r/CapitolConsequences • u/floatjoy • Jan 12 '21
How they can track every single cell phone that was carried in the Capitol invasion Discussion
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u/MjolnirPants Jan 12 '21
Between this, the selfies and the streaming video, I think it's safe to say that rule number one of overthrowing your duly elected government is to leave your fucking phone at home.
Of course, rule zero is
DON'T TRY TO OVERTHROW YOUR DULY ELECTED GOVERNMENT
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Jan 12 '21
If any of those dudes actually gave a shit about China's demonstrations they would have seen one of the many threads about steps protestors were taking. The organization was incredible; unfortunately their opponent is one of the largest nations on Earth and they do not have the benefit of the country being split evenly in their favor.
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u/MjolnirPants Jan 12 '21
I agree, and with you bringing China up, I want to point out that the "duly elected" part of rule zero is pretty fucking important.
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u/dizekat Jan 12 '21
I'm convinced that they simultaneously believe that they won so hard they wouldn't even get in trouble for selfied felonies, and believe that everyone is against them and they are oppressed by the big tech.
This is what is so crazy about it. There's nothing else to say than that they're just stupid. They can't even form a delusion like a persecution complex properly.
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u/blueinkedbones Jan 12 '21
well you see, they’re currently being oppressed, but in exactly five minutes, trump and his loyal patriots are gonna flip the script, arrest and kill all their opponents, and everyone who pays trump $666 right now will get their very own medal of freedom when trump is elected forever president. act now, trump loves youuuu
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u/snoogins355 Jan 12 '21
My worry now is that Trump will blanket pardon these assholes. So many new laws limiting the power of the president and other executive regulations are needed because of the orange cunt
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u/dizekat Jan 12 '21
I doubt he will. And pardoning unspecified people for unspecified crimes may be too crazy even for Trump’s supreme court. If he can do that then the next trump can on his way out pardon literally everyone in the US he can pardon, just to fuck the crime rates up for the next guy.
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u/jmcdon00 Jan 12 '21
The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
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u/MjolnirPants Jan 12 '21
While that would actually do the trick quite well, I hesitate to assume any of those chucklefucks would know that, or even be able to remember to close the damn bag once they put their phones in it.
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u/Supple_Meme Jan 12 '21
I heard the best way to overthrow your government is to leave everything at home and only wear black with a Guy Fawkes mask.
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u/Non_Invasive_Species Jan 12 '21
I remember reading about the cell phone tracing when Spring Breakers flooded Miami Beaches at the beginning of the pandemic. They were able to show how and where people dispersed to thereby potentially spreading the virus. Same thing here, tho it's probably highly refined data. Hopefully the piece of shit who bludgeoned the police officer (causing his death the next day) had their cell phone on them. The police WILL be able to narrow it down to a small list of potential murderers to investigate.
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u/Martine_V Jan 12 '21
This information was aggregated. They have the actual data, tracked by multiple cell towers and personally identifiable. Unless these idiots thought of turning off their phones altogether, they will be tagged as being there. And considering the number of selfies and live streaming, very few thought of it.
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u/Stohnghost Jan 12 '21
You think turning off the phone works? The battery is still connected! If they want your location, they can get it. A bigger problem will be refined geolocation data for a given device. If there were a dozen people in a given space they would all need to be questioned. Good detective work could uncover the true perpetrators.
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u/CShellyRun Jan 12 '21
DC Noire
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u/RobinGoodfell Jan 12 '21
Slap an unrealistic hacker interface on this, with some stylistic changes in atmosphere, and a decent soundtrack, and you could have one hell of a "Black Trench Coat" cyberpunk game.
We have more important stuff to deal with right now, but man alive I'd enjoy a mash-up between cyber espionage and 1920's Detective work.
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u/Sparticus2 Jan 12 '21
If they were in the building, they're guilty. There's no real debate. Additionally, I feel like the capitol at least has guest wifi. Unless you turn off your phone or at least the wifi setting, those routers and your phone are constantly talking even if not connected. Wifi is part of how stores know how many people visit and even where in the store they spend the most time.
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u/HumansDeserveHell Jan 12 '21
"guest wifi?" ...man ...it's DC. It's the Panopticon. Place is crisscrossed with microcells. Phones record more info when in airplane mode, not less :)
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u/snoogins355 Jan 12 '21
I'd imagine all the license plates of cars parked nearby (even at transit hubs), credit cards at hotels, etc.
