Russia terrorizes Ukraine with mass missile, drone attack on Christmas morning Russia/Ukraine

https://kyivindependent.com/russia-terrorizes-ukraine-with-mass-missile-drone-attack-on-christmas-morning/

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It is not putin, it is russians.

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u/Morningfluid 3d ago

It's both Putin and Russians.

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u/Howling_Squirrel 3d ago

It is only ruzzians. With Putin or without - ruzzians are the same. Prior to Putin they were doing exactly the same.

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u/DeQQster 3d ago

To be fair, there were a few years under Gorbatschow where they seemed rather friendly. But they once again have shown their true face

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u/Bovvser2001 3d ago

Yes, they only seemed friendly. gorbachev still massacred protesters in Kazakhstan, sent tanks on the protesters in Georgia, azerbaijan and Lithuania, and killed the Ukrainian activist Vasyl Stus in a soviet camp.

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u/AdLanky7413 3d ago

The US also " seems" friendly until you look at how many wars they've started and the mass murders of innocent civilians.

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u/Howling_Squirrel 3d ago

Gorbachev was a USSR ruler for 6 years: 1985-1991.

He inherited afghan war (1979) and he finished it only in 1989, after 4 years of siting in a chair.

But he finished it not because he is a good guy, but because ussr at that time collected a lot of internal issues and Chornobyl disaster made it even worse, so the Gorbachev had to end expensive afghan war.

So, no, even with Gorbachev ruzzians weren’t nice guys.

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u/hughk 3d ago

He didn't have much power. The military/security people were running things in practice and making a disaster of the economy. It wasn't until Chernobyl, KL007 and Matthias Rust that he was able to show the military/security factions were ultimately incompetent and dangerously so. Pl

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u/hughk 3d ago

In Russia the military and security people are generally the worst. They destroyed the USSR preventing an orderly transition to the CIS with their putsch against Gorbachev. Under Yeltsin, they largely lost power and the country prospered. When Putin got into power, he reversed that and encouraged nationalist tendencies. When the press stopped backing him, he banned it. He even banned a puppet show as it satirised him and the government.

Some democrats continued to complain and they were imprisoned/murdered. Other Russians learned to shut up.

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u/WafflePartyOrgy 3d ago edited 3d ago

Clearly more Russians need to die in this thing on Russian soil for them to understand there's a war going on that Putin elected to start and that he really couldn't care less how many Russians die to serve his political ambitions.

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u/Trixter87 3d ago

Agree with this. I’m from the US and was glad Biden approved striking targets inside Russia. They aren’t going to nuke anyone, they just use the threat as leverage. If they nuke Ukraine, France nukes them. WW3 starts, Russia no longer exists.

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u/v4n20uver 3d ago

If anyone nukes anyone we all will no longer exist, it won’t stop as a 1 or 2 back and forth. Everyone will launch all they got and most of us will die from hunger, thirst or another nuclear related problem. Maybe let’s not advocate for the literal nuclear option.

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u/PervertedPope 3d ago

Which is exactly why they're never going to use them but will continue hoping the masses live in fear of it.

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u/Vladimir_Putting 3d ago

Millions of Russians fled their own country trying to escape this madman and his endless suffering.

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u/Howling_Squirrel 3d ago

Million ruzzians are wounded or killed already. Millions are killing Ukrainians right now. Millions are directly supports army by manufacturing ammo and supplies. Millions are silently supports their czar.

And you are talking about cowards who flew from the country they have build.

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u/Dick_Lazer 3d ago

I would think the leader is more to blame than the cannon fodder.

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u/Howling_Squirrel 3d ago

Ruzzians laders have changed over the decades. Ruzzians - no. In 1990s russian were bombing Chechnya, killing innocent and stealing toilets. Everything the same, what they are doing right now in Ukraine. Putin wasn’t in government back than. But, surprisingly, ruzzians were ruzzians.

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u/m4lk13 3d ago

I guess by now we’d have plenty of toilets, but nooo, here we go again stealing toilets from the famously rich land of Ukraine

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u/mifuncheg 3d ago

Politicians do wars not people. People don't have a desire nor means to start a war. In any country be it USA, North Korea or Russia.

First chechen war was hugely and openly hated by people since it wasn't forbidden nor prosecuted and government was not able to produce any propaganda. Government was trashed because of it by literally everyone soldiers included.

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u/Howling_Squirrel 3d ago

Imaging Estonian president declares war on Finland. Or Germany on France. Or Ukraine on Moldova. On the very next day these governments would be overthrown by people.

