems Viets are very pro-MAGA. what gives?

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u/tututup Jan 14 '21

Yes this is so super weird. Every Vietnamese-American I have met is super pro Trump and republican. I’ve never understood it.

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u/novaknox Jan 15 '21

The political divide is consistent with the rest of the US. Most younger Vietnamese Americans are progressive whilst the older demographic (boomers up) are ardently Republican. I’d wager that the ones you’ve met are in the latter demographic.

There’s a comment in this thread that explains it well.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '21

Very easy since all you gotta do is scare the vietnamese with the C word. No, not cunt. Communist. Doesn't matter if a person is helping a vietnamese family. If the helpful person is called a communist, the vietnamese family will react badly to that person. Human fear is a great tool.

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u/novaknox Jan 15 '21

It doesn’t end at the US borders. Vietnamese Australians are equally as rabid Trump (donno chum) supporters. They went from knowing dick all about US politics 4 years ago to now “experts” because they watch some nut job on YouTube.

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u/watdyasay Jan 13 '21

Sources tell KPRC the officer is Tam Dinh Pham. A KPRC 2 source says he was relieved of duty this morning.

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u/hiltonhead-gameboss Jan 14 '21

I wonder if Tam realizes he was rioting for the right of the white guy next to him to beat the $hit out of him with no consequences, because I guarantee that's what the white guy is thinking. I guess if he put an ounce of thought into it he wouldn't have been there in the first place.

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u/99BottlesOfBass Jan 14 '21

I've heard or read somewhere that Asians usually get a pass in racist circles. I'm not sure on details or specifics or even the accuracy of that statement. Take it with a grain of salt

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u/willstr1 Jan 14 '21

Before Covid maybe, but in the past year there has been a lot of racism against Asians from the rare intersection of people right enough (politically) but not claiming Covid was a hoax

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u/neverjuliet Jan 14 '21

My guess is that they claim they're voting for freedom. But deep down they secretly like oppressive regimes and that's why they support DT. Cubans, Venezuelans, Pilipino, former Soviet countries all these immigrant groups gravitated toward DT then gaslighted by screaming "SOCIALISM". They aren't upset that a dictator took over their country: their upset that the dictator THEY wanted isn't in power.

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u/Peja1611 Jan 14 '21

Cuban Americans have always been overwhelmingly just fine with authoritarians of the right wing flavor, decades before Trump. Their parents or grandparents were pert of Batistas regime, benefitted from serfdom. They fled so they didn't get put against the wall for their crimes. The same idea holds through South America through the last century--coups against fair elections are coo when we overthrow commies, but when we win a rigged you better not even think about it.

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u/HR7-Q Jan 13 '21

Good on the chief! True patriotic act

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '21

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u/PitoChueco Jan 14 '21

Not always. Still waiting for justice for his goons who shot up an innocent couple due to lying on warrants. He talks a good game though.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '21

Justice for Rhogena Nichols and Charles Tuttle. They and their dog were murdered by HPD!! Never forget them!

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '21

Omg I'm glad I'm not the only one who has beef with Acevedo man! I'll say, he finally did something right.. Probably because the FBI was actually watching.

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u/LabRatOnCrack Jan 13 '21

So do we report anyone we knew that was in DC that day? Or do they need to be inside the building?

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '21

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u/neverjuliet Jan 14 '21

Anyone who was at that rally should assume that the FBI at some point will be questioning them. I'm sure they're scouring FB pages and accounts looking for pictures. If they showed up at the rally and didn't leave when they saw the guns and tactical gear, then they're terrorists as far as I'm concerned.

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u/Disk_Mixerud Jan 13 '21

Depending how well they know you and if you could have a conversation with them, you could pretend to be excited about their story to get more information.

"Wow, you were there? Oh shit, what was it like? Did you get in the Capitol??"

Then go home and report them if they mentioned any crimes.

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u/Clay_Pigeon Jan 14 '21

"Did you loot anything cool?"

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u/You_Yew_Ewe Jan 14 '21

"Wow, how exciting! Did you intend on overthrowing the government? Did you want to hang or imprison any congressman or officials?"

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u/SonoraBee Jan 13 '21

I personally wouldn't bother unless they had entered the building or made a threat / committed a crime on camera. Chief Acevedo seems pretty confident that this guy entered the Capitol though.

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u/kgb4187 Jan 14 '21

I read that as "Chief Avocado" and wondered what you meant by it

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u/In_Dying_Arms Jan 14 '21

I read OP's comment fast and also thought it said Avocado, and would have went on with my day if I didn't see your comment next. Are we just hungry?

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u/AvailableWait21 Jan 14 '21

If someone was standing on the steps of the capitol, they were a part of the attack that overran police lines. Every single person that stepped beyond the original police lines is a terrorist.

The FBI and Capitol Police will charge every criminal that put a foot over the original police lines, please help them catch all of the terrorists that helped the breach teams get to the building.

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u/AvailableWait21 Jan 14 '21

There was a wide police perimeter established away from the building. Thousands of people participated in the attacks that caused the police to abandon the perimeter, and every single one of them is a terrorist.

Every person that then stepped past the original police barriers committed additional federal crimes.

Anyone that was on/touching/anywhere remotely close to the Capitol building is an insurrectionist terrorist who shares culpability for every crime committed.