A lot of people are about to have a bad time. Those no fly idiots are just the beginning. These cunts broke federal law
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u/RealGingerGeezer Jan 12 '21
They wouldn't turn off their phones. They had to read their commander's tweets. They found each other and they are indelibly linked through a shared narcissism. Narcissism trumps all.
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u/Martine_V Jan 12 '21
They only need to correlate with video evidence. Every inch of that place is under video surveillance.
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u/HumansDeserveHell Jan 12 '21
If your phone's actually off, it's not recording anything unless they use a specific set of exploit tools in realtime, contemporaneously. That would only have happened if the IC already had IDs on these people beforehand, and were doing active monitoring. That's not the case for 99.9999% of the crowd, certainly. Possible exeptions are the people the FBI visited beforehand and told not to go to the riot... but those might include leftists, too.
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u/Plantsandanger Jan 12 '21
I’m more concerned about the paramilitary terrorists who probably left their phone at home after going through the effort to buy a full set of tactical gear for their weekend warrior/Wednesday insurrection needs... although hopefully they’re as dumb as ziptie guy who hid his identity but came with his mom...
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u/niceville Jan 12 '21
I don't think his mom is what gave him away, it was being interviewed back at the hotel in the same gear but with his mask off (and his mom in the background).
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u/sub1ime Jan 12 '21
They can also show them that if they turned off the phone they will just go "okay you suddenly turn off your phone here before getting to the Capitol, then after the events your phone turns back on at this location" and they will use CCTV footage to show them walking in certain parts of DC, probably even show them from livestream footage or news clips since so much of it was recorded. like the guy said, maybe it will take weeks or months, but they will get them. it'll be a lot of work to get all the evidence against people, but it can be done with enough time.
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u/Martine_V Jan 12 '21
Exactly. Apparently, DC is one of the places with the heaviest concentration of cameras in the world. So between that the cell phones, they are going to have bullet-proof cases.
The entire internet is going over all the footage looking to identify people and providing the information to the FBI. I forgot how many tips the FBI has received but it numbers in the ten of thousands.
They pissed off an entire country. This is like 9/11 except that this wasn't done by terrorists far away. This time people can do something about it and they are doing it.
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u/Don_Tha_Con Jan 12 '21
I'm sure the vast majority didn't think that far ahead.
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u/BeepBeeepBeepBeep Jan 12 '21
Not surprising. They think that they are the good guys and they were coaxed into this by the president who they trust
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u/Don_Tha_Con Jan 12 '21
That last part is key, our president is encouraging this and he's soo smart in how he does it. He double speaks.
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u/chubbysumo Jan 12 '21
The best part, is that you don't even need to be the government to be able to do this. Walmart, Target, and every other single big box retailer turns on Wi-Fi and Bluetooth beaconing so that even if you do not connect to their Network, they can follow your phone through the store. They can see when you were there, where you went, and how long you were at each spot.
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u/armchair0pirate Jan 12 '21
Would that do anything if you have Wi-Fi and Bluetooth off?
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u/chubbysumo Jan 12 '21
The Bluetooth and Wi-Fi tracking no, but since most retail stores are giant Faraday cages, they set up cell phone repeaters with in their store, so that even if you aren't using their Wi-Fi, just being in the building means your phone connect to their cell tower instead of your carriers. They can see what goes through and who connects to those cellular repeater.
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u/snoogins355 Jan 12 '21
There's a company called Inrix that does some amazing analysis with the metadata for traffic data https://inrix.com/scorecard/
We literally use GPS for sooooo much
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u/Rpark444 Jan 12 '21
I'm in cybersecurity, this tracking by cell phone has been around for 20 years. Never bring your cell phone with your when u r comitting a crime.
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u/jmcdon00 Jan 12 '21
Not only will they get a list of suspects, they will also get a list of witnesses, many of whom likely took video that can be subpoenaed.
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u/PeeperGonToot Jan 12 '21
Thank you, now go take your seat
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u/dizekat Jan 12 '21
It's important, people think little of going to a restaurant and taking off their mask to eat (which is fine because some local republican government said it was fine), then walking around outside with a mask on and nobody nearby, to try to score themselves some safety points I guess to offset their restaurant risk. I literally seen that with my eyes.
