r/worldnews • u/DomesticErrorist22 • 1d ago

Preliminary investigation confirms Russian missile caused Azerbaijan Airlines crash Russia/Ukraine

https://www.euronews.com/2024/12/26/exclusive-preliminary-investigation-confirms-russian-missile-over-grozny-caused-aktau-cras
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u/Tomek_xitrl 1d ago

This is better for Russia in the end. It'll be an even bigger show of Russian power and international cowardice when there are 0 consequences.

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u/EasternEagle6203 1d ago

It's not good for Russian propaganda that they shot down their own civilians in their own airspace.

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u/ButtPlugForPM 1d ago

Lol like they will even know

Russian state tv is already laying the groundwork,saying it was ukraine mate.

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u/chillebekk 1d ago

They're going to say it collided with a Ukrainian drone. Calling it now.

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u/Monifufka 1d ago

People that believe in their propaganda already lost connection to the reality and will believe in anything Russia tells them.

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u/withpatience 1d ago

How is shooting down a civilian passenger jet a show of power?

At best it's incompetence, at worse, malice.

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u/Homersarmy41 1d ago

Because they have no consequences. Thats the power. Nobody but Ukraine is going to hit them back and its somehow a debate on whether we should support Ukraine or not.

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u/Geo_NL 1d ago

Sadly so. This has already been proven. Reminder: MH17, back in 2014. The deliberate shooting down of a large airliner, by Russia. Only thing that happened so far was the conviction of a few people we are unable to get to prison anyway.

This has especially been painful for the Netherlands since a majority of the people onboard were Dutch families.

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u/TheArbiterOfOribos 1d ago

The deliberate shooting down of a large airliner,

I'm quite sure it was total incompetence rather than deliberate. They still covered it up of course.

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u/ChauvinistPenguin 1d ago

Their own citizens were on the flight - could you imagine if the military of a western country downed a plane? There'd be protests for weeks.

Will the Russians protest? I doubt it.

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u/Homersarmy41 1d ago

They know that if they start a mass protest they have to go all the way and take it all down or they will individually be grabbed off the streets and end up falling out of a window. They dont have the guts to stand up for themselves anymore. They just let Putin take all their men and send them to death. Pathetic for a country who prides themselves on being so tough that one little man keeps them hiding in their holes.

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u/Top_Chard788 1d ago

You’re immature if you think Putin is running Russia alone. lol 

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u/Homersarmy41 1d ago

Lol. Lol. Lol. Why do people come on here not to have an actual conversation but to just say “youre wrong..lol”? Just dont bother replying.

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u/Top_Chard788 1d ago

You said Russia is being run by “one little man” and that’s ridiculous to think 146 million people are being ruled by a single man. He has an army, he has his inner circle of whoever he hasn’t had fall off a roof yet. It’s not just Putin. 

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u/ItsFisterRoboto 1d ago

Do you honestly not understand that those people answer to Putin? That's what "ruler" means in this context. Putin is in charge and the people under him do as instructed. If they don't do as instructed then they fall out the windows you mentioned.

There are absolutely others complicit in the oppression, but that doesn't stop Putin being the one in charge. That's literally how dictatorships work.

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u/Top_Chard788 1d ago

Um, no shit?

But for the commenter to imply that Russians are lame asses bc they let “one little man” rule their nation, is immature.

Yes, I know how a dictatorship works. 

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u/solarcat3311 1d ago

If there isn't protest in Russians, it'd be an even larger display of power.

"We can kill citizens of any nation and face no consequences from any nation"

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u/No-Pilot-8870 1d ago

That's another show of power is it not? People that are fully subjugated.

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u/Scavenged1312Item 1d ago

Protest? Ask Alexei Navalny how that works out.

It's either revolution or nothing.

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u/Dalnore 1d ago

Those Russians who could protest already know that Russia as a state is more than willing to kill all of them, and not just by gross incompetence, but completely intentionally.

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u/Exhausted-Otter 1d ago

The United States has downed a civilian airliner. There was backlash at home sure, but nothing compared to that abroad. The US is yet to properly apologize.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

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u/jeremy9931 1d ago

Tbf though, the US while not admitting fault, did not attempt to cover it up and paid money to the families of all on board which is far more than you’ll ever see Russia agree to do.

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u/Exhausted-Otter 1d ago

Yes that’s fair. I was merely pointing out that such incidents are not limited to states such as Russia, Iran, and Belarus

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u/grey_carbon 1d ago

Besides the lack of apologies (for military and strategic reason), EEUU took responsibility in a economic and diplomatic way. Not perfect but somehow acceptable.

