Preliminary investigation confirms Russian missile caused Azerbaijan Airlines crash

[u/DomesticErrorist22]

https://www.euronews.com/2024/12/26/exclusive-preliminary-investigation-confirms-russian-missile-over-grozny-caused-aktau-cras

[u/alwaysfatigued8787]

At what point does doing this shit become an act of war?

[u/defroach84 → u/alwaysfatigued8787]

Against who in this case? Azerbaijan? That would require them to break ties with Russia (good luck with that).

[u/ScoobiusMaximus → u/defroach84]

Azerbaijan is more of a Turkish ally than Russian at this point. 

[u/aimgorge → u/ScoobiusMaximus]

No. 

Azerbaijan is now actively allied with Russia. They help them circumvent sanctions, allow them to build railroads with Iran and help them in their hybrid warfare.

[u/ScoobiusMaximus → u/aimgorge]

They help Iran and Russia dodge sanctions because there is money in it for them. They also have been displacing Russia in selling gas to the EU because there is money in it for them. That's the common thread.

When it comes to a military perspective though they humiliated Russia in Armenia and are more closely allied with Turkey than anyone else. 

If there was more money for Azerbaijan in enforcing sanctions than avoiding them, say if the EU could reasonably threaten to switch to American fuel if Azerbaijan continues helping Russia dodge sanctions, they would just follow the money. 

[u/CrowLikesShiny → u/aimgorge]

Armenia is one of the main countries that helps Russia circumvent sanctions on electronics, alongside Turkey, Serbia, Kyrgyzstan, Ozbekistan etc. Azerbaijan isn't even on the list, you can check New York Times article for it.

All Azerbaijan does is buying miniscule amount of Russian gas(1bcm) for internal consumption, and selling its own gas to other countries instead of using it for internal consumption, and Azerbaijan sends humanitarian aid to Ukraine and openly supports their territorial integrity.

[u/samoyedboi → u/CrowLikesShiny]

-> Ozbekistan

Turk detected

[u/CrowLikesShiny → u/samoyedboi]

I'm not turk nor azeri :)

[u/Mein_Bergkamp → u/defroach84]

They've literally just been at war with a Russian and Iranian ally, are backed by Israel and Turkey militarily and the EU diplomatically, they're not in the Russian sphere of influence anymore.

[u/Blackrock74 → u/Mein_Bergkamp]

this is so totally backwards and the wrong way around.

Armenia - trying to exit CSTO and join EU

AZ - actively strengthening ties with Russia and selling their oil for them

[u/Mein_Bergkamp → u/Blackrock74]

Az actively stepping into the void to replace russian has.

Fighting Armenia who are supported by Iran, Russia's staunchest ally.

AZ supported militarily and politically by NATO Turkey.

AZ is probably Ukraine.

Selling Russian oil isn't pro Russian it's absolute pragmatism to make massive profits for practically zero cost.

[u/Blackrock74 → u/Mein_Bergkamp]

Russia is one of AZ's main trade and military partners. Armenia is barely supported by Iran military wise. Currently Armenia's biggest military importers are France and India.

And if you know anything about what happened in the NK war, you'd see Russia didn't raise a finger to help overall and in fact assisted AZ take over those lands.

[u/Mein_Bergkamp → u/Blackrock74]

Once again, Russia is an ally.

They didn't fulfil their duties while being utterly committed in Ukraine but you can't rewrite history just because Russia were shit.

[u/Blackrock74 → u/Mein_Bergkamp]

https://armenpress.am/en/article/1206671 - once again Armenia does not consider Russia an ally.

https://eurasianet.org/ahead-of-ukraine-invasion-azerbaijan-and-russia-cement-alliance - Russia and AZ signed agreements of alliance two days before the Ukraine invasion. AZ does not give a flying shit about Ukraine, they just see how they can use it for their own profit both through oil, and the court of public opinion when they "go against" Russia.

They had thousands of troops in NK yet they did nothing. Putin was punishing AM for defying him.

Do you really look at both countries and really think that AZ is the better, fairer and good country compared to AM? I mean i guess it depends if your username is just a joke, or really you do side with fascism, authoritarianism, and ethnic cleansing

[u/Mein_Bergkamp → u/Blackrock74]

I get you seem to be Armenian and are deeply fucked off at Russia's actions: Armenia and Russia were allies officially and Russia is allied to Iran that provides weapons to Azerbaijan's enemy Armenia.

AZ are not russian allied, they're not trying to become russian allied, they don't need to become Russian allied.

Not being anti russian == being pro russian.

[u/ghjklzxcv123 → u/Mein_Bergkamp]

Look to guy’s profile lol, says that he is not armenian but hiding that his wife is armenian, why would you hide that you are biased?