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u/floatjoy Jan 12 '21
Credit to Malcolm Nance USN
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u/s1ugg0 Jan 12 '21
I'm a telecom engineer. Everything in this video is accurate. I even helped deploy a similiar system like that at the US State Department building on 21st Street a few years back.
God, what I wouldn't give to help the FBI run down these logs.
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u/maxpowersr Jan 12 '21
Lmao, they're all about to get a google monthly summary like... You went to Starbucks this month! And the gas station, your job, oh, and the fucking us capitol on January 6th!
Want to leave a review? Tell us how your visit to the US Capitol was? 5 stars?
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u/nfojones Jan 14 '21
I love that this isn't even hyperbole. Some of these folks took enough footage and pics they will absolutely be getting curated galleries and clip montages set to the tune of a Ukelele from Google Photos and the like. Reality continues to confirm its Black Mirror trajectory.
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u/ComradeRedHerring Jan 12 '21
The same way the virus is coming for them as well.......this is what happens when you don’t ‘believe’ in science, the people that try and understand it are better equipped to deal with your bullshit.
Couldn’t have happened to nicer people, I’m sure /s
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u/ocelot3000 Jan 12 '21
I really hope not for the sake of the other prisoners
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u/Ghstfce Fascist loofah-faced shitgibbon Jan 12 '21
Yeah, even though they're prisoners paying their sentence for their crimes they don't deserve that punishment.
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u/ClassicT4 Jan 12 '21
Man, it’s gonna be a stead IV drip of people facing their consequence all year, and I’m here for it.
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u/partyl0gic Jan 12 '21
And to think that these are the same people that cheered on the patriot act making the government acquisition of that data from ISPs totally legal, the irony is monumental
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u/karendonner Jan 12 '21
Using the Google "find my phone" function in Chrome accurately pinpoints my phone inside my house.Not only can I tell whether I left it in the kitchen or the den, I can tell if it's on the counter by the microwave or the bookcase by the fireplace.
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u/LowLeyMN Jan 12 '21 edited Jan 12 '21
Every phone has an IMEI number like a barcode that is unique to the particular phone and it’s subscriber...believe me when I tell you the FBI will most certainly find out every single IMEI number registered in the vicinity of the Capitol on January 6th. After that has been collected they will send en masse subpoenas for said unique identifiers to AT&T, Verizon, Cricket, TMobile all of them. That’s your starting list. The NSA has even more they can do as far as facial and voice recognition technologies we cannot fathom so my thoughts are everybody involved in the attempted coup will be found and held treasons actions. I believe this is just the tip of the iceberg and Biden is holding it close to vest as to calm Trump and make him believe he will get away with what he has done and then come January 20th at 12:00 PM that’s when the shitstorm comes in
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Jan 12 '21
This is a genuine question. When my phone is in airplane mode while I’m on a flight (ah the good old days), how then can both Google Maps and Snapchat track my dot on their maps while I’m in the air? Something must be giving off a signal?
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u/Ikulus Jan 12 '21
Airplane mode is concerned with radio transmissions. It disables Wi-Fi, mobile data and telephony, but the GPS antenna is still on.
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Jan 12 '21
Google has sensorvault and apple has an equivalent. Both enable geofence warrants for historical location data in an area to police.
They have that data regardless of scrambling mac addresses. (Also BT can't really be scrambled and have the connections work on a regular basis)
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u/Frog_Brother Jan 12 '21
Fuck I could watch network admins talk about how they catch American terrorists all day long I don’t give a fuck about subversive terrorist assholes.
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u/kenien Jan 12 '21
I don’t know why we’re not watching them catch domestic terrorists right now fuck
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u/CompSciGtr Jan 12 '21 edited Jan 12 '21
Not saying this isn't true, but if it is, why are they asking to ID people? It shouldn't take very long to get a list of names of people who were in the building between certain times of the day and get photos for each of them. Or am I missing something? I can't imagine any of them were smart enough to turn off their phones or not bring them at all.
Edit: I get that you want to do both. Thanks for all the responses to that effect. Hopefully the log file data will help ID the CFD guy that no one seems to have been able to ID yet. If he was anywhere near the Capitol with his phone, and that data leads to a name and then a face, it wouldn't be much longer before they can get a positive ID that way.