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u/Cheech47 1d ago

Not perfect is an understatement. If I lost my family member in an "accidental" shootdown and the American government just gave me $416K (in 2023 dollars, that's the settlement divided by 290) and told me they disavow all involvement, that feels like another slap in the face.

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u/Bacardio 1d ago

Once worked with a guy who was neighbors with the Captain of the naval vessel that shot that airline down. Heard quite a story of the whole episode. Always hoped to hear more from the international community, that would confirm or deny the story. But as others have said, it became a footnote really quick.

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u/doctorlongghost 1d ago

I hate to say it but this really isn’t a big deal. This happens often enough that it has its own Wikipedia page going back to the 1930s: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliner_shootdown_incidents

Almost 100 years of this happening at this point. Even the US has done it.

There will be no consequences for this because there is a long precedent of these accidents causing tensions but then being forgotten about. Until it happens again.

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u/DarthPatches_Returns 1d ago

Bro this is a huge fucking deal, that’s why it is number 1 national news and you never hear of this happening - you work for the Kremlin?? Like that wasn’t even a good troll attempt, did they reduce your salary?

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u/__I_use_arch_btw__ 1d ago

This is at least the 2nd time russia has done this in the last 5 years.

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u/doctorlongghost 1d ago

You’re hilarious. Someone says something you disagree with and they’re automatically a Russian troll.

Are the Russian trolls in the room with us right now?

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u/DarthPatches_Returns 1d ago

You’re defending Russia after they shot down a civilian airliner.

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u/doctorlongghost 1d ago

I’m not defending anything. I’m just saying it’s not a big deal diplomatically. This has happened before and there have been minimal consequences. It’s not as rare as we would like it to be.

I’m not saying it should be that way but it is. See if anything happens out of this and then we’ll see who’s right.

This may be hard for you to accept but people can have opposing viewpoints without being on the payroll of a foreign country.

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u/DarthPatches_Returns 1d ago

Ok dude this is a huge deal haha

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u/MoffKalast 1d ago

I'm really surprised this one isn't on the list yet. Wikipedia usually prides itself for changing "is" into "was" in under 10 nanoseconds when people die.

They've been slacking, tsk tsk.

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u/Lil-Leon 1d ago

Even if it’s obvious what happened right now, Wikipedia don’t like adding things without concrete sources and evidence. They’ll prefer to wait until further into the investigation than just the preliminary one before adding it to the page I’m thinking.

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u/Zimakov 1d ago

You don't have to imagine, it happens all the time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliner_shootdown_incidents

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u/Killerfisk 1d ago

About 1 shootdown every other year it seems, and about 0 times a year by western countries.

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u/Free-Afternoon-2580 1d ago

Aren't the consequences that they further become a pariah that everyone avoids?

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u/Homersarmy41 1d ago

They still have allies and support after all of this shit theyve done in the last decade. It might be North Korea and Iran but they arent out of allies yet. China and India still do business there. Until they scare off China and India then they really dont need the rest of the world to maintain their terrorist state.

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u/jmorlin 1d ago

Assuming this was a shootdown (and all evidence is starting to point that direction) this is the third time in the last 10 or so years they've shot down a civilian airliner. Add in the whole war with Ukraine and it's not like there's much more they can do to damage their reputation with the west aside from maybe escalating to use of nuclear weapons.

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u/DonniesAdvocate 1d ago

What consequences should there be?

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u/Soundwave_13 1d ago

Exactly this...

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u/IEatLamas 1d ago

I just wish we could cut all ties - zero trade, zero flights, no visas granted and so on. Let the people of Russia know that something happened through our actions, without sending rockets.

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u/withpatience 1d ago

So, let's say, I steal money from a children's charity fund. And no one holds me accountable.

Does that mean I'm powerful, or just a shitty person.

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u/truffle-tots 1d ago

It means both. You have the power to do what you want and get away with it without repercussion, but you'd also be a shitty person for doing it.

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u/amobilephoneaccount 1d ago

Both; and your inability to see that is shocking.

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u/FactOrFactorial 1d ago

It shows you can do it again with impunity

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u/alspender 1d ago

Imputiny

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u/plisovyi 1d ago

If everybody knows about it but still shakes your hand and does business with you it is power. Power to make you both shitty people but power nevertheless

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u/Cortical 1d ago

If you do it and nobody knows and thus no one holds you accountable it doesn't mean you're powerful it just means you're sneaky (and a shitty person)

but if you do and everybody knows and no one holds you accountable, then yes, you're powerful, because nobody dares touch you even though you did a really really shitty thing.