Please don't overlook the hundreds of terrorists that helped the tactical teams reach the building, they would never have been able to breach the first police line without the support of every terrorist that overran the police lines.

The FBI and Capitol Police will charge every criminal that put a foot over the original police lines, please help them catch all of the terrorists that helped the breach teams get to the building.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '21

Inside or attacking people. Peaceful protest is legit.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '21

This was not a protest, it was an insurrection. Report them and let the FBI sort it out. The majority of the violence including (confirmed?) Officer Sicknick’s murder happened outside of the building, let alone the pipe bombs.

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u/xooxanthellae Jan 14 '21

There was a fence that said the Capitol Grounds were off-limits. Nobody should have even been close to the Capitol.

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u/xooxanthellae Jan 14 '21

The Capitol grounds were off-limits. They busted down a fence just to get near the building

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u/Ontario0000 Jan 14 '21

Same as the Cubans who voted for Trump in Florida.Some how they think socialism is the same as communism and continue to support GOP in majority of the elections.Either way one of the few viets in the HPD has become another dumb ass who lost his career for being a traitor.

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u/ZenZulu Jan 14 '21

Putting aside the fact that Biden is about as "socialist" as Ronald Reagan. There are no true socialists, or very few, in government and no Bernie isn't there either...though he's closer.

And also putting aside the fact that being right or left on the economic scale has shit to do with being authoritarian or fascist.

But in any case, morons have just made "Socialist!" the latest boogeyman word, something else will come along when they get tired of that one. "Liberal" is getting there.

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u/-shrug- Jan 14 '21

I love watching twitterers who actually identify as socialist get angry when people like AOC are accused of being one, and get in hopeless arguments trying to explain actual theory to some MAGA. It's so quixotic.

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u/neverjuliet Jan 14 '21

They didn't leave their country because a dangerous dictator came to power. They left because the dangerous dictator THEY WANTED DIDN'T come to power. That's why they heavily support DT and vote republican.

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u/NorskGodLoki Jan 13 '21

Bye Bye career!

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u/ZenZulu Jan 14 '21 edited Jan 14 '21

Always amazing to see any minority who is willing to go to bat for a racist POS like Trump, and especially join a rally made up at least partially by known white supremacist groups. Sounds a bit like roaches voting for Raid...

Psst...you see all those people around you with red hats? Yeah, they think you are sub-human. Just thought you should know.

I know a lot of Chinese people (my wife being from there) and while most are not for Trump, one of them is--by far--the most "enthusiastic" Trump supporter I know. It's really creepy and scary. She's very well-off, so that's part of it, but it goes WAY deeper than just financial self-interest. Very much like cult members I've read about actually.

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u/Ai--Ya Jan 14 '21

Have you heard of the Epoch Times?

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u/novaknox Jan 15 '21

You would be fascinated with the Vietnamese American community as they are the most rabid and loyal Trump supporters among the Asian American community. It’s embarrassing.

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u/Ontario0000 Jan 13 '21

Viets think US cares about them..wrong..they are using your country to piss off China.

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u/revertothemiddle Jan 13 '21

I don't think Viets need the US to be pissed at China. Lol.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '21

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u/Nunya13 Jan 14 '21

Stupid question: what is “Viets”

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u/Darkandredchixk Jan 14 '21

Viet's were told by other trump supporters to go back to China 😏😂

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u/Ontario0000 Jan 14 '21

LOL I wouldnt be surprise.The racist rioters probably said the same to the blacks and browns there after they use them as a token member of their group.

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u/DoomsdayRabbit Jan 13 '21

The more things change the more they stay the same.

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u/thats1evildude Jan 14 '21

Eighteen years of service with no major issues and he blows it all to take part in a terror attack on the Capitol. Shameful.

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u/phieud Jan 14 '21

That's a nguyen for us

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u/PulsesTrainer Jan 13 '21

Looks like he was a member of "Uncle Tom ass brown foreigners for Trump"

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '21

Uncle Tom

Pretty fucked up that this is still socially acceptable to say tbh. But hey what do I know.

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u/Peja1611 Jan 14 '21

Its from Malcolm Xs "Message to the Grassroots" critique.

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u/antipodal-chilli Jan 14 '21 edited Jan 14 '21

I understand your anger and I realize you are making a joke.

I want these people, if and when they are found guilty, to subject to the full weight of the law and incarcerated.

But hoping someone is raped, even in jest, in prison is not seeking justice.

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u/kabalabonga Jan 14 '21 edited Jan 14 '21

I’m hardly joking. I teach in a maximum security prison, and have for years. If that cop is convicted, he’s going to need to check into PC right away, or he’s going to be violated,if not outright killed, and the first could precede the other. Convicted officers of the law are persona non grata in prison, never mind one who associates, even by proximity, with white supremacists, and he’ll be without the protection of the AB, who will recoil from this dude because of his background in law enforcement.

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u/Testiclese Jan 14 '21

I thought cops, for this reason, were never put in with the general population in a prison?

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u/kabalabonga Jan 14 '21 edited Jan 14 '21

It’s customary practice. But anybody can be gotten to-inmates will check in to PC to take out a prisoner who’s especially loathed. It all depends upon the institution. If he goes into a highly secured SHU (secure housing unit) he’d be much better off, but given how overcrowded even federal institutions are he’d be bunking with somebody else, and someone from general population’ll have an open target.

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u/BuckRowdy Jan 14 '21

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