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u/floatjoy Jan 12 '21
Good question. Honestly it might be easier to ID them then to go through random logs and cross-reference etc. Plus they would start with the low hanging fruits that are easily identifiable through photo and video and then dig deeper into more obscure evidence imo
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u/Underfyre Jan 12 '21
Maybe to pull them off the streets sooner rather than later, with the grumblings of another event planned for later this month.
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u/sinepadnaronoh Jan 12 '21
It's this. The logging he describes is real, but it will take longer to sort those logs, remove all known entities (employees, gov officials, etc) confirm that the remaining device IDs do not contain an unknown device that belongs to someone who was in the previous list, (like say a senator has a burner phone, or an intern has their private phone which they do not conduct any official business on so it is not logged into the the wifi and there for not white listed etc) then begin going through the remaining device IDs and start matching those to individuals. Hell it took me longer to type that than it would take for someone's daughter who they kicked out of the house for being a lesbian to call the fbi and say "that's my mom,
name redacted. Yes I can confirm that" after recognizing their mom on YouTube.This post also paints with a broad brush. It would likely be 20 days minimum before anyone would be tracked down with a warrant based solely on those logs of devices that were present at the capital.
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I want to believe it doesn't take the FBI weeks to write the 200 lines of python to do what you've described.
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Jan 12 '21
I've had to do stuff like this for a previous job. Bash scripts make short work of this kind of problem. The main issue I've run into is verifying the data, if you need to be more thorough than manually checking a couple random records. If any of the data you're getting is garbage, that also throws a wrench in the works that you might not immediately notice(depending on your sample size) until you're working with the real data.
That said, your point is definitely valid. Redundency is valuable in this kind of situation.
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u/Czechs_out Jan 12 '21
Also, do they have to subpoena cell providers for their records?
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u/speedycat2014 Jan 12 '21
Probably, but I'm willing to bet the cell phone providers are already bundling up the information so it can be handed over as soon as they get the subpoena.
This is the kind of thing that phone companies will be bending over backwards to help the government with. Nobody with any intelligence wants to get caught on the wrong end of this investigation.
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Jan 12 '21
I think we can feel pretty assured that everyone on the wrong end of this investigation does not have intelligence.
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u/spazzycakes Jan 12 '21
Yes, it requires a subpoena. Patriot Act subpoenas are quick and easy to obtain, but it is less work in the end to allow the public to identify as any of the idiots as possible first.
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u/xftwitch Jan 12 '21
They can get the IMEI of every phone in the building that day. I'm sure they already have it. Just waiting for the hammer to fall.
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u/Don_Tha_Con Jan 12 '21
I'm pretty confident not only do they need to create subpoenas for the cell provider data, they need to do that for every single person.
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u/Algernons__Florist Jan 12 '21
Why not let the public fill in some blanks while you do other things? I'm sure you could just scrape the names from tips given, grab the top two or three if there is more than one given for any single photo, then investigate which person it is. Aside from guys like Via Getty I'm sure if more than one person says the suspect in the photo is john doe, it probably is.
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u/shalafi71 Jan 12 '21
Fair question! Have a vote for asking what's on many minds. My counter question would be, "Why NOT?"
If you had all the tech in the world to ID people, why not ask the public for further help? Doesn't cost a dime to ask. Sure, costs to sift through the extra data but what law enforcement/prosecutor doesn't want extra data? It's a no-brainer move on their part.
And they've already captured/ID'd people just for asking. Easy money!
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u/bananafor Jan 12 '21
Plausible deniability. They'd rather say someone identified you than admit they know where you are all the time, because of the chip in your pocket.
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u/niceville Jan 12 '21
It's an easier case, and faster. "Your cell phone was there, so we assume you were there. Here are the 5 pieces of evidence that prove you were in DC with your phone that day/week." versus "We know you were there. Your ex-wife saw your photo."
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u/Grand_Economist Jan 12 '21
did you get a good look at some of the people who attended this treasonous event? I would bet some of these people do not own toothbrushes let alone smart phones.
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u/Catharas Jan 12 '21
To get a warrant for their cell phone data, they need to present evidence to a judge regarding specific people. Then they go to the phone companies with a warrant for a specific number or name. Plus they need to identify who is doing what particular crimes in the videos.