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u/PaleontologistHot73 1d ago

Both.

But let’s say you encourage an insurrection on the day congress is supposed to certify an election, and no one hold you accountable.

Its not rocket surgery.

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u/sinus86 1d ago

It means You're President of The United States

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u/FilthyPedant 1d ago

Elon stole from a children's charity?

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u/dobryden22 1d ago

Apparently only military responses from NATO are consequences in 2024. /s

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u/withpatience 1d ago

Yeah, I don't see why people think Russia is getting away from this consequence free.

Just because NATO might not get involved doesn't mean there aren't consequences.

Diminished respect on the world stage, and embarrassment from the Russian people who read what their country did.

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u/aberdasherly 1d ago

You are delusional thinking that the Russian populace is going to believe their government shot down another civilian airliner….

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u/FilthyPedant 1d ago

Glorious Russian missile downed by civilian airliner

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u/aberdasherly 1d ago

Victory!

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u/withpatience 1d ago

What about Russians not living in Russia anymore?

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u/Collab- 1d ago

Turn a blind eye to it like everything already, why aren’t they protesting in Russia

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u/LawrenceMoten21 1d ago

Russians are not going to hear about this, at least without a Russian spin.

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u/StoreSearcher1234 1d ago edited 1d ago

Diminished respect on the world stage

Russia's respect on the world stage is gone - So there is nothing to diminish.

And the handful of nations that still respect Russia will not alter their respect one iota after this. I mean Russia is bombing childrens' hospitals. You really think shooting down a regional jet will alter the opinion of their allies?

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u/Collab- 1d ago

You must live under a rock

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u/gmotelet 1d ago

Quite possibly means you were at one time a quarterback for the Packers

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u/Top_Chard788 1d ago

It depends on if you ask a good man, or Andrew Tate. 

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u/iLL-Egal 1d ago

So Trump.

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u/HuntsWithRocks 1d ago edited 1d ago

Rhetorical question: if the world’s strongest man grabs someone’s head and crushes it, does it mean they’re powerful or that they’re just a dick?

The word “power” has more meaning than just physical strength. Someone can be both powerful and have malice.

If they know they can do shit without consequence because everyone is afraid, most would say that’s a form of power.

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u/withpatience 1d ago

No, that doesn't mean they're powerful. It takes 10lbs of force to crush a skull. Anyone could do it.

It means that they are murderous and don't value human life.

We need to ask why this person crushed my skull. Because maybe they felt threatened? Or they are mentally unbalanced.

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u/HuntsWithRocks 1d ago

I honestly wrote too much, the last bit says it all.

If someone knows they can act without consequence, that’s a form of power. It’s pretty straight forward.

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u/DCS_Sport 1d ago

What consequences would you like to see? I agree Russia is an absolute shithole and keeps doing heinous acts, but besides all our war, what is your expectation?

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u/Homersarmy41 1d ago

What else is left? We can expand support to Ukraine and allow unlimited attacks within Russian borders. Naval blockades, no fly zones, trade embargo….plenty of ways to still hurt them. What the west is really worried about is upsetting the flow of petroleum and natural gas. The rest of the world would have to suffer a bit and deal with some higher prices til we starve them out but its totally possible to do.

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u/zzubnik 1d ago

Stop all western companies doing business inside Russia. Cut all Internet cables going in. Close all their embassies world-wide, close the borders. Isolate. Not possible, I know but what else can we do?

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u/Bakagami- 1d ago

All out war. Russia is a cancer to the world, and they've made it clear they won't stop destabilizing the world unless their government is forced out. We can either keep pretending it'll solve itself and living in fantasy land until the problems become unsurmountable, or NATO does its fucking job

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u/antaran 1d ago

So, have you already signed up for the army?

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u/Bakagami- 1d ago

hello russian troll, nice day isn't it?

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u/pathofdumbasses 1d ago

Asking a war hawk if they signed up for the war they are hawking is a fair question.

And check my post history. I'm neither Russian nor a troll. War is a big fucking deal and calling for it from the safety of your home while it would never directly affect you is some chicken shit. So answer the question, are you prepared to fight and/or die over this?

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u/Cowboytron 1d ago

10 years served during the Cold War. In my 50s. You're fucking right I'd re-up to fight those Russian cunts.

