r/tories • u/BuenoSatoshi Catholic Social Teaching • 14d ago
Germany attack: one dead and 80 injured as car ploughs into Christmas market News
https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/germany-attack-several-injuries-as-car-ploughs-into-christmas-market-j5krpxd0z14
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u/CountLippe 👑 Monarchist 🇬🇧Unionist 14d ago
This has been a choice, a deliberate, made by successive governments. One typically made without consent. The average person shouldn't be at risk because of their choices. Our culture is not equipped to deal with radicalisation of people from any walk of life.
The 50-Year-Old Saudi National who drove his Car into a Christmas Market tonight in the German City of Magdeburg, in an apparent Terrorist Attack, had been living in Germany since 2006 and was a Doctor at a Hospital in Saxony-Anhalt. He was not previously known to any German Law Enforcement as an Islamic Extremist.
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u/ConfusedQuarks Verified Conservative 14d ago
It's insane how the politicians in Europe keep waving the age old refugee conventions in front of us and refuse to stop this travesty in spite of people repeatedly making it clear that they don't want to take any more refugees.
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u/TeemuVanBasten 14d ago
Refugees should be dealt with within the continent. That would mean taking from Ukraine, and Kosovo when it happened, and if Estonia was invaded tomorrow then from them, etc, but Syrians need to be taken by Saudi/Iran/UAE etc. Africans by Egypt, South Africa, Morocco, and so on and so forth.
The global system needs to be revised and redrawn. Perhaps with a financial contribution/reward to those countries who do take refugees. Which is what foreign aid budgets can be used for. E.g. if South Africa takes a lot of African refugees, give them a big chunk of the foreign aid budget. If a country doesn't take regional refugees, give them nothing.
Everything else should be to the complete discretion of the state government. That would probably mean we would feel compelled to take some Afghans who helped British forces (like we did).
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u/Gatecrasher1234 Verified Conservative 13d ago
One thing I have never understood is that if I was a refugee (British born and bred), I would be looking a Europe or North America. Somewhere with a similar culture and mindset.
Not somewhere with different culture, religion, etc
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u/Maleficent_Resolve44 13d ago
Most arabs agree with you even though most of the countries with a similar mindset to them aren't wealthy, that's why the countries with the most Syrian/Palestinian/Iraqi refugees aren't European but they're instead Lebanon/Turkey/Jordan etc.
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u/Ray90097 13d ago
Not a refugee but an immigrant in germany I would say that I would have never left my country if wanted to follow my culture.i wanted something new and better coming from an indian immigrant in germany myself
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u/Gatecrasher1234 Verified Conservative 12d ago
Exactly.
You have integrated and embraced the culture of your adopted country.
I like the British culture and would look for something similar if I was forced to move.
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u/Maleficent_Resolve44 13d ago edited 13d ago
What do refugee conventions have to do with a 50yr old male doctor from Saudi Arabia. There is no war there, it's a rich place. This is a very weird attack.
Edit: New info says the perpetrator was a vocal critic of Islam and liked the AfD.
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u/gingefromwoods 13d ago
If you’re a fighting age male you shouldn’t be allowed to claim refugee status. Go pick a side and fight to make your country better.
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u/Gatecrasher1234 Verified Conservative 13d ago
When will those in power in the West going to understand there are a lot of people in the world who hate us.
I'm old and will be dead in 20 years. I really fear for the future of the younger generations. Unfortunately our compassion is being used against us.
This will enforce the AfD's position. I am sad to say it, but perhaps it is what is needed.
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u/Maleficent_Resolve44 13d ago
This will probably enforce AfD's position yes but not rightly I'd say when the perpetrator liked the AfD and agreed with their anti-islam rhetoric.
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u/Dunkelzahn2072 Reform 13d ago
Humans can do a thing called "lying".
Revealed vs stated preference.
It walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, murders children like a duck but claims to be a goat.
It's a duck.