All the people complaining about the surveillance state are missing that there are legal requirements and safeguards for this kind of thing.
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u/Ex-maven Justice alleviates a guilty mind Jan 12 '21
It could be that many of these fools committed acts that were particularly agregious and/or violent such that they want to pick them up first -- and since many of them moved in large groups, separating a particular person of interest from the group using phone data would likely be difficult.
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u/Ghstfce Fascist loofah-faced shitgibbon Jan 12 '21
- While they can do it all themselves, having more manpower = faster results. Wouldn't you want these people caught with help in hours/days rather than weeks/months without it, where they might plan and carry out another attack?
- Civilians can come across means of finding people that law enforcement has to jump through procedure to ascertain. Like asking for eye witnesses or canvassing an area for information. This is no different than posting a video of a crime or asking people in an area to come forward if they have any information of a missing person. Civilians may see/hear things that law enforcement cannot. Standard procedure.
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u/veggeble Jan 12 '21
These people are planning more violence in the next couple of days. They need to arrest the bigger threats as soon as possible. Working down the list of everyone who made it inside would be slow.
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u/giddeonfox Jan 12 '21
There is a immediate demand for accountability. They want heads and the public wants them almost a week ago. This other process will take a little time with warrants and investigation to build a rock solid case before they arrest. One way is way way faster (the legal part nicely gift wrapped) the other will have to follow a very strict process.
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u/xooxanthellae Jan 12 '21
It's not enough to just have a list of who was there, they need to correlate it to the videos of who committed the most egregious crimes.
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u/austinmcortez Jan 12 '21
“Hey that guy you’re looking for, Joe Dumbass, he’s on the corner of 5th and High St. right now, I just saw him.” FBI already has the necessary data, but if they can get any more accurate tips on exact location of anyone, any tips to make the job of tracking down thousands of people, you better believe they’re going to take it.
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u/ay-papy Jan 12 '21
I think it would take a bit more time to identify everyone with that. And you can filter the numbers of those peoples already identified out to focus on those numbers of peoples that still aren't. I can testify you that this option is real but not sure if they're willing to use that, but guess they will do
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u/Don_Tha_Con Jan 12 '21 edited Jan 12 '21
Well first off the logging devices caputre EVERYTHING and I do mean everything. Now a lot of people where in the building for legit reasons (think congress people, their aides, security, lobbyist, etc) so they need to figure out which devices belonged to people who were supposed to be there.
Then they need to get warrants to cross reference the data.
Also you add in the complication of what if a govt employee say brought in his sons Ipad for the day and forgot to mention it? Ok awesome well now they have that ipad which isn't on the list of approved devices so they gotta sort through cases like that.
By going off of cameras its a lot faster.
Also they could use the data to confirm identity. Like say we catch suspect A, and he says he wasn't there. Awesome we pull the ID off his phone, cross reference it with the log data and we can go to court and say "Suspect A says he wasn't there, and sure the picture isn't that great, but his phone was there"
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u/jmcdon00 Jan 12 '21
Mostly they are looking for the people who committed violent acts or vandalism. While the people that just walked in and took selfies are probably a lower priority. The cell data wouldn't distinguish between the two but eye witnesses can. Of course when it comes to prosecuting you want all the possible evidence.
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u/Kiltymchaggismuncher Jan 12 '21
Cell companies don't have photos of their customers. And considering there are thousands of people nearby, and correlating that information is time intensive, it's much easier to put their photos out there. Even if they get the number, pass it to the cell company, then check their own records for that individual (which could take weeks, start to finish) its not a given that you will correctly identify the individual. Maybe the company didn't have enough info to narrow John Smith down from half a million others in the country. Maybe the individual doesn't have a government photo ID. Maybe the photos the government hold are old and don't look like the individual anymore. Maybe the person didn't even own a mobile phone because they think cell signals will turn their goldfish gay. Some might have known enough to turn airplane mode on. I never leave Bluetooth on because its a security risk, and it drains the battery like a bitch. It's range is pretty limited as well. Modern phones tend to spoof their mac address (identifies your device) when you connect to a wireless network so good luck identifying them that way. The cell signal is really the best bet out of the 3. Depending on the range that the capital buildings equipment can pick up on, it may be a little more difficult to weed out those that remained outside versus those that stormed it as well. If they give 10,000 numbers to a mobile provider, they won't be getting a response that quickly.
