Life is about survival. Once you've figured that out and you have the want and time then sure pursue happiness.
Modern generations think it's priority one because things are a lot easier now. They don't realize that we're 1 significant world war or natural disaster from having to find fresh water and hunt.
Let the Internet, water supply, or electricity go out nationwide for a week or two and see if happiness is still the first priority.
You do know what a right is, ye? It means something you are permitted by default? The right to the pursuit of happiness doesn't mean "Eh, once you're 65 and all your best labor years are behind you, maybe you can try and be happy in life." The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness means that it should be the goal of a nation that your right to try to live in a way that makes you happy be as universally permitted as your right to live at all. To say otherwise is thinking in reverse.
But I'm getting the feeling I'm talking to this sub's subject, not its intended audience.
I'm just telling you what life is about. Survival.
Also the founding fathers aren't the end all be all. Just 7 old white dudes that would have thought I was a slave. That's also in a document written for one country on the planet.
My advice works for ANYONE ANYWHERE. Not just Americans.
We all need food, water, and shelter to (wait for it...) SURVIVE.
You can not live off of happiness. It is secondary. Once you have figured out how to survive then and only then do you get a chance at pursuing happiness.
Lol this is why depression, anxiety, and suicide rates are so high. You all think life is about happiness so when you find out that it's not you don't know how to move forward.
You need a significant other, you need children, you need to work, you need to be a productive member of society. Happiness is optional.
See I thought you were on a point about Maslow's hierarchy of needs and that... Kinda, made sense, afterall, you're right, you can't live off happiness but you also aren't going to be happy if your basic needs aren't met. On the flip side, once you obtain a basic need (example, buying a house and having a stable living situation) you're going to be happy. Survival and happiness are linked because success releases dopamine. What you're talking about is satisfaction and contentment, living up to your full potential, a life well lived, well fought, and one you worked hard for, THAT is optional. And THAT doesn't (nessicarily) come from any of this:
You need a significant other, you need children, you need to work, you need to be a productive member of society. Happiness is optional.
No. Just, no. Because you don't actually care about the individuals survival, clearly, you care about societies survival as a whole. You DO NOT need children or to be a "productive member of society" to be happy, much less survive. However, for society to continue on, you need to. Personally, I don't give a shit about our society and having kids would make me miserable, so by "surviving" I'd be making my life hell. How many other people feel this way but instead they focus on following the rules of survival? How many end up so miserable that they make fun of random strangers for being scared of the dark?
You talked about how everyone grew up thinking life was about being happy and, when they found out it wasn't, it lead to mass depression and anxiety. I'd argue it's the opposite, I grew up thinking life would only ever be survival and, at 20, when I realized it didn't have to be that way, my depression anxiety cured itself (okay, fine, it was the Adderall for my ADHD). BUT it wasn't until I stopped caring about societies version of survival that I actually started to have some fun.
This guy's comments scream of "I was forced to live this way so everyone else needs to as well". Probably secretly gets angry when he sees someone younger who's happy with life and living just fine, so the only way he can cope is by doubling down that he's right and they're wrong.
I'm retired in my early 30s and happy. My wife and children are happy. The animals on my Ranch are happy. All because I knew that life was about survival.
This is what I'm talking about. You are in that position because capitalism was good to you. Plenty of people work as hard as you did and end up way worse than you.
I'm disabled and my life is shit. If there was no happiness in my life I'd rather be dead. For a lot of people happiness is what makes life worth living, surviving just for the sake of living Is misery.
Happiness is the light at the end of the tunnel to head towards. Obviously survival is along that path but it's not the only goal. I'm fully willing to concede that in a vacuum the primary goal of life is survival but it's ridiculous to imply it's the only one that matters. Haven't you heard of Maslow's hierarchy of needs?
Okay. Capitalism was good. Let's say that is true. It doesn't change my argument.
You being disabled is not the norm. Your life and perspective is not the norm. As a whole ir doesn't really matter. We use the majority to give things not the few exceptions l.
I actually agree with your points, and they remind me of a Schopenhauer quote I thought would be worth sharing:
"There is only one inborn error, and that is the notion that we exist in order to be happy... So long as we persist in this inborn error... the world seems to us full of contradictions. For at every step, in things great and small, we are bound to experience that the world and life are certainly not arranged for the purpose of maintaining a happy existence... hence the countenances of almost all elderly persons wear the expression of what is called disappointment."
Really mad? That's a reach. I'm not cursing or anything. Upset maybe and that's only after people commented that I'm wrong. I'm not.
And it's not about marriage itself. It's the concept of life. It's about survival and not being happy. Marriage is just apart of that and happens to be the subject here.
We need someone to spend our lives with and to have children with. That is usually associated with marriage.
I disagree but I’m not fit to have children and I don’t really care about others or like continuing the human race or like those kinds of “responsibilities” in general. So that’s my take on that.
Also I’m pretty sure we can just make humans and raise them without marriages. I mean how long has marriages even been a thing? (Don’t answer this question, I don’t actually care.)
If you're not fit you're not fit. Nothing wrong with that
I'm not saying you NEED to be married. I don't care for a piece of paper. I said it's just usually associated with having a significant other and raising children.
My argument is that life is about survival and NOT happiness. Now can you pursue happiness while surviving? Of course. But it should not be your first priority. Older generations knew and understood that.
Modern generations don't. Finding happiness is pushed from birth so it's pretty disappointing when they find out that it's only about survival. Then comes depression.
do you live in the wilderness away from society? If not I highly doubt your survival is at risk. We're generally moving beyond those concerns as a species. It's not really a day to day concern
Yes I do no now. Bought a ranch in the middle of nowhere over a year ago.
I was an Intelligence analyst and software dev for the past ~14yrs.
That's the thing. You're too comfortable. You don't realize how close we are to those concerns. I've been to modern war torn countries and 3rd world countries.
Our species hasn't moved that far at all. The internet just makes it seem that way.
If another major country decides to start WWIII or there's a significant nation wide natural disaster we'll be back to killing for food and water in 2 weeks.
I’d honestly argue that modern generations aren’t so different and I don’t think as many are looking for happiness as you claim either. But then again all I have is anecdotes.
Also I wonder if what you said is true. I mean can we prove it? What older generations specifically would your claim apply to? Don’t feel like you need to answer these questions. I just think we spend too much time talking about this and that generation and painting so broadly.
I mean the current internet is a sales and advertising machine meant to keep people addicted anyway it can. Rage, doom, and more. I just think that while things are fucked up. We’re no better or worse then before. We’re just like stupid people made of mostly water and we can like travel by explosions. It’s not so bad even if we all also suck.
Sorry man, but in a society where I can be allowed to marry someone of the same sex, are you implying that my way of life is inferior to yours simply because I haven't suffered enough in your eyes? Even then, what's stopping me from simply hooking up with women to get them pregnant, skipping the marriage process?
We have roughly 8.7 million species on this planet and almost all of them have the same purpose including humans. Survive to reproduce and raise offspring so that they can do the same thing.
Nature tells us why we're here and has been telling us for millions of years and ~8 million different ways.
We have a need to eat, drink, and have sex. It hasn't changed. All of a sudden within the last 20 years or so, mostly in America, life is now about finding happiness? Lol no.
Finding happiness just sounds good to children and adults who want the survival to be done for them.
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u/TOPSIturvy Apr 10 '24
Ah yes, my favorite doctrine from the founding fathers:
"None are endowed with rights. They must seek to earn the privileges of: Life, ...and that's it."