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u/Gatecrasher1234 Verified Conservative 13d ago
"when the perpetrator liked the AfD and agreed with their anti-islam rhetoric."
I'm finding that hard to believe. Why would he then pick a Christmas market, synonymous with a Christian festival.
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u/Maleficent_Resolve44 13d ago
There isn't much logic in terror attacks. Why would a Muslim grow up believing murder is evil and forbidden then murder a group of kids. It doesn't make sense but that's basically what the ISIS attacks were. They're done by people who've just lost it. This particular man's Twitter is essentially the Arabic version of any European far right supporter. He constantly talked about the evil of Islam and immigrants it's embarrassing.
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u/rainymoods11 13d ago
He's a Muslim. Ignore the drones - they love to defend Islam for some reason. Attacking on Christian holidays is common for extremist Muslims.
https://x.com/MaralSalmassi/status/1870413236996092217
https://x.com/AliCologne/status/1870550073089909211?t=2C6OFwT9GRwMcg69r0CBOw
What's embarrassing is defending a religion that has had 40k terrorist attacks since 9/11. But you can continue to wear your ignorance like a badge.
"(unless you indeed fear a danger from them) meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda' said, "We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them." Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, "The Tuqyah is allowed until the Day of Resurrection." Allah said,"
Muslims are allowed to lie in their religion. Do you see the correlation?
وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللَّهُ نَفْسَهُ"
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u/rainymoods11 13d ago
Lmao, what are you smoking? The "prophet" of Islam killed hundreds. Have you ever heard of apostasy laws or honor killings?
"The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him."
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u/rainymoods11 13d ago
He's a Muslim. Ignore the drones - they love to defend Islam for some reason. Attacking on Christian holidays is common for extremist Muslims.
https://x.com/MaralSalmassi/status/1870413236996092217
https://x.com/AliCologne/status/1870550073089909211?t=2C6OFwT9GRwMcg69r0CBOw
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u/Jattack33 Red Tory 14d ago
We don’t have to live like this, this is happening because those who have been running Western countries for decades hate us and will continue their mass immigration experiment no matter how many Europeans die
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u/RagingMassif 14d ago
can I suggest the Saudi Dr news is too early, suspiciously early. I wouldn't trust it.
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u/VindicoAtrum 13d ago
This is how you get the AfD.
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u/Cheap_Rain_4130 14d ago
The politicians should be held accountable. Bringing mass migration in to falsify a country's gdp is treason.
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u/yojifer680 14d ago
Never forget Merkel invited them in. She was Gernany's equivalent of the fake conservatives. Claimed to be right-wing and then flooded the country with Islamic terrorists and sex offenders.
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u/Office_Drone_ Verified Conservative 13d ago
And remember, this is just the attack you’ve heard about. Germany suffers attacks not too dissimilar to this as well as other serious migrant crime almost daily.
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u/Maleficent_Resolve44 13d ago
More up to date source has the 50yr old Saudi perpetrator being an islamophobic doctor who's been sharing his anti Islam views online for years. Can't blame it on Islam or refugees then but it's still a very sad thing for those families.
https://www.euronews.com/2024/12/21/who-is-the-suspect-behind-magdeburg-christmas-market-attack
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u/irish-riviera 12d ago
"car ploughs into Christmas market"
Wow the media cannot get any worse. An insane person whos values are not compatible with the US,UK,GER, or any other Western countries killed these poor people with his car.
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u/BuenoSatoshi Catholic Social Teaching 14d ago
One can only assume this was a person “”Born in Germany”” who really objected to the economic inflation the country has undergone.
/s
Horrifying CCTV footage already being shared online:
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1870189548547821933
The Times is a notoriously slow source in the internet age so I’ll gladly update this thread if there’s reason to.
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u/theartfooldodger American Conservative 🇺🇸 14d ago
The "car" ploughed into a Christmas market? All on its own eh?
Interesting word choice.
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u/Apple2727 Verified Conservative 14d ago
The religion of peace, was it?