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u/Ziltoid_The_Nerd Jan 12 '21
Not enough to get a conviction by itself. Some of you in this thread asking, "if it's so easy why are they asking for help IDing people?"
Because IDing people proves that person was there. Phone data only proves your phone was there... and even the validity of that is under question. Using phone data as evidence to just aid in a prosecution is controversial and under scrutiny already.
Use your head, folks. I know we want as many of these people as possible caught but this isn't a realistic solution.
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u/orchid-walkeriana Jan 12 '21
They can also track your phone turned off haha! Telecom to the rescue!
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u/lemon_meringue Jan 12 '21
I mean, yeah
The people worried about Bill Gates using vaccinations to install tracking devices slay me. It's seriously such a smooth brain theory.
Like anyone would need to go to the incredible lengths of creating a plague and rushing a vaccine to do that, while in the meantime everyone in the world is lining up to pay 900 bucks to buy the latest edition of their own personal tracking device.
I'm not saying that's happening, but it's a side effect of what definitely IS happening (which is that soon more people will own cell phones than have indoor plumbing)
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u/Don_Tha_Con Jan 12 '21
I used to work in advertising. The level of targetting I had at my finger tips was concerning at times. I would have to imagine the level of intel Govt has, has got to be greater.
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u/4Plus20MakesHappy Jan 12 '21
Despite the blatant white privilege in the police handling of the Capitol riot and the lack of arrests, there’s a special kind of satisfaction and justice from knowing that the asshole rioters will get to think they got away with it for days, weeks or months before getting arrested.
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u/nightofgrim Jan 12 '21
Don’t spread this! They have more riots planned and their ignorance is important.
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u/AnaiekOne Jan 12 '21
there are two sides to that - if they dont' have their phones anyone who isn't trained on a radio (and let's be real, those bands are going to be blocked or monitored) they wont' be able to organize on site.
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u/yellekc Jan 12 '21
Agreed, lets them keep making mistakes. This announcement does no good.
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Jan 12 '21
They believe Trump is the second coming of Jesus and the whole entire kidnapping ring. I don’t think we have to suddenly worry about them figuring out real information
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u/jc840 Jan 12 '21
Also gps on phones - yep.
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u/TwistedSoul21967 Jan 12 '21
You're correct, GPS by itself won't help, it's a one way broadcast received by your phone.
But your GPS location can (depending on our settings) be reported from your phone to your account provider, i.e. Google or Apple for example or some other location logging service like health/fitness trackers like Samsung or Garmin.
If they suspect you to have been in the area, they can subpoena that info from the companies to get your exact location for the past few months I dare say, depending on how long the company holds it for,
Google has my location history spanning back years that I can go back and look at.
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u/labadee Jan 12 '21 edited Jan 12 '21
Couldn’t they argue they gave the phone to someone else? You’d have to prove they were physically there though I would’ve imagine.
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u/twogoodius Jan 12 '21
fun isn't something one considers during the fallout of a terrorist attack
but this does put a smile on my face
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Jan 12 '21
the ones who were smart (probably not a lot of em, but these will be the most insidious) will have left their phones in their hotels. These are the ones we genuinely want to catch.
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u/aliendude5300 Jan 13 '21
Completely baffling they took videos of them breaking into the capitol on their phones. If they were smarter they wouldn't even bring phones with them. Too incriminating.
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u/outtatimeouttaluck1 Jan 12 '21
man i love the technocratic surveillance state!! hooray for the patriot act!!!
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u/ketchupnsketti Jan 12 '21
This really isn’t any of those things. This is just an inherent side effect of running your own complex private network providing these features.
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u/BuyNanoNotBitcoin Jan 12 '21
But this is literally a government run network within a government building.
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u/Noblesseux Jan 12 '21
Yeah literally even schools do this. The college I work at has a bunch of these boosters in the basement because otherwise phones wouldn’t work. It’s just a cool side effect that in this case it fucks over some dummies.
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u/snoogins355 Jan 12 '21
More likely "Why can't I use my fucking cell phone in the capitol? It's 2015!!!!" upgrade.