[u/Mein_Bergkamp → u/ghjklzxcv123]

Because he's on a weird thing where he's so blinded by Armenia being fucked over that he can't see past the fact he's lost sight of what's being said

[u/Blackrock74 → u/ghjklzxcv123]

I said I’m not Armenian? That’s the same as hiding my wife is? Hmm

[u/Blackrock74 → u/Mein_Bergkamp]

not Armenian, its just so obvious who is the right and who is the wrong party to be supporting.

Yes, Armenia and Russia were allied but that has started to fall apart ever since Armenia became a true democracy after the 2018 revolution, and its not just because RU didn't fulfill their defensive obligations - that was just the red line, and also NK was one of the things that Russia wielded to hold control and leverage over Armenia (just as Stalin had intended when he decided to create the Oblast inside of AZ instead of Armenia) which is now gone.

[u/Mein_Bergkamp → u/Blackrock74]

This has nothing to do with right,wrong or anything other than the simple facts.

You're arguing an entirely different point.

[u/Late-Independent3328 → u/Blackrock74]

Azerbaijan and Turkey are both opportunistic snakes and are definitely doing their own things and not listening to either overlord(US or Russia), so they don't hesitate to backstab or be an "ally" by convenience with anyone to fulfill their own goal.

Good for them though as they are really pragmatic unlike some EU countries who obey blindly to the US just because of their hatred for Russia(like Lithuania just pick at China for no reason) or many africans countries that are too naive and think that China or Russia is their savior here to save them from the "evil west" and establish a new and "more fair" world order

And also Armenia is naive too thinking the EU or NATO gonna save them/can save them while they are landlocked between hostile neighbors and on top of that those 2 neighbor are kinda essential "ally" for them as Turkey is NATO and EU need Azeri gaz

[u/DathranEU → u/[deleted]]

Azerbaijan has not become more close with Russia. They are very pro-Ukrainian. They have distanced themselves further, even changing all the Russian language on buildings to Azerbaijani.

Azerbaijan has issues with Iran too, during the war Iran sided with Armenia.

Allies have always been Turkey and Ukraine.

[u/Frasine → u/[deleted]]

>Azerbaijan is an Islamic country who has close ties with Iran.

Incredible, straight up pulled out from my ass

[u/Mein_Bergkamp → u/[deleted]]

Iran is Armenia's ally, they were literally supplying weapons to attack Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijan is also buying weapons of Israel

[u/defroach84 → u/Mein_Bergkamp]

And yet Azerbaijan is still close with Russia....none of what you said makes that not true.

[u/Widespreaddd → u/defroach84]

Like Turkey, a NATO powerhouse, buying Russian missiles. Shit is fuck3d up.

[u/Mein_Bergkamp → u/defroach84]

Azerbaijan are not 'close' to Russia.

Although if you think that Azerbaijan is close with Iran while they supply weapons to Armenia then maybe we've got different variations of what close means!

[u/nav17 → u/defroach84]

Saying "close" is too generous. Pragmatic relations sure.

[u/Destroyer69-420 → u/[deleted]]

Do you think that Azerbaijan is “close” to Iran just because they are Islamic??? Iran houses more Azeris than Azerbaijan themselves do and Iran supports Armenia just because they are afraid that a strong Azerbaijan will set their eyes on them. They are NOT friends.

[u/user111123467 → u/Destroyer69-420]

That's literaly it. They think that any and all Muslim countries mindlessly support each other.

[u/Ecsta → u/[deleted]]

Not sure where you're getting your info...

Azerbaijan is an Islamic country who has close ties with Iran.

Azerbaijan has closer ties with Israel than it does with Iran.

[u/sergius64 → u/Mein_Bergkamp]

Either way, countries don't get into wars over shot down airliners. The damage from the war would exponentially exceed the damage suffered due to the loss of lives in the shoot down.

[u/Mein_Bergkamp → u/sergius64]

True but the idea that Azerbaijan won't break ties with Russia to at least some extent is not far fetched

[u/aimgorge → u/Mein_Bergkamp]

Russian ally? Armenia? Russia dropped Armenia and allied with Azerbaijan. Allows them to have a land bridge with Iran where they can build a railway for weapons transfers. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astara%E2%80%93Rasht%E2%80%93Qazvin_railway

[u/Mein_Bergkamp → u/aimgorge]

Yes, ally.

Hence the russian peacekeepers and the membership of the CSTO.

Armenia discovering Russia not being able to help doesn't change the simple fact.

Armenia moving to be at least neutral on Russia doesn't automatically mean AZ becomes more pro Russian.

[u/Suspicious_Writer156 → u/defroach84]

If you think Russia is good friends with Azerbaijan.... You don't know basic geopolitics.

Which isn't a bad thing- but you shouldn't comment lol