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u/Cowboytron 1d ago edited 1d ago

10 years served during the Cold War. In my 50s. You're fucking right I'd re-up to fight those Russian cunts. Edit: I almost forgot: SLAVA UKRAINI.

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u/pathofdumbasses 1d ago

And that is fine and fair.

While putins Russia is a war crime and despotic dictatorship, it's another thing to call for war when you will have 0 skin in that war. I hope that makes sense.

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u/Bakagami- 1d ago

Very well. I'm a poor peasant from a NATO country in my early twenties. One of the NATO countries that'd probably suffer larger casualties on that. Military service is mandatory for every able male here, and it isn't unlikely I'd get drafted.

Now, what do you think I'd be hoping for? To settle things while we're strong and united, or cover up cowardly like everyone in the west is doing, until we're slowly broken apart from within? Yeah, fuck that. There's times when we've got to step the fuck up.

Why is it always us who have to be careful not to escalate things? Man these motherfkers downed a commercial plane of our closest allies, and we're supposed to shrug it off?

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u/pathofdumbasses 1d ago

A) everyone has shot down a commercial plane. Even the US

B)I'm not saying we shouldn't escalate, up to and including war because Russia under putin is just awful for global security and a bunch if other reasons. What I'm saying is that it is easy for people to call for war when it doesn't affect them.

See chicken hawks

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenhawk_(politics)

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u/Scitiloproftnuocca 1d ago

Multiple tours USAF, too old and broken to man anything but a desk now. Also think Russia won't stop until someone gives them an actual black eye.

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u/LadderDownBelow 1d ago

Wait, no, that's for other people to do.

They got their own wars to fight from an armchair and keyboard lmao

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u/DarthPatches_Returns 1d ago

Yea that’s the general of the USMC you’re talking to

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u/Rand_University81 1d ago

You are talking out of your ass.

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u/Homersarmy41 1d ago

Wow! What a reply! Good point! Thanks for your input. So helpful. I looked at your past comments. Why are you on reddit? You have nothing to say but just insults and mindless replies. Why dont you take a year off and do some reading and maybe you will have something to contribute.

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u/Rand_University81 1d ago

What do you want me to say, you are making shit up as you go.

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u/itsthenoise 1d ago

Same old Russian sh*tshow shambles

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u/LucidiK 1d ago

If you can effectively be waging war and the international community doesn't do anything about it, seems like a flex to me.

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u/Adventurous_Ad6698 1d ago

It's incompetence. They have even shot down their own warplanes.

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u/Imcoolandimjack 1d ago

You miss the point. The power is shown through the lack of response.

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u/LoSboccacc 1d ago

Response from whom and why?

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u/Imcoolandimjack 1d ago

Response from any country with "power" and because innocent people have been murdered?

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u/LoSboccacc 1d ago edited 1d ago

Why? This is a regional matter, between allies to boot. There's a lot more people murdered daily regularly across political division than this one event and I don't see you clamoring for these. Why do you want unrelated powers with no stakes intervene in this specific case? What makes these innocent people more special than the others?

To me it seem a lot of people try to claim that blue powers have to intervene here just because so when they don't as they shouldn't they can call them weak.

They are responsible to keep their house in order.

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u/Extension_Bat_4945 1d ago

It’s probably incompetence. Wasn’t there an Ukraine drone attack nearby? Sad to see more innocent people die for stupidity

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u/IAmRoot 1d ago

With the degree of negligence required for this to happen it doesn't really matter. It was a civilian airliner at a normal altitude in communication with ATC and squaking civilian transponder codes and coming from a vastly different angle from the drones. Russia decided to jam GPS in the area. They could have closed the airspace but decided not to. If they decided to jam transponder frequencies so their own air defenses couldn't identify the aircraft, that would also be a decision. Even if it was a mistake by the officer who gave the order to fire, the lack of proper communication between the AA battery and higher level command and control/long range search radars is way too negligent to qualify as a mistake by the generals responsible.

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u/kerkyjerky 1d ago

Because there are no consequences

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u/grey_carbon 1d ago

But also undermine international trust in Russia. And trust basically make money. Now planes will be afraid to fly in Russian airspace

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u/ANAL_WORM_INFECTION 1d ago

It'll be an even bigger show of Russian power

Ah yeah because we think so highly of the other terrorists when they do the same thing... We certainly don't think of them as powerful.

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u/Monifufka 1d ago

It doesn't matter what we think. Simple people respect those who show strength and power, not those who are right. So yes, if Russia shoots a plane and then there are no consequences they will appear strong in the eyes of simpletons.