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u/Don_Tha_Con Jan 12 '21
I mean, to be fair a lot of what this guy is bringing up is a result of being inside a Govt building...
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u/kashuntr188 Jan 12 '21
i feel like these secrets shouldn't really be shared. next time they all gonna be bringing burning phones.
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u/weirdoldhobo1978 Jan 12 '21
It's not really a secret, BLM spent the whole summer publicly telling people not to bring their phones to protests if they could help it for exactly this reason. The insurrectionists are just too stupid to listen. Also burner phones can be traced back to their point of purchase, which still gives the FBI and place and a time where you were.
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u/DaGhostQc Jan 12 '21
Well, it's kinda hard to hold a burning phone and if it's in your pocket, then you'll burn too.
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u/frankieknucks Jan 12 '21
gleefully saying “they’re coming for you” Isn’t really a good look, even if they are coming for you.
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u/agk23 Jan 12 '21
Police have been known to use "Stingrays" (fake cell towers) for 15 years now. Even with a warrant, all cell phones connect to it, not just the intended target. I think generally the 4th amendment line was drawn around requesting cell providers to de-anonymize the cell phones that connect to it.
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u/TwistedSoul21967 Jan 12 '21
You can build your own cell tower at home for about $450 and log every single cell phone that tries to talk to it.
https://hackaday.com/2016/04/08/build-your-own-gsm-base-station-for-fun-and-profit/
Law enforcement agencies can access cell tower data through subpoenas.
Also Android, Windows and iOS all use WiFi/Bluetooth devices around you to give better approximate locations when GPS signal maybe weak,
Android for example has Google Location Accuracy: https://support.google.com/android/answer/3467281?hl=en#zippy=%2Cwhen-google-location-accuracy-is-on
When you have Google Location Accuracy turned on, your phone uses these sources to get the most accurate location:
GPS
Wi-Fi
Mobile networks
Sensors
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u/theotterway Jan 12 '21
Those who were there should be investigated, but there is a difference between remaining outside and being inside the Capitol. Can they tell if someone was on the grounds as opposed to in the Capitol?
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u/teddy5 Jan 12 '21
With multiple towers they'll be able to triangulate it exactly.
That said, waiting outside while your mates try to stage a coup doesn't exactly make it better.
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u/Jkillaforilla90 Jan 12 '21
Been to international airport with Bluetooth beaconing. Shit is hella accurate.
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u/popebarley Jan 12 '21
...okay, but why the Steven Universe theme?
"We...
...are treasonous dregs
We'll always spoil your day
And if legally we can't,
We'll do it anyway!
That's why the people of this world
are grieving
For reason, sanity, and good ...impeach him!"
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u/Kelutauro Jan 12 '21
This isn't something to be celebrated. The government 100% uses the same technology to track BLM activists and other left activists. We cannot let our emotions bring us to the point of endorsing and enabling more government surveillance.
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u/FoxFourTwo Jan 12 '21
I wish this could be sent out via the presidential emergency phone thing. Would be fun to see the nationwide reaction.
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u/DrJamey Jan 12 '21
These n00bs seriously didn't realize that you should spend $30 on a burner phone, if you're going to a protest?
smh
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u/baddashfan Jan 12 '21
I know what my 1 wish would be. I wish everything he just said would be true!
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u/Oz_of_Three Jan 12 '21
Judging from the thumbnail:
"It's all done using your giant face... "
squish-sqiush squee
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u/Abby_BumbleBee Jan 12 '21
I appreciate that this guy managed to match his shirt to his exact eye colour.
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u/i_fuck_single_moms Jan 12 '21
yeah capitol people are fucks but it's also kind of fucked how we all voluntarily big brothered ourselves through the magic of consumer capitalism.
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u/BCKPFfNGSCHT Jan 12 '21
Serious question: what happens to those who went with the expressed intent of documenting the events unfolding, and did not participate in the violence or even enter the Capitol?
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u/presidentialsteal Jan 13 '21
I can tell you that with open source software and a minimal amount of equipment(< $100), you too can log WiFi and bluetooth devices without any of them actually connecting.
The cellular side of it is much more expensive, but also doable.
The veracity of this is solid.
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u/SvendG Jan 12 '21
y'all qaeda dude goes: "bs! they can't track me, I didn't get the Bill Gates vaccination shot"