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u/smd1815 Verified Conservative 13d ago
Please stop noticing patterns, you racist.
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u/Effective-Map5327 13d ago
It's not racism. Look at statistic and you will find your answers. It clearly obvious that people which not coming from western world can hardly adopt.
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u/PoliticsNerd76 Former Member, Current Hater 14d ago
I remember when I lived in York, and the locals seething when barriers were installed around the pedestrianised city centre where the Xmas market lives.
It’s one of them where all you can really do is prepare and try and reduce the risk of it happening, but at the end of the day, be it XMas markets, or kids on a school run, if people want to do this, you can’t really stop them unless the security services catch it.
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u/TeemuVanBasten 14d ago
Well, you could stop letting people in which fit the profile of the typical perpetrator of this type of crime, and deport some of the others, that is also a form of prevention.
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u/Maleficent_Resolve44 13d ago edited 13d ago
That's the odd thing isn't it. Usually it's a young male from war-torn Syria, Iraq, lybia etc whose parents were refugees or he was a refugee and then proceeded to get radicalised on the internet.
There's very little information out already but everything points to the exact opposite of the cliche perpetrator. It's a 50 year old male which is odd, he's from wealthy Saudi Arabia and he's been a doctor in Germany for almost 20yrs. He's got nothing to do with refugees. So these preventative measures would've probably resulted in the same outcome. He's probably mentally ill and I doubt it's by isis or whatever.
Edit: I've read in other places he was an anti-islamist and an AfD voter. Strangest attack I've read about ever but it can't be blamed on Islam or refugees haha.
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u/mr-no-life Verified Conservative 14d ago
Ironically York is nowhere near “enriched” enough to have any real risk of that happening. The terrorists have won, they have instilled terror.
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u/PoliticsNerd76 Former Member, Current Hater 14d ago edited 13d ago
That’s built on an assumption that terrorists wouldn’t travel to commit the act… The reality is, there’s nothing stopping anyone getting a train to anywhere, renting a heavy car, and doing this.
Like, anyone could go an book a holiday to Berlin, hire a car there, and do this… or do it in Toronto, or in Warsaw, or in Stoke, or in Austin. The 9/11 hijackers were not invited into America.
The reality is that there’s 8b people on earth, even with low immigration, we have open borders for tourists, and any one of them could do this. That’s just reality.
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u/vanbasten007 14d ago
What always gets me is how the western media and authorities refuse to name suspects' names in situations like this one.
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u/Maleficent_Resolve44 13d ago
Imagine they named the suspect right away and it turns out to be Taleb Ali. Some angry ignorant members of the public might take this as validation of their xenophobic hate and go about attacking some Muslims in the street.
Later on when the truth surfaces that the perpetrator hated Islam and was an AfD supporter, loads of Muslims already fear for their safety and have been attacked. The mark Twain quote is very fitting for these cases. This is why they don't release the names straight away.
https://www.euronews.com/2024/12/21/who-is-the-suspect-behind-magdeburg-christmas-market-attack
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u/rainymoods11 12d ago
He's a Muslim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvxny0COzuQ
"No.. We will return Hamas to Gaza and if you like we can Bring Hamas to your home so you can taste it." - Taleb, the killer, 2023
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u/Gatecrasher1234 Verified Conservative 13d ago
Plenty of stuff on X saying different - although may not be true
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u/TeemuVanBasten 14d ago
Don't worry, it will be the religion of peace aain, just attacking the religion of, erm, Santa.
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u/Maleficent_Resolve44 13d ago edited 13d ago
The perpetrator was a vocal critic of Islam and hated the religion. Read Euronews' most recent article on this. This is why we don't jump to conclusions.
https://www.euronews.com/2024/12/21/who-is-the-suspect-behind-magdeburg-christmas-market-attack
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u/[deleted] 14d ago
From the German title Die Welt:
Roughly translated:
How many times does this have to happen? It never used to be necessary for Christmas markets to be protected by armed police and concrete barriers. And even that doesn't work, apparently.