r/woahthatsinteresting • u/Efficient_Let216 • 22d ago
List of natural disasters and gravitational pull
Sun-earth-Jupiter alignment and natural calamities that follow.
For Dec 2024, there was a 7.0 earthquake in California and a Tsunami warning in SF.
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u/Prestigious_Metal562 22d ago
Oh my god these disasters are somehow causing Jupiter to align with the Earth and Sun.
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u/johnharvardwardog 22d ago edited 22d ago
There was a tsunami warning off of North California in the past day or so… it might have been today but I’ve been busy with other news stories.
Edit: Correction form North Carolina to North California, and now my post is a partial echo of OP.
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u/AdventurousPlace7216 22d ago
Northern California*
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u/johnharvardwardog 22d ago
Thank you.
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u/AdventurousPlace7216 22d ago
I live on an island in SC so when I saw that my first thought was awww shiiiiiiiiiit. Ya scared me for a sec 😅
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u/RIPdon_sutton 22d ago
Why's it gotta be on Saturday? Lotta conference championships being played that day. How am I gonna watch the SEC title game if my WiFi is out due to Jupiter? Can't we send a nuke to Jupiter to to change its path so that I can watch the game?
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u/Efficient_Let216 22d ago
Sure why not! A nuke won’t make any difference. You don’t know how large it is.
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u/fnording 22d ago edited 21d ago
Why not? Its effect on the orbit of earth is actually measurable.
Edit: according to BBC Science Forum “Earth’s tides are dominated by the combined effect of the Sun and the Moon’s gravitational pull. But the other planets, since they have a gravitational pull of their own, also have a small effect on the tides. Venus is the strongest because it happens to come closest to Earth.”
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u/notcomplainingmuch 22d ago
A measurable effect on Earth's orbit does not mean it is in any way significant in terms of tides.
The gravitational field of the Moon has a much bigger effect, the intensity depending on its location relative to Earth and the sun.
There are already sizeable local tidal waves caused by the moon. Tides caused by Jupiter are barely noticeable in comparison.
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u/fnording 22d ago
There is still an effect. Just because there are other bodies who effect us more doesn’t negate the fact that Jupiter has a measurable effect. All variables need accounted for in a Newtonian system in order to have an accurate measurement. This includes Jupiters effect, in this instance.
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u/Efficient_Let216 22d ago
Agree. I’ve watched Neil Tyson way too much and you can hear this exact theory with earth bulging and contracting with the pull on opposite directions. It’s obviously minimal but it does affect.
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u/notcomplainingmuch 22d ago
Your hypothesis is still wrong, considering all the variables. Jupiter does not cause earthquakes or tsunamis. It does have a slight effect on Earth's orbit around the sun. Wishing it don't make it true.
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u/fnording 22d ago
So you’re saying that Jupiter can affect the orbit of Earth but has no effect on the tides. GOTCHA
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u/SpaceNerd005 22d ago
Having and effect on orbit makes a lot more sense than having an effect on the tides. The formula for gravitational attraction is F=GMm/r2. It is mass dependent.
The earth is much much much more massive than the oceans, and the distance between the oceans and the earths core is much much closer than that of jupiters. If you plug the numbers in you will see for yourself that the effect is minimal.
It would make less sense for the tides to have any noticeable effect via Jupiter in opposition, as even at its closest approach it would be insignificant.
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u/notcomplainingmuch 22d ago
Thoughts may form in your brain, but they are not necessarily coherent. Gotcha.
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u/fnording 22d ago
You’re projecting your reading comprehension skills onto other’s prose. What you should do is try reading more often. Pick up a book and stop skipping over words.
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u/notcomplainingmuch 22d ago
I'd suggest reading a basic course in physics first, then move on to other non-fiction. Get a fucking grip on reality.
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u/PalicoJoe 22d ago
Hey, this is how we further science! By breaking bounds and coming up with theories no matter how dumb they sound. Like when the tectonic plate theory was first brought up everyone laughed at her but as time went on and more research was done it was found to be true. Of course it doesn’t mean Jupiter’s pull on tides is true, but it does mean that we should at least have an open mind and do research and testing. Also if it has been documented to effect the orbit of earth even if small there is no way of telling how exactly that might effect earth it self as it’s not the same kind of pull a smaller more closer object has.
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u/fnording 22d ago
Not a “hypothesis” when it is proven.
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u/notcomplainingmuch 22d ago
What part of your whackadoodle fantasy is proven regarding Jupiter causing natural disasters on Earth?
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u/fnording 22d ago
All variables need to be accounted for. Just because the measurement is small doesn’t mean that the measurement is useless.
You’re dismissing something provable.
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u/fnording 22d ago
Woah there pal. I wasn’t downvoting you. I was stating clearly two two things that you were ignoring.
1) Jupiter has a measurable effect.
2) all measurable effects by definition have an effect.
You’re just upset and projecting it into this thread and lashing out. This has nothing to do with ASTROLOGY, that was your conclusion that you jumped to.