But only on ruzzia people are supporting the war and their government.

It is not government to blame. It is people.

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u/Saint-just04 3d ago

Mate, Germany did exactly that a few decades ago. Are Germans just as rotten as “ruzzians”?

And don’t make the argument that it’s a different country since you started the argument by saying that russians have always done this shit.

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u/Howling_Squirrel 3d ago

Germans had no access to the truth back then. Ruzzians are watching online how they are wiping out Ukrainian cities with bombs and ask for more.

Do you feel the difference?

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u/Saint-just04 3d ago

The truth lmfao. Yea, i’m sure there’s no propaganda in Russia currently. It’s just that easy to go online and find “the truth”.

The truth is a fleeting concept even in America or Western Europe. See the rise of legally declared nazi party in Germany currently. And similar parties across Europe. Don’t even get me started on republican party.

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u/Firefret420 3d ago edited 3d ago

The problem is not even the propaganda itself, but obfuscation of what is happening. People are either supporting of war (propaganda junkies), apathetic (and by being apathetic and having no active interest in the news they slowly accept the propaganda screaming at them from TV they sometimes leave turned on, or a billboard they drove by, little by little. Not saying they become as fanatical, but their opinion becomes ”eh, i don’t care, im out of politics but if we are fighting them, there’s a reason, i guess”. If the person has no interest, they don’t actively seek out information, being ”passively” exposed to propaganda that is in itself proactive and intrusive), and, uhm, ”opposition” news sources that mostly tell their readers about woes of russian citizens, not about the details of the war here. To see what’s happening one has to proactively be interested in it, and there is soo few of such people.

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u/Saint-just04 3d ago

Very well put.

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u/Firefret420 3d ago edited 3d ago

Mate, germans had Kollektivschuld (collective guilt) and Reeducation policies enforced by allies that allowed people to wake the fuck up. Germans didn’t reform purely because of the goodness of their heart. The thing is, russia isn’t going to have any of that, its a nuclear country so no chance of intervention. Leader isn’t the (only) problem, if you remove the leader and leave the people alone (in countries like russia and nazi germany), they will remain brainwashed wanting more of the same. With the death of putin their system of beliefs and values isn’t going to change magically overnight (as we’ve seen many times with russia), because people there have been conditioned all their lives in one way or another (not that being brainwashed by propaganda still absolves someone).

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u/mifuncheg 3d ago edited 3d ago

Why would you compare these countries with an authoritarian one? People have no say in anything russian government do. Literally you cant even publicly criticise some policies in Russia anymore or you go straight to jail for 5-7 years. Politicians do as they please. Those who do not obey would be forced to or be thrown in jail.

Why would you even need to spend enormous amount of resources to huge repressive apparatus, surveillance, propaganda, censorship etc if people not only like all of wrongdoings but force government to do it in a first place? It makes no sense at all.

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u/Howling_Squirrel 3d ago

Only thing you missing is the fact that ruzzians lives by war and death, it is in their culture and history. They have been starting wars all their shitty existence and have been trying to kill Ukraine for centuries.

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u/mifuncheg 3d ago

It is simply not true. It is practically impossible to live by war and death. Polititians were starting wars not russians. And noone have been trying to kill Ukraine for centuries especially Russia.

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u/Howling_Squirrel 3d ago

You are either not very smart or is a ruzzian.

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u/mifuncheg 3d ago

Both.

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u/b14ck_jackal 3d ago

That means you haven't met enough Russians. Just pick a book and read a bit about them.

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u/stealthlysprockets 3d ago

There is plenty of blame to go around

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u/Little-Order-3142 3d ago

It's like saying that "it was not Bush the dickhead who bombed half of middle east, it was Americans". Yeah, some of them agreed, but it's difficult to generalize.

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u/Suitable_Instance753 3d ago

Yep came here to say this. This is not an act of cruelty from a single man. This is the attitude of an entire nation.

"If you do not submit to us as a superior people, we feel completely justified to make your life hell."

This attitude pervades the Russian psyche, they see themselves as a superpower who is entitled to the supplication of their neighbors.

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u/YourLocalPotDealer 3d ago

Didn’t Zelensky reject a Christmas ceasefire proposal? Oh yeah, but I guess this is a huge echo chamber full of ignorant racist folks

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u/Howling_Squirrel 3d ago

Another one ruzzian pretends to be smart and blames Ukraine for what is going on.

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u/YourLocalPotDealer 3d ago

Everybody knows he denied the ceasefire you can plug your ears and sing lalala all you want