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u/fnording 22d ago
You’re the one denying basic physics and you’re telling me to learn to think. The nerve.
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u/fnording 22d ago
Quantum theory isn’t your cup of tea is it. Try looking into chaos theory and its implications. It covers the basics of your premise.
A quarter in the ocean isn’t as strong of a force as Jupiters effect on our tides. A quarter literally changes the whole dynamic within its sphere of influence. But you chose to negate the smaller of the variables for some reason.
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u/fnording 22d ago
I didn’t do any calculations. You’re clearly upset. Try taking deep breaths. In your nose and out your mouth.
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u/PalicoJoe 22d ago
Hey, this is how we further science! By breaking bounds and coming up with theories no matter how dumb they sound. Like when the tectonic plate theory was first brought up everyone laughed at her but as time went on and more research was done it was found to be true. Of course it doesn’t mean Jupiter’s pull on tides is true, but it does mean that we should at least have an open mind and do research and testing.
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u/fnording 22d ago
Then I’m sure you could actually site sources instead of trite cliches.
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u/fnording 22d ago
This has nothing to do with astrology and more to do with basic Newtonian physics coupled with chaos theory. But you’re not intelligent enough to identify that.
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u/PalicoJoe 22d ago
Well I’ll be honest I’ve done absolutely no research on this lol but so far I haven’t seen you pull a single source for all this disagreeing so that’s where my side on doing no research has come from
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u/fnording 22d ago
I’ve tried explaining to that person how Chaos theory covers the implications of variables in a closed system and he disregarded my comment as mumbo jumbo without even trying to understand. We are not dealing with an honest intellectual. We’re dealing with someone who wants to disprove this because it’s too “Astrological” as they put it.
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u/PalicoJoe 22d ago
lol ik sometimes it’s fun to challenge myself, it makes me think even if the other party is getting nothing out of what I’m saying. Also I have nothing to do and arguing with dense people on reddit is fun.
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u/SpaceNerd005 22d ago
The effects of Jupiter are not strong enough to influence the tides or cause any measurable difference to systems on earth. Its effect of the orbit of the earth is minute, and when it is on the opposite side of the sun is going to have no measurable effect to any process happening here on the surface.
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u/fnording 22d ago
There is a measurable effect that Jupiter has on the earth as a whole. Therefore, there is a measurable effect on the tides. It’s a closed system.
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u/SpaceNerd005 22d ago
Semantics. The effect is insignificant
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u/fnording 22d ago
This isn’t “semantics” this is basic physics coupled with chaos theory. It’s quite simple.
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u/PalicoJoe 22d ago
Look im not saying it’s astrology ik that shits made up. But if it has been recorded that Jupiter has effected the orbit of earth that means its gravity does touch earth and more research and testing and models need to be done to figure out how exactly it interacts with earth. So yes if you think this is a bs theory then provide evidence as to why it’s bs and not true.
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u/SpaceNerd005 22d ago
At its closest approach Jupiter is going to have a basically unobservable effect. At its furthest approach it’s basically going to be nothing at all. You could ask chat gpt to generate a list of natural disasters for any unrelated serious of events and get an output
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u/fnording 22d ago
Small measurements are not insignificant. Small variables in the initial conditions of any closed system cause drastic changes in the end outcome.
This is the basic premise of Chaos Theory, a branch of mathematics that explains how initial conditions are important to understanding how vastly different outcome can come from a system with small changes in variables.
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u/SpaceNerd005 22d ago
It doesn’t matter. The implication of events and planetary alignment is that they are immediately related. In the timescale we are talking about Jupiter’s gravitational field doesn’t have enough time to compound into anything.
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u/fnording 22d ago
That’s where you’re wrong. Please cite your sources like I have.
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u/SpaceNerd005 22d ago
What do you consider a significant effect? You also didn’t cite any sources
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u/fnording 22d ago
I cited mathematics and explained its basic implications and how it covers small variables.
A small effect in the initial conditions of a system cause drastic changes in the outcome. It’s really quite simple.
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u/SpaceNerd005 22d ago
That’s not how citations work😭
“I cite orbital mechanics here so therefore you’re wrong” is not an argument. The “theory” youre “citing” also would consider the length of time it takes for things to evolve. If you’re going to cite something you need to actually provide something that supports your argument.
A: The planet Jupiter has a density of 1.36 gm/cm3 and in Earth’s sky at closest approach has an angular diameter of 0.227 milliradians. Venus has a density of 5.24 gm/cm3 and a closest-approach angular diameter of 0.292 milliradians. The maximum tidal influence of Venus is .0053% of that of the Moon and the maximum influence of Jupiter is .0020%, effects on Earth’s tides so small as to be essentially unobservable.
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u/fnording 22d ago
You’re ignoring a branch of mathematics. Your citation proves my point. There is a measurable effect on the tides from Jupiter.
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u/SpaceNerd005 22d ago
You can calculate it sure…. But please tell me how you’re going to measure the tides raising a fraction of a milliliter when Jupiter is at its CLOSEST POINT. That is a completely insignificant effect on anything when local effects are dominating. You can say chaos theory a million times, you can’t demonstrate anything that supports it evolving into anything.
This whole thread is when Jupiter is the farthest point from earth. So the effect is smaller
I am not ignoring a branch of math, you can’t just say “because math” and then say that’s proof.
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u/fnording 22d ago
That branch of mathematics proves my point.
You clearly just don’t understand it. Google is your friend.
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u/Dazzling_Grass_7531 21d ago
You sound like ChatGPT. Not every closed system has the property that small changes cause drastic changes in end outcome. A sealed pressurized container of sterilized water could be argued to be a closed system. Nothing much will happen in that system if you adjust the starting temperature or volume of water. Those are both small changes that do not cause drastic changes in end outcome.
You could argue that throwing a rock into the ocean is a small change on Earth. If we assume that small changes cause catastrophes, how can you point to Jupiter’s minimal gravitational influence and say that caused the disaster and that it wasn’t just caused by Billy breaking a stick in his backyard?
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u/fnording 21d ago edited 21d ago
You didn’t even bother to read my comments. You sound like an imbecile.
Billy breaking a stick in his back yard will certainly have an effect within its sphere of influence.
In this instance, the tides are well within Jupiter’s sphere of influence.
Judging by your comment history, you’re either a troll or severely dishonest.
According to BBC Science Forum. “Earth’s tides are dominated by the combined effect of the Sun and the Moon’s gravitational pull. But the other planets, since they have a gravitational pull of their own, also have a small effect on the tides. Venus is the strongest because it happens to come closest to Earth.”
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u/fnording 21d ago
Why do you think everything is ChatGPT? You tried to say I was ChatGPT. You may not have the most stable of mental faculties if you are prone to believing that everything is AI.
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u/Efficient_Let216 22d ago
I asked related events around this alignment and the list is big. Not sure if they’re related but if Jupiter affects the trajectory of earth, causing events on earth are very much possible.
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u/SpaceNerd005 22d ago
The effect is insignificant. The moon is orders of magnitude more influential.
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u/fnording 21d ago
Just because something is “more influential” doesn’t negate the fact that Jupiter is also influential.
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u/SpaceNerd005 21d ago
Again this is just semantics. From any sort of practical sense it is not influencing the systems here on Earth wrt to natural disasters.
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u/fnording 21d ago
You’re clearly butthurt that you were wrong and trying to reduce mathematics to “semantics”
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u/SpaceNerd005 21d ago
Show me the math then. You have not provided any mathematics despite being the one to bring up citations. If I sneeze into a tornado, I would not say my sneeze had a measurable effect on the destruction of a house.
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u/JustBennyLenny 18d ago
I see no 1953 North Sea Floods , count for tons of deaths entire coast line was vaporated.
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u/Efficient_Let216 21d ago
This was a blanket search for alignment AND if there were disasters around that time. I just thought it was interesting. I don’t have any proof.
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u/Audacious8000 21d ago
Seems dubious at best. Many of the disasters listed are floods, which take days to occur. Did the floods start on the day of the alignment or were they already occurring when the alignment occurred? Same with wildfires. The conditions that cause wildfires are months in the making, and once the fires start it could be weeks before the wildfire is extenguised. How does that timeframe relate to the planetary alignment?
It's kinda like those people who think because they dreamed of a plane crash, and one happened the next day, they're somehow psychic. Forgetting that every night 8 billion people fall asleep. How many billions have dreams; how many of those dreams are of a plane crash? Even if it's only one-thousandth of one percent, that would be 80,000 people dreaming of plane crashes every single night.
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u/finchdude 21d ago
That's why we need science to avoid exactly this kind of bias
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u/Efficient_Let216 21d ago
Science is based on experiments/observations and hypotheses. Hence the post. Why are people so pessimistic? We as humans are still learning things either about Earth, oceans or millions of things we still didn’t know about. Can everyone plz keep an open mind? This post was meant to be an observation. It’s not conclusive.
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u/finchdude 20d ago
This has nothing to do with pessimism. It has to do with healthy critical thinking and questioning instead of taking everything for granted. This observation suggests that the gravitational pull has a causal effect on natural disasters, which it does not just because it is correlated. Or are you ok with the statement that every time there is a full moon some one brushed their teeth is any more suggestive on the occurrence of people brushing teeth? Of course not so please spare me with this vague nonsense that we don't know everything ergo this might have an effect argument. It does not which is already certain because of the physical limits of this universe which you can calculate yourself.
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u/Left_Dot60 22d ago
There are natural calamities near every day on earth. This post just removes all of the context that doesn’t compliment the planetary alignment point. The top 5 largest earthquakes in the 21st century didn’t align with this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_21st-century_earthquakes
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u/Efficient_Let216 21d ago
Makes sense. I thought this was interesting so shared. There may or may not be any correlation.
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u/Rollingforest757 22d ago
This just proves that there are disasters every day somewhere in the world.